Eric Clapton on getting vaxxed.

"Would you still get vaa aa aaxed..."

Some woke response...EVIL times for sure... the Nazis would be so proud. 

It's funny when the Socialists call you a Nazi. That right there, that's total ignorance. 

"The Nazi Party, officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party, was a far-right (???) political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of Nazism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party, existed from 1919 to 1920. 

Worker's or labour parties are normally considered left, yet not in this case. Was it the Nationalist portion that made them far-right?

Why do the far-right try to politicise everything, or at least those that are not smart. 
The sensible conservatives are all vaccinated. It is just the below average IQ that think it is all a conspiracy. 

When people are not allowed to share their experiences without a massive backlash, something is wrong and my heckles get up. Just like I'm hearing from healthcare practitioners administering vaccines that they're forbidden to talk about any ill effects they witness from the vaccine. If there's nothing to cover up, don't act like there's something to cover up.

I have a throat ache and ear ache since I took the second shot and also some dizzy spells,   No more vaccines for me I am afraid,      

It'll go away Maaik.

Why would governments not use a treatment that works?  If the CDC and FBA are on the corporate payroll. it does not explain why other countries would follow suit- unless it was a conspiracy where they were paid. 

Many of the conservative's media personalities like Tucker Carlson that criticize the vaccines, were probably the first ones to get the vaccine. 

There have been many so-called cures for Covid that are not vaccines, but they are just fashions that fade away- when a new cure pops up. What ever happened to HCQ?

The facts remain is that the death rate is much higher for people that have not taken the vaccine.
Cases in the UK are at an all-time high, but the deaths are only 10% than before the vaccine. 

I don't know SB, that's why I ask. There doesn't seem to be the necessary balance when discussing these matters. It keeps descending into my way or the highway stuff. Vaccine or bust. I get the impression reasonable treatments are simply being wiped off the table without due consideration. Not only wiped off, but ridiculed.

No one who has had Covid for example should be forced to get the vaccine, especially not now that the data shows natural immunity comprehensively trumps vaccines. But the narrative remains that everyone must get vaccinated no matter what. It's too aggressive (you will get jabbed and fuck all other considerations) and that gets me wondering. I'm not an expert in anything and I'm painfully aware of how little I know, but I'm asking questions because I have plenty that have failed to produce reasonable explanations.

Pakie, it's like a religion. 

If you're implying that Sharkbok is creating the imbalance then I would urge you to click on a few Baboon-ou posts regarding the vaccines. Sharkbok or any other pro-vaxxers would have to increase their output tenfold to even begin to address that imbalance.

Yeah that's fair enough Rooinek, I was speaking more from the other end in light of this thread revolving around the Clapton video, but of course the imbalance extends to antivaxxers. No, I didn't mean Sharkbok, I meant the vaccine narrative in general. As for Beeno, we know he's been lost in his own wormhole for ages.

We'll see how long it remains personal choice. The SA health ministry is already having discussions about mandatory vaccinations. True, only in certain industries, but that's how it starts.

There is a problem  with usage of methods to treat sick people caused by the Covid virus,   My 80 year old  sister-in-law became infected and had slight negative effects after being given only vitamin tablet as treatment  - there is no other drug or pills that could be used so effectively sick Covid sufferers face no real medical help other than various forms of breathalyzers  to assist them in recovery.    

Why should that be?    I have a theory and that si that the WHO is against any medical treatments other than vaccines.    The question is why  and who amongst their funders have a big say in who decisions.   one of their biggest funders is  Gates  making tens of billions out of vaccine production - the other is China.    

Anything reducing the usage of vaccines will be fought tooth and and by Faucci  who controls the CDC since he is also stealing from the  corrupt cookie jar as well  and he has influence with other heads of health in other countries.   

India has been using ivermectin extensively to fight the Delta variant and was successful in doing it.     So why not use it?    

As to virus passports by the Government it is totally unconstitutional and basic rubbish.    People wont accept that kind of dictatorial control of their lives  and would be fools to do so in the end.     

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I now know seven people who are double jabbed with covid. 

If the vaccine had reduced infection rate and transmission against Delta, like it did against other strains- then I would support laws limiting the freedom of anti-vaxxers. So would the majority- not just the government. 

If 80% of the population choose to get vaccinated, why would you want to expose them to anti-vaxxers who wrongly believe God is protecting them from getting infected. 

Everyone has freedom and rights, but these are also restricted by other peoples freedom and rights.
It is the right of the vaccinated majority to not want to be infected by people who would prefer to get Covid than take a vaccine.   If you don't respect other people's rights by not caring if you infect them, you just have less freedom- until Covid treatments improve. 

It is your choice not to take the vaccine, but it is not your choice if vaccinated people do not want to be exposed to you. You are entitled to have your own religion, but this is irrelevant to others that do not believe it- especially in countries where religion is a minority. 

99% of anti-vaxxers are religious, and that is why vaccines are going to be a problem in countries with lots of religious people. They believe it is Mark of the Beast, and other childish fantasies. 

Even the worst governments in the world are not going to restrict people's freedoms that are vaccinated, instead of those that are not. It just would not make sense. 

If the vaccines were really that effective, why would you worry about being exposed to the unvaccinated? Natural antibodies is better than the vaccines, why should people who have recovered from covid be exposed to the risks of an experimental vaccine they don't need in the first place?

You obviously did not watch the second video...you refuse to watch or hear anything which might interfere with your pre conceived views...absolutely not the scientific way...rather the ostrich's way.

Draad, I started watching the video - and stopped after smelling a rat. 

Of what I did see- 

1. A religious person masquerading as a scientist. A wolf in sheep's clothing. 
   
   
2. Vaccines not approved. (BS- vaccines have been approved in many countries, including the US). It was a surprise the US took so long to approve Pfizer, given they have been using if so long. 
   
   
3. Long term effects usually take many years. (No shit Shirlock- no one was expecting them to be immediate). However, no one knows if there will be long term side effects until after the event. All drugs are tested and released to the public in the same way. 
   
   
4. Kids have a 100% survival rate- BS. Delta is killing more kids, albeit at a much lower rate than older adults. 
   
   
5. Delta death rate is lower than previous strains- more nonsense. This dummy is however not factoring vaccinated people are reducing the death rate. 
6. His test show cancer developing in primates and mice. Where is the proof other than his personal testimony? 
7. Some theory that immunity from both vaccine and infection are bad. 

Draad, I started watching the video - and stopped after smelling a rat. 

Of what I did see- 

1. A religious person masquerading as a scientist. A wolf in sheep's clothing. (BS, he's arguments have nothing to do with religion, you're just ignoring it, because he wasn't anti religion....are you saying he is lying about his credentials?)
   
   
2. Vaccines not approved. (BS- vaccines have been approved in many countries, including the US). It was a surprise the US took so long to approve Pfizer, given they have been using if so long. (It was only recently approved, I don't know the vid is. It was used under emergency conditions prior to the approval)
   
   
3. Long term effects usually take many years. (No shit Shirlock- no one was expecting them to be immediate). However, no one knows if there will be long term side effects until after the event. All drugs are tested and released to the public in the same way. (That's the whole point, duh...that's why there normally is a much longer and thorough trial period, recklessly abandoned in this case) 
   
   
4. Kids have a 100% survival rate- BS. Delta is killing more kids, albeit a much lower rate than older adults. (1 in 10 000 or more is 100% for practical reasons, go punch it on your calculator)
   
   
5. Delta death rate is lower than pervious strains- more nonsense. (No it's not, it's fact)
6. His test show cancer developing in primates and mice. (yes, animal trials are paramount in developing safe vaccines, neglected for covid)
7. Some theory that immunity from both vaccine and infection are bad. 

It's not a vaccine, it's gene therapy. That first thought hurdle befuddles the shackle draggers. 

Israel has had the most aggressive vaccination campaign against Covid, and they are not beating it. Their research post-vaccine craze is definitive. But, what numbers should we believe? What we do know as fact is that Covid death figures were deliberately increased by the deaths from causes other than Covid, and vaccination side effects and deaths are deliberately being hidden from us. We'll never know the actual figures, but we do know we are being lied to. 

No reason on earth to believe Dr Ryan Cole is lying, on the contrary it clearly reveals he has ethics and remains true to the hippocratic oath and has no financial, political and relgious hidden agendas. In fact he is motivated by principles and does not go with the flow of fearful ignoramuse s. He has courage and convictions. Made us aware of blaring risks.

Thank you Dr Cole...I trust you and certainly not the Global agendas of polluted corrupt medics.

I had such a specialist once, Dr David Shein (Now in  Bronx NY USA) who saved my life...he was totally outspoken, unconventional, sharp as a razor and governed by strong ethics.

Shark, appears to believe the status quo, goes with the flow and despises individualism and loves collectivism....the majority must be always right....lol.

My conclusion is that every country has third world people, some just have more than others. 

The anti-vaxxers are a case in point. They are just not part of the 21st century, clinging to a religious crutch watching their herd slip out of mainstream thought into alternate reality.

Don't take the vaccines. It is fine. It is nature's way of thinning the herd. Survival of the fittest- where the unvaccinated herd will be reduced even further- and faster. 
Nature just does its thing, it is not dependent on people's religious beliefs.  

It is science or fiction based on blind faith folks...

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"Don't take the vaccines. It is fine. It is nature's way of thinning the herd. Survival of the fittest- where the unvaccinated herd will be reduced even further- and faster."

Selective pressure indeed

Plum, a serious question. You might have stated this previously and I would have missed it. 

Are you an anti vaxxer? 

There's no need to answer if you don't want to but if you do a yes or a no will do.

And the spirit of Jeffrey Epstein will also have access to your bank records...

SB

There is one amazing stat that bothers me a lot -  in the year when there were no "vaccine "  and Trump was in charge  the death rate per moth was averaged at 35 000  per month - with all the vaccines now available  and used the  death rate per month  are at 30 000 under your hero Biden.

There are two issues here and that is that the vaccines helped - but not completely.   There are two aspects here that help and those are -

*     vaccines have an impact that lower the death rate  of people - but it does not lower the death rate amongst people with morbidities which is disregarded in the deaths  of people in both years;

*      there is the issue of herd immunity that scientists like Faucci is disregarded, but there is a  large number of scientists  that credit herd immunity as of equal importance to  vaccination.

You mentioned above that the person in the video clip is probably pai money to make an adverse statement to what Faucci  and co advocate.     I have two problems with that is that Faucci - in close liaison with the Pharma Industry and probably get well-rewarded for that service.

Faucci should actually be in jail for lying to the Senate.    He claimed there were a case of communication by e-mail to the head of the Wuhan lab that they should cover up  the gin-in-function research taking place at the Lab  in January 2020 since it could have problems for the USA funders .- obviously him included.    He has been veering from  supporting masking to not supporting masking and often within less than a fortnight.   The man has been reported to the Justice Department for lying in Senate - but even though proven the Justice Department will not act on the matter.    

Once bitten twice shy - I have eben vaccinated twice and did it because Covid at my age could have  deadly consequences when people get infected by the virus.    I still have serious question marks  since the vaccination does not stop spreading and the myth that it stops death is  not true - if people have serious morbidities  they will still die after infection whether vaccinated or not.  

In the meantime the masking charade is being rebelled against - people all over the USA  are rebelling against  it.    Even in New York the spectators  at the US Tennis Open  - nobody bar the officials are wearing masks.    The problem is that the Democratic Elite are rejecting the masks  - but expect from the rest of the population not to follow their example.    

I think there should be reals tatistics provided when dealing with the issue like the following: situation as to deaths in 2021 should eb sued.  -

                                  Infections         Vacciated       Deaths    1 or more morbidites

Age  -    1 to 30

              31 to 45

              46 to 60

              61 to 75

              76 to 85

              above 85

Same for unvaccinated people.    Once the above is provided people would themselves consider where to get  vaccinated  or not,      

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Ja Plum, I'm pro vax...all my kids are fully vaxxed...we even paid for the extra MMR vax Pro.

When this whole Covid thing started, they told us it would take 5 to 10 years to develop a safe vaccine...to iron out all niggles etc, etc. Now, suddenly, they developed a handfull of vaccines in less than a year...trialed and tested...any rumors of adverse effects are shouted down as disinformation, skeptics are labeled "anti-vaxxers" etc. 

Wherever Snark is for something, there's serious merit in examining the opposite view...

As luck would have it, me and my immediate family all had covid already, so we should be better off than the vaxxed over the next six months or so...we don't have to decide anytime soon...

Can any of the pro-covid vaxxers tell me why it bothers them that some people don't want to get jabbed? It's not as if the vaccines curb the spread significantly.  Why does it bother you so much?