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Finally some credible numbers on Ukraine war casualties

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2023, 16:49
#1
18 Aug 2023, 16:49#1

The total number of Ukrainian and Russian troops killed or wounded since the war in Ukraine began 18 months ago is nearing 500,000, U.S. officials said, a staggering toll as Russia assaults its next-door neighbor and tries to seize more territory.

The officials cautioned that casualty figures remained difficult to estimate because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, and Kyiv does not disclose official figures. But they said the slaughter intensified this year in eastern Ukraine and has continued at a steady clip as a nearly three-month-old counteroffensive drags on.

Russia’s military casualties, the officials said, are approaching 300,000. The number includes as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injured troops. The Russian numbers dwarf the Ukrainian figures, which the officials put at close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.

But Russians outnumber Ukrainians on the battlefield almost three to one, and Russia has a larger population from which to replenish its ranks.


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If there is a big waiting room in the sky Vladimir Putin has a lot of suffering to explain.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2023, 17:06
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18 Aug 2023, 17:06#2

You must be losing your mind. 

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
18 Aug 2023, 17:26
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18 Aug 2023, 17:26#3

Why you yanks push this Ukraine into war with Russia?

You funded the coup, provided the arms... now you want give us the death stats... 

Shame on you. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
18 Aug 2023, 17:48
#4
18 Aug 2023, 17:48#4

Why you yanks push this Ukraine into war with Russia?

Gotta love those far right wing Putin tankies.

On one hand they believe the US is this decadent country, past its prime run by a blundering fool who couldn't find his way out of a wet paper bag with a hole in, yet on the other hand they believe the US are masters of 4D geo-political chess where it effortlessly manipulates other countries into war.

Which is it?


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2023, 19:18
#5
18 Aug 2023, 19:18#5

Stav

I look at facts and not propaganda.    I consult many sources - both liberal and conservative.   I do not believe the propaganda flooding the USA and  EU media - even the biased wikipedia who rewrote the history of Ukraine in and since WW2.   I also study some evidenced procedures in the US Senate and House where lies under oath results in heavy jail sentences.   The Biden administration protects liars so they for the moment get away with murder.

That is how I found out about the virus starting in the Wuhan Lab in China developed under guidance of Dr Faucci and  funded by the US Government.    They tried desperately to lie their way out of the problem - but there is at present a House investigation on the go trying to trace money payments that could be entailing bribery and corruption.   Th at is how I found out that the USA lied about the bio-labs in Ukraine.    Sure there are more than 26 Labs in Ukraine operating under guidance and funded from the USA.   When Senator Rubio asked Nuland about bio-weapons in Ukraine she admitted the existence of the Bio-labs in Ukraine - but that they do not do dangerous researching that could result in biological weapons.   However, in the next sentence she said that the US Government is worried about pathogens falling into the hands of the Russians.    Nuland was also the person who described how the USA selected an interim  Government to take over in Ukraine in 2014  - making mincemeat of people like yourself claiming it was a popular revolution that succeeded.   It was engineered, organized by the CIA and funded through the US Embassy in Kiev.

*    Since 2014 the USA gave billions of dollars in Foreign Aid and whenever the US Government decide on issues the Ukraine proxy Government must implement it.   There was total corruption involved in the US Grant payments to all countries and US politicians and bureaucrats got huge back-handers from all aid packages to other countries.   When  Trump became aware of what was going  on he stopped aid to all countries he instructed the Treausry and Foreign Affairs Departments to compile new procedures to control all aid funding and make sure it is not riddled with corruption.   He ultimately decide to purchase arms in the USA and provide it too Ukraine - no cash money would be paid to Ukraine - the most corrupt Government in Europe.   What really happened that the income source people like Pelosi and Schiff  amongst others were cut off and they took their  revenge on trump by creating a reason for impeachment of Trump - which in the end was just another Democratic Party lie - how did I know that?   For the most of 2019 there was propaganda spread to impeach Trump.   Pelosi was not in favor of it and said so publicly.- her tune changed the moment Trump announced that arms and no money is to be provided and the kickback system would stop.  The moment Pelosi and Schiff  found out about the new delivery process - she and Schiff decided on starting of impeachment of Trump.  

It was Washington who sabotaged all efforts to find a peaceful solution to the Ukraine situation  I was not surprised by it at all.   The U S Government used infiltration of the Justice Department to undermine investigation of criminality of US politicians.   The backhander system suffered as a result.   Take just one example - Nancy Pelosi.   She became a House member in 1986.   She came with no family fortune in evidence - yet last year her net value was estimated as $530 million - so much so Paul and Nancy Pelosi  recently bought a home in Florida - the purchase price being $25 million no loans involved.    It was President Trueman in 1947 who said that bearing in mind the salaries paid to Politicians no US politician will ever become rich.   

How did some Politicians so rich?   Easy they get a corrupt method of selfenrichment through backhanders. influence-pedaling. and insider-trading,   Recently one of the ultra-rich let the cat of a bag he said the US politicians would change their vote on issues for as little as $10 000. 

Mozart fight like hell against it - but the fact is that with exception of a small minority - the US political system is ultra-corrupt.     The USA  Government always lie about issues - so much so that nobody really trust whatever they come up with - or to put it differently - anybody trusting the present US Government must consult a Shrink.                                                                      



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2023, 23:31
#6
18 Aug 2023, 23:31#6

Yes let’s take Nancy Pelosi, apparently your  detailed research never turned up this fact:

What is Paul Pelosi's Net Worth?

Paul Pelosi is an American businessman who has a net worth of $120 million. Paul Pelosi is best known for being married to United States Senator Nancy Pelosi. They have been married since 1963 and have five children.

Paul Pelosi has earned a substantial fortune as the founder of the San Francisco-based real estate and venture capital investment and consulting firm Financial Leasing Services. 


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Conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory, easily dismissed by a simple net search. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2023, 23:36
#7
18 Aug 2023, 23:36#7

HasBeen, Seb, Moonrover and Clever….the 4 horsemen still looking for the Apocolypse.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2023, 01:41
#8
19 Aug 2023, 01:41#8

Paul Pelosi's value is estimated at $110 million - he did not have that in 1986 when Pelosi became a house member.    A week before the Pentagon gave Microsoft a contract to update the computer system  bought Microsoft shares worth  $10 million.    In that same week  just about a week before  Bidden announced subsidy to support production of electric motor vehicles Paul Pelosi bought $3 million shares in Tesla.    Just an example how Pelosi conducted her business.   

I do not know where you got the estimnated value of the Pelosi's at $110 million from.   I saw a report in which Nancy Pelosi's estimated value is $530 million.    The fact is that Pelosi got millions out of a scam her son - also called Paul - and his Russian Partner operated in Ukraine when a  US Grant was given to his company to the amount of $25 million - a video recording of a clip in which Pelosi was praising the work done by her son and his Russian partner in Ukraine was the main motivation why  an allocation was approved by the US Embassy in Kiev for hisd work n oil and gas exploitation in Ukraine.   The Paul Pelosi Junior company dealing with oil and gas and oil research was registered in California in 2009 and deregistered in 2011 due to irregularities.   Paul and his Russian Partner then Registered the company in Singapore.   Virtually immediately after the  $25 million grant was paid to the Bank account of the company - the money was transferred to the company bank account in Singapore and from there the money was transferred to the company bank account in Singapore and from there vanished into thin air.     The company registration in California as well as hthe deregistration in 201is a fact and as was                      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2023, 02:46
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19 Aug 2023, 02:46#9

So produce the report. 

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
19 Aug 2023, 03:42
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19 Aug 2023, 03:42#10

"the 4 horsemen still looking for the Apocalypse". by Mozarta  

    I am glad you say looking and not causing one, as your Biden creature is trying to.Thiz time though your yanks will get a return for their money if t hey drop the bomb again. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 Aug 2023, 06:21
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19 Aug 2023, 06:21#11
x 6

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Aug 2023, 08:57
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19 Aug 2023, 08:57#12

$110M, $250M....$540M, it doesn't matter,  Skeletor is probably a corrupt crook with family ties to the Mob...

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Aug 2023, 09:23
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19 Aug 2023, 09:23#13

I don't think in my life I have ever been as wrong about a person as I have been about Moz. He is an outright propagandist refusing to look at the evidence. 

The war in tbe Ukraine so aptly proves this. 

He stubbornly refuses to face the facts.

He ignores the fact that when Russia agreed to the reunification of Germany US Secretary of State Baker famously promised Russia NATO would never move an inch eastwards. Well they have moved 1000 miles eastward. Putin has objected tome and again. 

He refuses to acknowledge the part played by the CIA and State Department in formenting a revolution to topple the duly elected pro Russian Ukranian Government. Just like the US has toppled numerous governments. 

He refuses to acknowledge the US training and arming the Ukraine military so that missiles were placed in Ukraine that could reach Moscow in minutes. So that Crimea could be retaken. 

He ignores the fact that as Angelo Merkel said the Minsk Accords were used to buy time to build up the Ukrainian military. 

He refuses to acknowledge the presence of numerous gain of function labs in Ukraine (I hear there were some 40 of these) which RFK Jr says were producing bio weapons.

He refuses to acknowledge that the Zelensky Regime were waging a war on Russian in tbe Donbass and treating Russians as second class citizens. 

He refuses to acknowledge the tyranny of the Zelensky Regime which has banned all opposition parties, the press and the Russian Orthodox Church. 

He won't acknowledge that Ukraine is totally corrupt. That it's is being used to launder money back to US politicians 

NEITHER will the Mozzzzquito acknowledge that the peace accord reached by Putin and Zekensky was scuppered when Biden send Boris Johnston to  tell Zelensky to end the agreement. Putin showed Africa leaders a copy of tbe agreement. 

Neither will the Mozzzzquito acknowledge the deadly jabs were not safe and they were not effective, that masks and social distancing did not work. and that natural immunity was far stronger and more long lasting than ANY Vaccine. 

He didn't want to admit this was a man made bio weapon either. He defended Fauci at every turn. 

Like most of a criminal mindset he couldn't help but boast about how well  his Big Pharma shares did while at the same time saying Pfizer etc made no big profits from the deadly gene therapy. 

 He also just had to boast about how his shares in arms producer Raytheon did. 

He applauded the instigation of the war saying the war STARTED when Russia send a small expeditionary special force into Ukraine to underline the need for talks. 

He totally ignored the reasons why Putin had to act. He wants the war to continue to the last man, a heartless war mongering fiend. 

He applauds the many billions in military equipment sent to Ukraine that fuel the growth in his shares. 

But scarcely a word about the open Southern Border that is costing the USA so dearly in lives, suffering and treasure.  He thinks the price worth it if it lifts corporate profits via cheap Labour. 

The Mozzzzquito is a Globalist. A citizen of tbe World. The USA means zip to him, neither do the people of Ukraine. 

Now he is trying to deflate the number of Ukrainians killed and inflate the number of Russians. He is not appalled that young men on both sides have died. 

He forgets that the Pentagon has said 1 Russian dies for every 8 Ukrainians. Some say it 1 to 10. How could it be other wise. The attacking side always lose more. Russia has set up great defensive lines. Ukrainian troops are out in the open with no air cover. They have an artillery deficit of 10 to 1. Etc etc. 

Moz has become a disinformation center. A fake news propagandist and it's totally dispicable. 

And of course for Moz the Biden Regime didn't blow up Nordsteam 2.

Strangely Moz gets climate change correct. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2023, 09:46
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19 Aug 2023, 09:46#14

Mozart

I got most info from Jimmy Dore an extrme liberal - who shoewed the documents on Paul Pelosi Juniors work in Ukraine and in another showed the Microsoft and Tesla buying of shares by Paul Pelosi Senior. 

In another one there are allegations of corruption involving FTX - promoted on their website by the World Economic Forum as an ideal site for investment - this was removed by the WEF after FTX went belly-up.    During the first week of the Russian Invasion the House voted aside from military assistance an amount of 1 billion for Ukraine for structural support.  Three days after the vote Pelosi and Schiff turned up in Ukraine to deliver the good news.   Why was that?   In a discussion with Joe Rogan the fact was that  there is proof that most of the structural support  funding was invested by Ukraine from where $70  million went to the DNC and $250 000 went to Senator Romney who helped the So-called Independent in the Senate race in Utah,    According to documentation Pelosi got $100 million from FTX and Schiff a similar amount after the $1 billion grant was delivered to Ukraine.

Sorry Mozart - you seem to become part of the racket to suppress info on Democrat politician corruption - also in the Biden case the House found in bank records on money flow to the Biden crime family.    

I also do not believe the 300 000 Russian soldier losses in the Ukraine War and less than 200 000 Ukraine losses coming from he Pentagon.   According to the Pentagon it is guestimates and not worth the paper is being written on.    In the meantime the famous counter offensive by the Ukraine as stalled and is getting nowhere while is moving in to attack Kharkiv and Odessa,   If that was true  reliable info that Russia has called up 900 000 troops for military service of wh which 300 000 was in fact involved in Ukraine fighting and the result was in cams in Russia under training.   So all the 300 000 actual Russian soldiers on Ukrainian by June 2012 nothing was left of the  he Russian Ukraine army active in Ukraine soil and that the troops now in Ukraine came from training camps in Russia.   The Pentagon is spreading  BS and you believe it.and you call it reliable.   AMAZING is all I can say.   .                         

 

            

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Aug 2023, 09:55
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19 Aug 2023, 09:55#15

History is written by the victors...and it's quite possible...and most likely that the 4th World War is already in progress.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Aug 2023, 09:58
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19 Aug 2023, 09:58#16
"I don't think in my life I have ever been as wrong about a person as I have been about Moz."
Hmmm . . . let's see . . . you used to adore Anthony Fauci and now you think he's Satan; you thought Piers Morgan was brilliant until he fell out with Bozo; you loved Mike Pence and now you think he's a traitor; you worshipped Michael Cohen until he exposed Bozo's corruption; you gushed over Sean Hannity up until he admitted Fox News lies; you were besotted with Nigel Farage and now you say he's weak . . . and yet you think Moffie is the person you've misjudged the most?
LMAO!
Baboon-ou, you're a stupid, gullible and brainwashed fool who starts shrieking about how wonderful people are and how much you love them . . . until it slowly dawns on you that you didn't actually understand what they were saying and when you finally realise their views contradict your own laughably naive and ignorant opinions then you start blubbering about how mean and nasty they are.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2023, 13:48
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19 Aug 2023, 13:48#17
What puzzles you HasBeen is shades of grey…life is way more complex than black and white. But for the record most of those positions you attribute to me are wrong. For example I was and remain a critic of Fauci….I do believe the West has handled Russia very stupidly….and I have great empathy for the Russian and Ukranian boys dying every day. But I don’t think the invaded country can be depicted as the responsible aggressor.
The trouble you chaps have is you simply don’t understand America. For example the health care industry is totally dependent on Philippine immigrants…..Trump supporters would rather work as waitresses where they can make a lot more money via tips. 
My advice is broaden your sources, read something from the other side occasionally….and my advice to Clever is to stop inventing his sources. A simple Google search will usually debunk the nonsense.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
19 Aug 2023, 14:36
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19 Aug 2023, 14:36#18

The trouble with America is they don't know there's a world outside.

Let's see if they can win the Olympics next year in Paris.Only won by one gold in Tokyo. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2023, 16:22
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19 Aug 2023, 16:22#19

Mozart

You sometimes quote papers and in the main you write BS  on site.   If I write something  you can be sure there are sources and if you really want them you can source them yourself since i normally indicates where the info came from.   Anyway you apparently beleive all he emdia garbage and lies ofc the Biden  crooks anyway.                

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2023, 16:25
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19 Aug 2023, 16:25#20

The country finished the Games with 113 medals, the most amongst all nations: 39 gold, 41 silver, and 33 bronze. These individual totals were each the highest of the Games, after a final-day tally of three gold medals (women's basketball, women's omnium, and women's volleyball) surpassed China's total of 38 golds.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2023, 16:26
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19 Aug 2023, 16:26#21

You ‘normally indicates’ nothing despite numerous requests Clever.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
19 Aug 2023, 16:38
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19 Aug 2023, 16:38#22

Yes the games are decided on gold medals... had always been... if tied on gold then silver decides...and so on. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2023, 18:00
#23
19 Aug 2023, 18:00#23

So what’s with the ‘one gold medal’

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
19 Aug 2023, 18:05
#24
19 Aug 2023, 18:05#24

One gold medal bwahahaha that is priceless yet its probably as close to the truth that pedobendover has ever posted on this site, how someone so stupid can exist without a machine to breath is beyond me.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
19 Aug 2023, 18:13
#25
19 Aug 2023, 18:13#25

Anyone else think pedobendover and pedobeeno share the same rubber cell?

The odds of 2 absolute morons on the same site must be in the trillions surely.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
19 Aug 2023, 18:23
#26
19 Aug 2023, 18:23#26

You're not from NZ Sadsader... you're a fake,told u long time ago, we have the Rugby World Cup. 

Mozzie.... Japan are the world baseball Champs, Spain basketball, Canada- ice hockey..... 

Shucks maybe USA are the American football Champs.. what a country. 


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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
19 Aug 2023, 18:41
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19 Aug 2023, 18:41#27
Care to tell me where I am from then since you are the all knowing one?
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
19 Aug 2023, 18:50
#28
19 Aug 2023, 18:50#28

Yet we have won 61 to your 38, will take that any day.

Boks are the ABs bitch.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
19 Aug 2023, 18:59
#29
19 Aug 2023, 18:59#29

And you have the highest winning % against us almost 39%.

Bet you would give your left testicle(if you had one) to be close to that.


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
19 Aug 2023, 19:23
#30
19 Aug 2023, 19:23#30

Dodgy Sader.....now he puts up some stats....like to convince nobody.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
19 Aug 2023, 19:38
#31
19 Aug 2023, 19:38#31

Come on then post some stats that prove me wrong.

Go on make up some BS like you always do but if you do I dare you to link me to something that backs your usual bs up bwahahaha  what a fucking idiot

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
19 Aug 2023, 20:29
#32
19 Aug 2023, 20:29#32

Typical pedo scurrys from the light when he is shown for the liar he is bwahahaha. 

Go on continue spooning with your boyfriend pedobenno. 

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
20 Aug 2023, 05:50
#33
20 Aug 2023, 05:50#33

Whoever is using the the Crusader handle is also a racist, atheists love to use diff accounts... since they have no conscience. Dodgy Sad Sader. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Aug 2023, 06:06
#34
20 Aug 2023, 06:06#34

What kind of Christian is too ashamed to say what denomination he belongs to?? Why so secretive ?

Draad will happily say he's NGKerk, Pakie/Protestant.

mozart, /Methodist  et cetera.


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
20 Aug 2023, 06:11
#35
20 Aug 2023, 06:11#35
You don't understand Christianity... makes no difference what denomination, you hate Christians and God
FYI Protestant is not a denomination. 
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Aug 2023, 06:25
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20 Aug 2023, 06:25#36

Every Christian that I know is more than happy to declare their religious affiliations ............. except for your sick sextet of evil-minded phony wannabes ........ sies & once more, voetsek .

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Aug 2023, 07:10
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20 Aug 2023, 07:10#37

As I said , time & time again, how can I hate what I don't believe exists.

Do you hate Santa?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Aug 2023, 07:37
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20 Aug 2023, 07:37#38

,,

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
20 Aug 2023, 07:43
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20 Aug 2023, 07:43#39

John15v17

If the world hates you remember it hated me first

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Aug 2023, 07:54
#40
20 Aug 2023, 07:54#40

If the world hates you remember it hated me first




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