'Elon Musk is wrong': Bernie Sanders gives blunt takedown of Trump ally

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) stepped into the boiling debate over the H1-B visa program and took aim at tech billionaire Elon Musk.

The progressive senator on Thursday called out Musk for his passionate defense of U.S. companies hiring foreign workers through the program – which reportedly includes Tesla. And he had his own theory of why the world’s richest man is in favor of the visa program.

“Elon Musk is wrong,” Sanders wrote Thursday in a post to his X account. “The main function of the H-1B visa program is not to hire ‘the best and the brightest,’ but rather to replace good-paying American jobs with low-wage indentured servants from abroad. The cheaper the labor they hire, the more money the billionaires make.”

Over the past week, tensions have flared in MAGA world after Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy called for an increase in H-1B visa and suggested U.S. workers were not up to par with foreign workers. President-elect Donald Trump – who tapped the two billionaires to lead the Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, – publicly sided with Musk on the issue.

But Sanders, who chairs the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, waded into the debate armed with facts. In a statement attached to his social media post, the Vermont senator continued his attacks on Musk using labor figures, Census Bureau data, and the hiring track record of Musk’s own company.

“If there is really a shortage of skilled tech workers in America, why did Tesla lay-off over 7,500 American workers this year – including many software developers and engineers at its factory in Austin, Texas – while being approved to employ thousands of H1-B guest workers?” Sanders wrote.

He also criticized Tesla’s starting rates for H1-B guest workers for jobs like associate accountants, associate mechanical engineers and associate material planners – which he said are “as little as” $58,000, $70,000 and $80,000 a year, respectively

“Those don’t sound like highly specialized jobs that are for the top 0.1 percent as Musk claimed this week,” Sanders said.

He took one more shot at Musk as he concluded his takedown.

“Bottom line. It should never be cheaper for a corporation to hire a guest worker from overseas than an American worker,” Sanders wrote.

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Sounds like Musk with the support of Trump is using his role for his own selfish interest at the expense of the American worker.

It's going to be a long 4 years.

lol...you can’t make this up...it's should now be clear that the Dems prefer illegal immigrants to legal one's...there are some checks and balances to the H1-B visa system to prevent workers being taken advantage of...there are non for the illegal migrants...Bernie is a hypocrite of note.

Tump never was against legal immigration and attacked th pen Border Policy of Biden that allowed illegal entry into the USA by circa 11 million illegals withut any checks about who enmtered he country illegally.    The scream of the DP always was that Trump will forbid entry of people needed for essentail service provision.in the country in reas where there are insufficient peple qualicfied in the emdical and computerization ervices where the  USA has had serious education deficiencies for decades. 

You are right the en attacks on Trump by the DP and their media supporters is t attack Musk because he and  Ramaswamy was appointed by Trump to clean ut cruption and incompetece leading to wasteful expenditure by the  Feeral Public Service and the issue of legal immigrati is normal diversion tactic by the DP and their media supporters from action be taken against illegal migrants 

he coditins are indicated in the following website of the USA Government and what Trump aims at is to prevent abse by emploayers of a system that has been i place for years:-

https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/h-1b-specialty-occupations, 

The attack on Trump is that he was going to ban both legal and illegal migration ito the USA - which was a lie,   To allow limitless illegal migration in terms of Biden's Open Barder policies was not based on work needs at all an ahd no ch ecks nd balances to prevent undermining US citizens when it comes to emplyment and prevet entry of ciminals into the USA.

Musk is no under attack by the fake emia that he is ruling over Trmp when it comes to the Presidency and the same BS as was the case in the Russian Hoax  BS is now aimed at Musk,   I find it hilarious - Trump will establish a dictatorial system by appiying techniques used by the Biden Administration against political opponents  over the past fur years.

And then there is the retribution BS by the Democrats as ell as BS of collusion between Musk and Putin to end the Ukraine War,    It is unbelievable how the sanke media in the USA twist and turn to find ssues theycan attack Trump on even when they have no  idea about weat Trump is going to d when dealing with issues.   In the meantime the main polem leding to he fake stories in the emdia is in act baed on one source - the disinformation service of the Demcrats in the next 18 days.    

What the D P fear most is the elimination of  incompetence, wasteful expediture and bribery and corrption in the dederal bureacracy nd their political allies in the DP bsed entirely on lie nd costing the Federal Gvernment rillions.

This is just screaming about an issue that never was an issue in te eelction and their new bogeyman is Musk - somebody they did everything for and turn vicious wen he foind how far left the DP establishment ebcame.   

I do not care a hoot about what the most corrupt governance system in the western world comes up with - disinormation an lies will keep flooding in s longa s Trump is going to len up the rot in the U SA.  .

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But then there is this little bit .......conveniently ignored, care to explain????

“If there is really a shortage of skilled tech workers in America, why did Tesla lay-off over 7,500 American workers this year – including many software developers and engineers at its factory in Austin, Texas – while being approved to employ thousands of H1-B guest workers?” Sanders wrote.

He also criticized Tesla’s starting rates for H1-B guest workers for jobs like associate accountants, associate mechanical engineers and associate material planners – which he said are “as little as” $58,000, $70,000 and $80,000 a year, respectively

The above quotes is not really the case.   When cross-cecking info the mdia has been mentioned anything between 14 000 and 2880 workers aving been dismissed at the tesla workers and some ave neen hired back already.   Based on acual reports is that sale of eelctric vehicles hve not reached the envisaged level and manufacturers sit with tens of thusands of unsold vehicles and the fct is that if such sales does pick up all companied ill etur to production levels.  So it is not only Tesla that laid off workers - other manufacturers  did the same.

Under Trump the BS about Green policies drawn up by Bill gates will be eeliminated and a return to ordinary vehicles  nanufacture will increase accordingly.     Ina ny effecct the categor of HI-B has nothin g to do with that category of people and Bernie is out on his campaign to bluff orkers again.  

Wat si misleading is what cagegories of HI-B issuis is BS and te wage quotes ae misleading sincde it does no reflect  pay rates for wrkers paid to US citizens.   One h tw oner why tis type of reporting is all over the show in the media  - and could be the normal practice of lying to the pubic.         

Whoooosh! 

Here have another read.

“If there is really a shortage of skilled tech workers in America, why did Tesla lay-off over 7,500 American workers this y ear – including many software developers and engineers at its factory in Austin, Texas – while being approved to employ thousands of H1-B guest workers?” Sanders wrote.

Sanders were talking shit.   The category of workers that enters as legal immigrants iro H1-B are not mechanics working in factories like Tesla - they are absically in computer science and medical and nursing staff,   

Trump and the Big Tech Oligarchs love  H1-B visas. They are the best way to suppress American wage growth by ensuring supply outstrips demand. 

H1B also has the advantage of 5 years of underpaid slave labour to be eligible for a green card.
The employer has them over a barrel. If their green card is not approved, they must return to India where they will still work for the US company. 

A company like IBM now employs more people in India, than within the US. This is giving away intellectual property to another country while decreasing opportunities in the US. 

If there are local employees to serve that market in their language etc that makes sense, but moving jobs from the the US (Or the West) into other markets does not help the interests of the majority of where that company operates.

Why did Tesla lay off workers. Because for the first time ever their ‘cars sold’ number dropped in 2024, when undoubtedly they were staffed for a continuation of strong growth. Meanwhile all AI related tech companies are staffing up dramatically.

A pathetic gotcha attempt by old Bernie, immediately parroted by Quisling. 

"How many people has he employed?"

Probably a few, especially when campaigning but again, the number of people that a politician employs is not normally a measure of his abiliies . . . unless you' re a very stupid and uninformed person

"How much tax has he generated for the US?"

Probably quite a lot, but again, why is this a measure of a career politician?

Your questions are similar to a football noob asking how many goals defenders or goalkeepers have scored.

How many votes has Elon Musk won . . . and if the answer is zero, why is he in charge of anything related to politics?

There were 5 nominees that Trump nominated  that did get votes = all he othes did nt get any votes - hey wer n candiayes in any election.  Musk was one such a nominee the media and the DP nd thei crrupt colleagues in the bureaucacy are  afraid of what will happen when they cleared out the corrupt loafers and those that wil get fired just because the review has not as yet uncover kickbacks to them.   The rest will transfer fromtheir office to jail.  

In jail they will be joined by one of  your poitical heroes Adam Schiff.   T he idiot operate the folowing system     In the period Obama was Pesident  the  $1 billion aid grant to Ukraine was not any weapon supply to Ukraine bcause he was afraid of Russian reaction to such supplies.  When Trump got in as President he change that and ordered that the $1 bilion grant for military aid must be paid ove to te Ukraine Government.   That is where Adam Schiff got involved.   About  $500 million of the aid grant went to Stepanek - a Ukraine arms manufacturer - who promptly registered a subsidairy company in the USA and appinted two staff mmbes of Schiff as the US Biard mony and Stepanek used the subsudiary to kick bachk 10% of the lot to Schiff,  Through that sbsidia flowed millions to Shoff and Stepanek took over th fundin g of Schiff's election campaigmn from Geoge Sorors.   Wray knew what was going on - but hushed up the scam  by refusing to investigate it.    That is why the Democrats hate the appointment of Patel - at the time at the WH in 2019 to 2021 he found out about most of the scams Biden, Pelosi and Schiff was involved in.    When Trump foud out about the scam he froze all foreign id progam - also iro Ukraine until the  S tate  Department and Treasury Department provide a program to prevent kickbacks and decided to buy arms in the US and sent teha rmmaments to Ukraine,   He fiorbid all cask transfes to kraine and that hit Nancy Peosi and they concocted a scheme to try and impeach Trmp based n BS they concocted about a fake report onm what Trmp discussed with Zelenskyy,  

They are well on their way to jail and the pardoning scam started with Hunter Biden to avoid further investigation of the con artists involved.    Will no work since the courts will throw out the pardons/    So Schiff is one of the first candidates to get ino jail.   Trump will pardon Biden because Biden is clueless about what he did and denied for instance that he stop the death psentences of mulitple killers,   He will be considered a mentally retarded and no court will send him to jail - so he would end up in a care scenter for mentally redarded people/   But the rest will end their lives in jail.   That include Wray as well.

The Chinese have a curse that state "May yiu live in interesting timesss".   It ctually means they wish the man get into trouble and the interesting times often end abruptly when they are excecited,   So the Democrats are now living in interesting times they would go and play monopoly in jail .                .         .       

Now here’s something truly stupid  from the Peeper.:

How many votes has Elon Musk won . . . and if the answer is zero, why is he in charge of anything related to politics?

Brnie's claim t fame that he own  4 homes - he got a fourth home in compension  his withdrawal as candidate in the 2020 primary eletions - so he in fact owned  homes,  He is a typical career politician they somehow manage to increase their assets within a frmework that can be abused by scoundrels.  He is acording to known factrs he became a millionaire after enering Senate and his minimum aasset value is at least  $3 million.    

He is a typical career .poliiciaan and an example that term linits should be introduced like applied to  execitives i the USA,   Career politicians found means to get wealthy through inside trading and kickbacks.   An example is Pelosi the iside trading master,   In 2024 a contract was awarded a  $156 bilioncntrct to develop a new compute service for the DOD and Biden was addressing Congress about subsidizing e;ectroc veicle prduction.   eszle of electic vehicles,   A week before the above hppened Paul Pelosi bought $10 million worth of IBM shares and $3 million buying Tesla shares,  

Another example is Obama - when he became  Senator in 2004 he declared his assets as $100 000 - four years later when he became  president he declared his assets a $3,5 million.   Before he got deals from Netflix or for his book he bought 5 luxury homes to the value of $32 million.    A normal enrichmnt example - mostlyby illegal means.   The Clintons arrived in Washington and is now worth over $200 million.   They collected money from various intitutions  paying te Clinton Foudation - the most imprtant beingthe Clinton Enrichment program that ensure 90% of the donations goes to the Clinton benefot fund,   Years ago Musk stated that votes in the Senate could be bought by ousiders for as little as $10 000/.     

That kind of conduct could be eliminated by term limits - an issue vigorously  opposed by Democrats  and even some Republicans  members of the Senate and the House,     It was Preident Trueman who said the pay of politicians are too small fo them  to become wealthy   Since his time enriching of career politicians carried on full-steam.  While Pelosi was a House member the net value value of the Pelosi family  increased from circa $5 million to ove $600 milion at present.

In the USA there is wide scale debate on te issue of introduction of tem limits and the rot would bes topped b terms limits for all policians.    Bernie is just ne example of the needs for term limits.

But term limits would not keep a lot of politicians  out of jail. 

BB

Glad you come up with that  photo - really admitting  that the comments of  Denny and you werc childish and that Rooinek's comments were worse than childiness - it is plain idiocy,

LMAO    

ouMaaik, have a laugh, it increases longevity.

Thanks BB

I enjoyed the above - since it cass me to laugh.     

As Trump, the fascist f'wit constructs his inner circle oligarchy .

LMAO

"As Trump, the fascist f'wit constructs his inner circle oligarchy ."

I know you really believe that, but you are dead wrong.

This is  fascism in action…you trivialize the horror by using the term for people you disagree with politically. .

Was it necessary for the f'wit to criticise Ukraine for a missile strike in Russia ?

https://www.rferl.org/a/trump-atacms-ukraine-russia/33237728.html

Trump Criticizes Decision To Allow Ukraine To Strike ...

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/dispatches/what-does-it-mean-that-donald-trump-is-a-fascist

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=bd b96888ff296c81&q=images+of+destruction+in+ukraine&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWd8nbOJfsBGGB5IQQO6L3JzWreY9LW7LdGrLDAFqYDH2bHZiU5SwFHpsjQQXz5AGY6jlY7gWv7XWy5rTU4GJzBeXtQ0Mc_h_riluNWyJq6uPkIPkrDYhUvIGy45WJtMq0gaw098BkHp7wX61EufyDThkKlGBOmtlEaN0PKBh66c_rmQIgsH3cqfKgopw5O0CY50Yrvw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjv38Kn79yKAxWGbvUHHRMJIC8QtKgLegQIERAB

Blob for heaven sake get a grip. 

Stav was right ............... 

No he wasn't. 

Listen BB

Please gve me aan honst answer - you alege that Trump is a Fascist and accuse Him of speading hatred - but is that not ahtespreading by people like you.?   So are you not spreadin hatred yorself based on media opinion pieces?

Then about retribution - is their any poof that Trump is going to implement retribution againsta anybody,    He never did hen hew as Preisdent before,    On what do you base thst story  about him remaining as Presidnt until his death?     I am not going to join the New Yorker to re that storym   

I do nt believe in hatespreading - but is what the emdia are accusing him of not tereason why their were two assassination attempts on Trump.     Wa there eve any court case where under ath anbdy  accused him of being a racist.   Trump owned businesses worldwide employing thiousands of people of all races - has there ever een a case whee in court he is proven to be a racist?  

Has Trump ever used the FBI or CIA  to spy on his opponents like Biden did over the last four years.     If Trump did that it would prove that he is indeed a Fascist, but it bever happened while he was President before - so why would he do that in futire,    The fact  that the Foreign Intelligence  Service Court found that the FBI unconstitutionally and illegally did that in espect of 278 000 people - but according to wistleblwers the numbe of such invesigsatio was spying on more than a million opponents of the Biden Rgime and when Wray was asked in how many cases the FBI acted ilegally on that score - Wray refused to answer the question.    Is spying on political opponents by the FBI not a totalitarian action?

What is weird too is how come Biden complained that Garland as AG delayed the court cases against Trump when in fact there were no evidence of any misdemeanours on Trump's part.   The comments confirmed that the Court cases were in fact part of the Democratic Party election cmapaign.   Why did none of the cases made headway in Courts, since appeals if he a found guilty and sentenced  would have occurreed and that is where the situation would have been thrown out of court since none of the casess were true and of any value at all.   Using the Courts against opposing political opponents is not what happened in totalitarian states?      

Was it not that when it became clear that Harris could not win the eection that in the 14 days before election date the DP and the leftit media started an all out campaign  accusing Trump of being a Fascist becoming doing  what the DP in fact did becoming the main propagand item in the media? 

There is on issue that the DP and the media are hiding from the voters and that relates to bribery and corruption involvig both politicians and bureaucrats.    When the banks informed the FBI that the Biden's are using  shelf comapnies to launder money paid into the companies by foreign companies to members of the Biden family and Biden himself one would expect that the FBI and Justice Depatment would have investigate the banks findings - but the FBI did no such investigation.    But that was not the only problem  - why did the FBI told the media that the Hunter Biden Laptop was Russian disinformation while they knew it was not.   Why did the FBI not followed up on obvious criminaliy by the Bidens refused to investigate the bribery transactions listed in the Laptop and never investigated it?   

But it  not the only problems - hy did the FBI and Justice department not acted when the Auditor General reported to Congress that $5,4 billion in Covid assistance funds vanished into thin air?    Why is it that in Audit reports indicated that the Public Servants could not account what happened to money the DOD and Homelands Security spent - about  $500 billion.   What was involved and on what was the money spent?   Was incompetece or corruption involved?   The FBI refused to investigate what happened to that massive amount of money?   The reaal reason is that the USA turned into a looting paradise and with Trump's election the issues the FBI tried to hush up will be investifgated,    The real fact is that corruption in the USA bcame a major problem and the use of Fscism allegation  in fact is aimed at preventing Trump from becoming President,    The problem is that the allegations did not work out either and my personal foreast is that a major assassintion attempt is going to happen during the next 15 days - the criminals involved is in serious danger of not only losing their jobs - but will end up in prison -  and the oganization would not be secret and be involving a small number of bureaucrats and the next effort will be organized on a much wider basis and will involve both the FBI, the DOD and the CIA,    In other words it would be a coup and that is going to mov the USA into a full dictatorship - since te political nd bureaucratic establisment cannot afford that Trump becomes the next USA President.   and Vance becoming the VP,   Since that would create a political vacuum and the  DP ,is going to have them both eliminated and would ue it to remain in control of government.       

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TDS is once again driving the anti Trump bunch dilly.

SHAME.

FOUR MORE YEARS.

800 × 600

LMAO!

Rooinek 

Careful I knw your arse have taken ver yor brin and your arse is ruling your brain hen it comes to  thinking.   Did not know your arse could laugh idiot.   

This is  fascism in action…you trivialize the horror by using the term for people you disagree with politically.

This is also fascism.

To get to the point in that picture you posted you have to go through a lot of the above first.

You made such a short post yet managed to make tw o misrepresentations of the other side. We are not trivializing the horrors of fascism, we are warning people of the potential dangers of the road some people want to travel down.

And we are not labeling all we disagree with as Fascists. Mike Pence was not a fascist, Niki Haley was not a fascist, John McCain was not a fascist. We only apply the label where it fits.