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Foxconn….the first salvo

Started by Mozart18 REPLIES1,513 VIEWS· 25 Jun 2024, 18:33
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jun 2024, 18:33
#1
25 Jun 2024, 18:33#1

Bust and Boom

It was going to be one of the biggest deals of Donald Trump’s presidency. But it was a mirage.

President Joe Biden will be able to draw attention to his predecessor’s shortfall — even if only implicitly — when he travels tomorrow to Racine County, Wisconsin, home of what was supposed to be a multibillion dollar Foxconn plant that Trump once billed as the “eighth wonder of the world.”

That heavily subsidized deal with the Taiwanese manufacturing giant that Trump helped broker has turned out to be, at best, a fraction of what was touted: a much smaller factory footprint with just over 1,000 jobs rather than the 13,000 jobs promised. The site is still largely a sprawling field.

The location and timing gives Biden a opening to set out a contrast with Trump by arguing, essentially, that his predecessor was all talk.

The president regularly mocks Trump’s long-touted but unfruitful push to get an infrastructure deal, before Biden signed a bipartisan bill. Now he’ll point a light at the collapse of one of Trump’s signature projects.

Biden’s reelection hopes hinge in part on whether voters will ultimately give him credit for the economy, and tomorrow’s trip gives him a chance to hammer his message home. Polls, so far, show voters preferred the Trump economy.

The political stakes are high because of where the land is: the suburbs of Milwaukee in one of the most crucial battleground states in the election. Trump won the state in 2016 and Biden took it in 2020. It will be a close race there again.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jun 2024, 08:59
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26 Jun 2024, 08:59#2

Mozart

What con are you talking  about?   The above article reflects the true situation at present.    The qquestion is who atnds the Biden meeting nd how many do could indicate whether Biden si going to influence the outcome of the election.

Thus far Biden only dressed closed metings with wvery little public support in evidence and the question remains is hether that would continue.

The Foxcon is not an issue here - the Biden con is indeed one. This si the type of BS that cause question mark is that Trump tried to improve the conomy bty promoting projects like those, while Biden si actively promoting projects that produce BS all ove rthe show and drive up inflation.

Is this article another load of BS from the WSJ - the New York Times or CNN?

   

    

mrls as o the    

   

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jun 2024, 15:57
#3
26 Jun 2024, 15:57#3

Foxconn is a Trump sponsored tech development project in. Wisconsin that has flopped horribly. Let me guess, your sources never mentioned it. Be assured, you will hear a lot more about it before the election.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jun 2024, 16:46
#4
26 Jun 2024, 16:46#4

Mozart

Lets start off wit h th e fact that this is N OT a government funded project and the Govnment is not invovled wit h the actual development project.    It is common through out thw world support such development projects of such a huge scale - but the Government does not won the project.   Whayt youj are claimg is that Trump supported a private sector development - so he si responsible for the failure or on the oither hand promoted a project that was bound to fail.   So what you come up here is total BS propaganda.

Lets lookat what happens in fact constantly in local , provincial and central Government level, since you must be the stupid ever about  development projects,   In the case of any development must be submitted that deals with the objectives to be achievement - a development plan to be undertaken and the objective achievements and result - but the most importance specifically  ts the  fact that it must have an evaluation of funding needs for the project.   Based on scuientific and professional evaluation the banks wikll themn what t hey would fund.

A major development is not always completed to th e scale envisaged orginally and the BS spreding  is clear from the article.  Only a part of the Project has been completed and th e number of jobs created was reduced.

When type of project is envisaged aaand was properly planned it is common that policial leaders romote the rpokject and that is all that ahppewmned here.

So you are up to your normal BS spreading .   Trump emtoned an approvved project and promoted it - but he was not responsible for implmentinmg it and no taxpayer funding was invovled,  .

So lets look at capital expenditure on capital wrorks by the present Government,    The careful analysis of the situation is that the American Government approve the allocation of funding of $1,9 billion for caotal rojects funded by the Government as well as the allocation of contracts.   After six months the Contractor claimed he cannot complete the project unless the Government provide more funding,   It happened in the case of almost all contracts allocated after the famous infrastructure projects in the $1,9 billion allocated for infrastructure projects  

That in fact is how fraudlent practices flourished.   I have experience of what actually happned in those cases running into Billions of Rand.   When infrastructure upgrade is necessary a tender containing what is to be spent by the Municipality on upgarding.of associated infrastructure the full business plan became aprt of the tender.    When the tenders come in I attended amny meetings of the tender adviosors and consultants.    In the evaluation we normally cut out inflated contracts and refused supporting acceptance of inflated tenders,    In some cases the evaualation committee would be negotiating a lower price for the project and the tenderers would eaccept that.   

However, that seems to have gone out of the window when it comes to the present situation in both the USA and in SA.   The difference is that tight financial amanagement prevent bribery and corruptio  and in America and SA it is rife.  

As an example  the US Auditor General found that $5,4 billion of Covid funds for aiid to businesses were spent fraudulently vanishing into this air  and called for action.   So far a few cases in Minnesota was laid - but for the bulk nothing was done.

If you are looking for a scandal - find something  real - maladminsitration, corruption and fruitless expenditure is the norm resulting from the present regime.    

Where did you get that article from anyway?   

                      

         

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Jun 2024, 18:40
#6
26 Jun 2024, 18:40#6

Moz, what's your stance on Trump ATM...obviously better than Biden, not ideal, but still competent? Or worse...you seem to have turned coat...I agree that his reaction to the 2020 loss was not correct,  but that does not totally disqualify him as candidate.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jun 2024, 19:32
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26 Jun 2024, 19:32#7

Draad it’s a horrible dilemma. I do think his behavior after the election was unforgivable and his loyal lieutenants like Giuliani have paid the price. Part of having a democracy is a gracious transfer of power. Even the disgraceful Al Gore played by those rules.

I also think his debate performance and communication during COVID was pretty pathetic. He better come across as much more presidential in this upcoming debate.

But Biden has never been the swiftest arrow and is now just a senile parrot of lines fed to him. And it’s dangerous having a man in charge who can’t talk man to man to other world leaders.

I don’t think Trump is a threat to democracy, the system is too robust. But I do think he is capable of doing something rash. But Biden is clearly out of touch and unlikely to effectively use American influence.

So at this stage I’m undecided…the VP choice might help. Various names have been put forward, including Rubio who would supposedly move the Latino vote.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Jun 2024, 20:11
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26 Jun 2024, 20:11#8

Trump's first step to being more presidential would be remove ridiculing of his opponent from his campaign. It's juvenile and kind of pathetic, however much his power base may enjoy it. They're like two kids thumbing their noses at each other from across the classroom.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jun 2024, 01:48
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27 Jun 2024, 01:48#9

Mozart

I read the article - a simple fact many private develiopers over the last century  had done and every Political Head throughout the world has supported such projects.

 So the private developer did not live up to his promises  for some reason or another and now Trump gets blamed for it.   It is amazing  that someone like you can fall for shit like that.

Let me tell youi someting I may have been a Municipal worker - but I was also the top advisor on Education finance of National Treasury - I was director of economic development in the Municipality and leader of the development program that entails building plan s  approval at an average rate of R2,3 billion a month.   I also was regarded as the top person on issues of development and adressed two international conference - one in England and one in Germany on developmental issues.   I attended a large number of meetings in SA on development issue and was praised by Thabo Mbeki - who sent deputations from all oer SA to get advice on development issues.   

 I alaso was responsible for provatization of water and swerage services in the Ballito and southern areas of the Dolphn Coast area - a fiorst in  SA - which entail an example that became promted by sectors of the Government and sabotaged by the Biden of SA called Jacob Zuma.

I dealt with scores of projects like you scream crazily about and realized yet again you are talking shit as to be expected.   You must really be desperate.    I do think that an idiot like you would be welcomed by the crooked dremocrats, because  you are stupid enough to fall for BS.

In any event I was also lecturing at Stellenboch on the emthods to eb used to protct the public on major municipal servoce rpivatzation of Government services,              

   


  

  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2024, 05:29
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27 Jun 2024, 05:29#10

Just another government employee spending the public’s taxes.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jun 2024, 06:31
#11
27 Jun 2024, 06:31#11

No Mozart

 The municipality did not spent money on me  and the attendance of overseas conferences were funded by private donations.   Your ideas about spending money was as per normal BS.   In cases in SA the conference organizers paid for my travel and hotel costs - so again the village idiot spout BS.

But then the Municipality income between 3003 and 2008 increased from R360 million in 2003 to R1,250 billion in 2008.     I will tell you another fact dimness - I was 65 in 2007.   I had leave due due to me and appied for leave to go to France for the 2007 RWC. and inform the  Municipality I will not return to work for them after my return from France.   Howeve that did not work out s I wished.  A day after my return from France the Municipality sent a vehicle to my House with the request that I go to the Municipal office - where they offered me an appointment on contract basis which was  only terminated when I was 70 years old in 2012.   

So another load of BS by Mozart based on what is routine when it comes to looting by US politicians and bureaucrats of taxpayer money.    Not for me that one.   I waa brought up to be honest - the same can never be said of you.

               

          

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2024, 12:56
#12
27 Jun 2024, 12:56#12

Even worse…the people whose projects you had to approve, paid for your trips. Corporate boxes on steroids.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jun 2024, 13:27
#13
27 Jun 2024, 13:27#13

No Mozart - you are th rowing  a hissy fit about something  you know zero about.   

In any event this is not about me - it is about an idiotic hissy fit you screamed about under this threat and when exposed  you start personal attacks on me.   You are a real D emcorats - i.f you cannot find a way out aof a mess they created - you started sereading lies on site.   Keep supporting the Democrats - theya re wexactly the same as you are.

I kn ow you are Jewish  - but you apparently does not attend anythin g insuynagogues ever - so if Muslim fanatics to Jewish  people like happened yesterday it would unfortunately not affect you, since the riots and attacks are rganized by two terrorist subsidiairies of the Demcoratic Party called BM and Antifa and funded by George Soros - a major funder of your party as well.\

But then according to you thata ttack neve happened becuse it was never emntioned in the fake media.   Democrats can eb equated as "low life" and you belong with them anyway.                        

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jun 2024, 13:27
#14
27 Jun 2024, 13:27#14

No Mozart - you are th rowing  a hissy fit about something  you know zero about.   

In any event this is not about me - it is about an idiotic hissy fit you screamed about under this threat and when exposed  you start personal attacks on me.   You are a real D emcorats - i.f you cannot find a way out aof a mess they created - you started sereading lies on site.   Keep supporting the Democrats - theya re wexactly the same as you are.

I kn ow you are Jewish  - but you apparently does not attend anythin g insuynagogues ever - so if Muslim fanatics to Jewish  people like happened yesterday it would unfortunately not affect you, since the riots and attacks are rganized by two terrorist subsidiairies of the Demcoratic Party called BM and Antifa and funded by George Soros - a major funder of your party as well.\

But then according to you thata ttack neve happened becuse it was never emntioned in the fake media.   Democrats can eb equated as "low life" and you belong with them anyway.                        

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2024, 13:36
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27 Jun 2024, 13:36#15

Actually nowhere did I say I believe this article…..all I said was this is the first Democratic salvo against the Trump economic record. It may be a half truth or even a quarter truth…but it works politically.

The Dems are very good at this and Trump has left a closet full of material.

Stop ranting and you might even be able to participate in an adult debate.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2024, 13:56
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27 Jun 2024, 13:56#16

And by the way….I am Anglican not Jewish.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jun 2024, 14:58
#17
27 Jun 2024, 14:58#17

Obviously the dems are very good at lying as well.   Personal attacks on Trump is not the issue - what is is the disastrous record of the Biden administration.    They have come out with  strings of false stats - eg about crime and nobody actually believe it.     

Incidentally - if people believe that  type of attack ss you posted  - it msut show how stupid they really are.

In any event - France has a Parliamentary election on Sunday (IRound 1) and 7 July (Round 2) and the UK a similar election next week in the UK.

If the same trend in Europe since November last year is still in evidence - the leftist parties in France is not going to do well.    Macron's Party - center-left - is going  to vanish into thin air if the EU election snf opinion polls are borne in mind.   In the UK three months ago I saw that Labor would get 41 % and last week it was down to 27%,    Where did the voiters go who indicate their support of Labor 3 months     It would be interesting to see, 

Why I am saying that is th fact that Biden's Policies on virtually all issues are similar to the EU policicies applied until before the EU election.     What happened in the EU countries are clear- the ;eftist and ultra-leftist lost badly in the EU elections and the center parties in Europe are now moving to the right to prevent them from sufering the same fate that  befell the leftst parties happening to them as well.     Example the present coalition partners in Germany  are in serious trouble - there support had dwindled to being on par with the rightwing AfD - the second biggest party in Germany.   

            

      

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Jun 2024, 17:00
#18
27 Jun 2024, 17:00#18
"I kn ow you are Jewish "
Moffstein? Moffowitz? Moffenberg?
LMAO!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jun 2024, 17:50
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27 Jun 2024, 17:50#19

Hahaha I prefer Mozzoschitz. 

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