Some thing the American Politicans repeat time and time again...these arseholes never learn...most of you were too young or have never seen action except Wardaddy.
From JFK Nixon to Trump...songs sung in 1960's and 70's relevant
Don't be a hypocrite Moz...we don't know the truth, certainly nobody I know on this forum was a witness. only rigged set-up and even that is complicated...strangely one of my buddies at school (an exchange student from Arizona...a lovely guy, excellent Shakespearian actor and played 1st team polo and a very good swimmer) was lost at the evacuation of Saigon...I was devastated...his body was never found. Same as in Rhodesia...human life is very precious.
I don't like talking about these things...but ' Nam was probably the biggest farce to a civilised world...so many cream of the crop young men were lost and maimed for politicians greed.
Lets just clear the air, I'm not a Putin fan or any other politican for that matter but I like to be honest...he stood his ground and control...and stands his ground...that weak poopal in your country who twitters (how embarassing)...I wonder what Churchill or Eisenhower or Smuts would have thought of a world leader like this.
Yes, it can start a war believe me and then hundreds of thousands or more likely millions will die from nuclear fall-out.
We know USA loves wars...makes money out of it...the steel industry during Vietnam, Iraq, Afghastistan ...did you buy shares in the steel industry and ofcourse how many oil barons do you have in USA...think straight and don't be simple like your spaniel mate.
You are spot on when you say "men are flawed" and certainly Winston was flawed as all men are, and that includes me and you and certainly all and I don't follow man and "worship" them per se.
That's the real problem but one has no right to judge or discern unless one has reliable and trustworthy source...news reporters (whether liberal ,conservative or otherwise) are among the most unreliable sources to place any facts before the gullible masses, certainly for an untruthful cause that might plummet the whole world into a dark abyss.
We certainly don't know 100% who was responsible because mankind is so manipulative and motivated by hidden agendas far beyond the gullible understandings of the herd.
Trump was right when he told the American people that he will put his country first and a policy of "getting your own house in order first" but has reneged on this which means he is untruthful and a liar. I supported him against that evil witch Hilary Clinton but it just shows how sick political leadership is in USA, not to mention that other evil witch in England and Germany and France's head of state.
Putin on the otherhand appears to attend to his own country needs first and Russians people just want to left alone to get on with their own problems which are many due to damages over many years due to communism. This a fact I know...because of my personal inter action with them.
Putin is very popular in Russia and has respect...yes he is ruthless and tough but he is stable and in control and certainly has important issues to fix in his own country...the size of Russia is immense with hundreds of different ethnic diversification.
The world should leave Russia alone thats all they want and mind their own business...it's rather like humbug people trying to take specks out of their brothers eyes whilst having logs in theirs.