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@DumbMike...What is Zelensky's First Language?

Started by sharkbok14 REPLIES699 VIEWS· 12 May 2025, 03:46
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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
12 May 2025, 03:46
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12 May 2025, 03:46#1

Russian...

He grew up as a native Russian speaker in Kryvyi Rih, a city in the Dnipropetrovsk region of Ukraine, where Russian is commonly spoken.


Says a lot about your take that Russian speakers in Ukraine want to become part of Russia..

Or that Zelensky was targeting Russian speakers with discrimination


Zelensky also happens to be a Jew.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
12 May 2025, 04:07
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12 May 2025, 04:07#2

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Yes, Russia has sought to alter Crimea's demographics by importing Russian citizens after its seizure in 2014. This includes both military personnel and civilians, aiming to change the peninsula's population composition. Simultaneously, many ethnic Ukrainians, Crimean Tatars, and other minorities have left Crimea for mainland Ukraine.



Elaboration:

  1. Population Shift:
  2. The Kremlin has actively tried to increase the number of Russian citizens in Crimea, which has contributed to a substantial shift in the peninsula's demographic makeup.


Military Presence:

A significant part of the influx of Russian citizens includes military personnel, as Russia has bolstered its military presence in Crimea.



Internal Displacement:

The annexation of Crimea also led to the displacement of many ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars to mainland Ukraine.



Ethnic Changes:

The overall effect of these population transfers has been a net increase in the proportion of ethnic Russians in Crimea, potentially surpassing their pre-annexation share of the population.



Colonization Strategy:

Some scholars have drawn parallels between this population transfer and the Russian Empire's colonization strategy, where Slavs were resettled to transform the peninsula into a territory dominated by Russian language, culture, and identity.



  1. Crimea: Six years after illegal annexation - Brookings Institution
  2. 17 Mar 2020 — Crimea Today and Looking Forward. Crimea has undergone significant changes over the past six years. A large number of e...
  3. Brookings Institution

Putin's unpunished Crimean crime set the stage for Russia's ...

22 Feb 2024 — Following the Crimean model, he once again used Russian troops and Kremlin agents posing as local militias. ... Meanwhi...

Atlantic Council


Russia’s Recolonization of Crimea | Current History

21 Sept 2020 — Coupled with the internal displacement of some tens of thousands of Crimeans to mainland Ukraine (the total number is ...

University of California Press



https://online.ucpress.edu/currenthistory/article/119/819/275/111864/Russia-s-Recolonization-of-Crimea

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
12 May 2025, 04:12
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12 May 2025, 04:12#3

ouMaaik, vat note asb., cos its crystal clear that you don't know shit from sugar.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2025, 06:51
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12 May 2025, 06:51#4

SB


You rely on BS again. The Russians did not send people into Ukraine during the present War. IN WW2 the Ukranins sided with the Germans and -


  1. In 1941 Stalin ordered the moving of the whole Tartar popultation from the Crimea to slave camps in Siberia approximtely 3 500 000 people was involved - after the death of Staln in 1953 they were allowed to return to the Crimea iand only 200 000 of the original people moved to Siberiia survived and returrned to the Crimea.
  2. Before the above the Tartars made up about 50% of the Crimea population after the return of the 200 000 they made up 10% of the Crimea which is the same as the present lanuage speakers are in 2014 and still is. ,
  3. During the Russian Empire under Catherine the Great - ie from 1776 to 1917 as stated the Russian population increased and by 1917 it made up about 40% of te Crimean population. Duing that period the Russians resettled about 10% of the population by Greeks and other people from the Balkans to settle in the Crimea, There were as a result repetitive wars beteen the Russian Empire and the Ottoman Empire - because the Russians resettled so many of the population they used as slaves from Ottoman control and the greek and other popualtion groups ended up as being about 10% of the Crimea population and most of those became integrated with many people becoming more Russian in language and by 2021 they made up 3% of the the population of Ukraine,
  4. During the Imperial era Sevastopol became the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea fleet and many sailors and Russian troops settled in the Crimea after completion of ther militarty services, As a result Greeks and Serbians together with the Russians made up about 50% of the Crimaan populatio by 1917.- the other 50% being Tartars,


Stalin's cruelty and eventual return of 200 000 Tartars changed the population components of the population to 10% in 1954 - 85% Russia speakers and 10% Tartar Muslims, with about 3% of the population being Greek, Bulgar and Serban speakers - which is still the case at present. Ukrainian speakers makes up 3% of the population mainly the same ame ir was in 1991 and still the same in 2022. Fact it would be madness for such a small percentage to either voluntary or othewise move to the war ravaged Ukraine after 2022. The Russians had no reason to expell Ukrainian speakers frim Ukraine since most of them was not even interested to go back to Ukraine or anywhere else in Russia ot the rest of Europe.


There is no proof that any Russian people were sent to live in the Crimea after 2015 - the Russian army and anvy population remained the same after 2014 there were no proof that Russia sent more troops and maries to the Crimea and after 2022 it never happened. There were no proven facts that the Russia sent more migrants into the Crimea after 2022 - zilch of it, there was not organized migration - if there were Russians who resettled n the Crimea after 2014 - so the story is BS as quoted by you, The percentages remained he same from 1954 to date.


In 2021 the Rusian did not invade the Crimea and the only soldiers and other defense force staff remained static and there factually no forces capturing Ukraine from the Ukraine Government - it never happened - the Russian troop numbers in the Crimea was the same in 2014 as it is today, In the Minsk agreement in 2015 signed by the then Ukraine President it was agreed that the Crimea was no longer part of Ukraine/


It blows the mind that BS like the above could be quoted by you - there was no need for the Russians to send migrants into the Crimea while invovled in the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine, That Civil War did not affect the Crimea at all and the Russians had too much on their hands in the 2021 war so sending to migrants to the Crimea was just never even a consideration. Neither was there any proof that the Rssians increased their armed forces in Ukraine after 2014.


The insttutions you claimed was total BS - it never happened - the displacement of the Tartars by Stalin during W2 was what changed the population components in the Crimea - the present Ukraine War had zero to do with the popualtion control by Russia at present and what was written above was in general propaganda garbage. The troop placement remained static after 2014 and the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine had zero to do with the Crimean population and the troop increase was also prpaganda garbage - the Crimean population did not change after 2014. There were n numbers given in respect of anything bar tens of thousands of addtional army toops sent to the Crimea - it just did not happen at all and was not ever logical, Another piece of BS was that the Russiams send more army personnel to the Crimea after 2014 since the Ukrranium war started in 2022 - ir never was necessary since in the 1991 constitution the Crimea bases of the Russian Navy and Marine forces in Ulraine was leased from Ukraine and that was te case by 2014 as well. Since Ukraine had zero army basis in the Crimea by 2014 there were no involvement of the Crimea in the Civil War at all. The nearest that Ukraine came to the Crimea were rocket and drone attacks hitting the Crimea from Ukraine and for that no additional troops were necessary.


By 2014 the Ukraine component of the Crimea pipulation was 3% and that figure is still the same in 2025. So your sources as per normal are BS supreme. In ny event AI is in this case abused by you as Mozart stated clearly in another case you quoted from AI


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2025, 09:51
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12 May 2025, 09:51#5

SB - the Supreme Idiot


As per normal you are talking shit uicreased by 10 000%, I never said all Rusian speakers were in favor ot return to Russia authority, You find a single case where I said that so stop spreading BS on site. What I did say I was in favour a deal that would entail a new Constitution guaranteeing the human rights of all Ukraine citizens as part of a peace deal in Ukraine.


Being Jweish - like the case was in the case was in Odessa the population in geenral speaks a dialect of Russian mixed up with Hebrew - which obviously was the home language in the case of Zelenskyy,


In 2014 the Asov Batallion - a private army used by the owner of the TV service where Zelenskyy worked as actor - murdered thousands of people in Odessa and was declared a terrorist and mercenary force by the UN Seciruty Council. After that - to allow for the USA continue its arms provision to the batallion - it was absorbed into the Ukraine Army.


In the 2019 election campaign Zelenskyy got 29% of he vote in the first round of the election andZelenskyy developed a new strategy as candidate Zelenskyy based his stategy to start with a negotiated peaceful end to the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine through negotiation. After the final round of the election where he got 72% support - he had a meeting with Trump and the latter supported his promise to end the Civil War through negotiation. However, he got a message when Senator Menendez - a Democrat crook since sent to jail because of brbery and coruption - told him the ending of the civil war would be decided on by the USA - not by the Ukraine Gvernment - in other words he could never act indepedently on that score, Either he cmply with th e USA DP stance or he would get n more aid funding from the USA and Aid funding t Ukraine by the SA would end,


By 20219 the Democrats controlled the Senate and Menendez was the Chairman of the Senate committee empowered to sign off on USA foreign aid grants to countries. The choice Zelenskyy faced was either to accpet S total control of twhe Ukraine overnment or grants by the USA would stop, Anywy menendez w corrupt as the Biden crime family and Zeleskyy realized for him to suvive as President he would have to follo USA isntructions and he enve implemented the promise to stop the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine through negotiation.


Since hs election Zelenskyy ecame a tool of the Senate Democrats and after that he became a servant of the Biden Regime in Washington and here was anoher ebnefit for him as well. He was corruted in the same waty as the criinals in ashington was and crrupt grants became a servant of the corrupt criminal regime in Washnon. ending of he Uraine Ciil War was nt on the USA Governent and that w the end of his promise to the votes ine amde in teh 2019 election.


In October 2021 Putin met Biden and suggested that a peace conference be held to stop the deteriorating Civil War in Eastern Ukraine - sice it was clear that Zelenskky had no real power to stop the Civil War in Eastern Ukraine - the power rest totally in Wahngton. Biden promised that he would instruct Binken to make arrangement for such a conference to be initiated. Whether the dementia sufferig Biden actualy gave such an nstriction clealry did not happen.


After Turkey in an effort to end the Ukraine War i April 2021 the Turkish Governent arrnaged a ceasefiree in the War and a confernce on the issue attended by the Russian and Ukraine foreign Ministers in Istanul. The Ukraine Government demanded that Ukraine participation depeds on witdrawal of all Russian troops threatening Kiev from Ukraine and the Rssians complied and wthdrew the troops to Byelo. When after days of negotiation a cease-fire settlement was agreed upon - the Ukraine Foreign Minster got an telephonic instruction from Blinken to leave Istanbul that day and not to initial the draft agreement decided on. That was confirmed by the Turkish government and the then Ambassador of Ukraine who was present at the meeting. So it was the Biden Regime in Wahngton that wanted the War to continue at all costs,


After that it was clear - the Ukraine Goenment under Zelenskyy had no say on the issue of the Ukraine War and for the USA Zelenskyy was a puppet instructed on everything pertaining to Governance of Ukraine. As corrupt s te USA Politicians and bureaucrats were in Washington the politiians and bureaucrats became in Ukraine and Zekenskyy and his cronies enriched themselves as well. Fact is that Zelesnkyy became e Biden puppet in Kiev,


When Trump became President all cash grants to Ukraine stopped and Zelenskyy was in a bind. Trump offered Ukraine a deal which entail aid for reconstrution of Ukraine funded from rare mineral mining in Ukraine funding the needed reconstruction of Ukraine after the war, Zekensjyy agreed to the deal offered by Bessent as Secretary of the US Treasury Department. After the media frenzy on Trump selling out the Ukraine through his alleged anince inks to Putn and comments from teh German Government Zelenskyy thought he would force Trump to adhere to his proposals on the Ukraine issue, so he used an opportiunity to force Trump into accepting his demands on the Ukraine Pesce deal and made a spectacle of himself w a prss meeting befre the signing of the Rare Niealk agreement and as a resul e ahd to leave the White House in disgarce,


After that Zekensky thought he had the all-out support of the NATO leadership in Europe and afte consulaton with Trump Starmir arranged a cnference in London. What zelenskyy did not realize was that Starmir phoned Trump twice to get to a final statement by the European leadership that cnfirms their suport for peace negotiations by Trump would continue and in fact Zelensky ended up wth no support from the NATO countries. About a fortnight ago you celebrated the failure of Trump's efforts to end the War based on comments by Rubio on issues that would lead to withdrawal of Trump from not continuing with the negotiation process, As a result of media frenzy and others you celebrated that Trump failed in efforts to end the War, You were warned that your celebration was without any factual basis - bar media disinformation BS.


In any event it did not lead to any stoppage of the peace effort by Trump, He - after discussion wth the Turkish President decided on a strategy that would force both Russia and Ukraine by setting up a meeting between Putin and Zelenskyy in Istanbul on Thursday/ The meeting was organized after a telephonic discussion beween Trump and the Turksih President about 10 days ago. I doubt not that Trump wil go to Istanbul to attend the meeting that would take place and am certain that Starmir and Macron were informed of it by Trump and may also be at the meeting.to show a unted front from NATO durng the negotiations. The latter was not confirmed publicly -- the only thing confirmed thus far is that Putin would meet with Zelenskyy on Thursday, The presence of Trump and assisant staff like Rubio, Starmir and Macron was my own impression to what I believe and in this case I was 100% correct since Trump became President on this issue.


So lets wait and see what happens in Istanbul on Thursday that would send you as a warmonger into deep depression or not.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 May 2025, 18:45
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12 May 2025, 18:45#6

So what was Zelensky's first language again?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2025, 20:09
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12 May 2025, 20:09#7

The Russian dialect spoken in the Odessa area and that has nothing to do with anything,, Zelensky became a corrupt puppet o the USA Gvernment who had to get permission from the Biden Regime as to what the Ukraine Goverment may or may not do,


The Rusian speaking memebrs of the Ukraine Parliament was arrested by the Zelenskyy Government and nobody knows where they are now. The Russians was happey to live n Ukraine and the arrested Parliamentarians voted to condemn a potential invasion of Ukraine but ended up in jail somewhere - whether they are still alive is a guess


The Civil War in Ukraie started because the New Regime in 2014 tore up the Constitution guaranteing hman roghts in Ukraine were discarded and from their hatred of the reactionay dicatatorship in Kiev was established.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 May 2025, 20:31
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12 May 2025, 20:31#8

One again Mike resorts to 3 paragraphs of waffle when he could just answer the question in one word.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2025, 21:27
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12 May 2025, 21:27#9

What the hell has that to do with the whole issue? The Russians speaking people were happy to live in Uktaine In the period 1991 until 2014 and the discarding of the Ukraine Contitution caused the Civil War in Ukraine and any event the coup in Ukraine turned most Russians angainst Ukraine because they lost the Constitutional protection they enjoyed and the Russian speaking people in general hated the Ukraine Government


Hoever, what was the simpleton question to do with the Ukraiene peace talks to get the country back to being a constitional Democracy it is not at present. So what has the statement and question to do wuth anythig pertaiibg to do with the peace talks at resent on the go?


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 May 2025, 22:44
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12 May 2025, 22:44#10

Down to two paragraphs, but still hasn't answered the question.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 May 2025, 09:40
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13 May 2025, 09:40#11

Do you uderstand English or are you too stupid to realize what happened and believe in propaganda BS and not facts as is normal with you,


My question remains - what has the situation in the Crimea to do with efforts to reach a peace agreement in the Ukraine War? .

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
13 May 2025, 10:08
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13 May 2025, 10:08#12

Oh two shorter paragraphs, still no answer.


Come on Mike you can do it.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 May 2025, 11:00
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13 May 2025, 11:00#13

"Come on Mike you can do it."


I don't think he can . . . and I'd be willing to bet on it.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 May 2025, 12:55
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13 May 2025, 12:55#14

Roidoos


I dislike what shit you and your like come up with. First of all what has the language of Zelenskyy to do with the present situation at all? I never said all Ukrainian Russian speakers refused o live under Ukraine and that isa fact as well. As per normal SB lied about that statement.


Secondly nobody answered when I asked them a simple question - what has the present situation to do wih his home language? No answered at all - so then you come up with further irrelvant BS. So you nswer the question dolt.


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 May 2025, 13:18
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13 May 2025, 13:18#15

Bingo!

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