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Full List of Putin Critics Who Have Died in Mysterious Circumstances

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Feb 2024, 05:59
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19 Feb 2024, 05:59#1

For over two decades, President Vladimir Putin has squeezed dissent in Russia. Critics, journalists, and defectors have faced dire consequences after opposing him. From poisonings to shootings, mysterious falls from windows, and even plane crashes, there is a long trail of silenced voices.

Alexei Navalny, whose death in prison is as yet unexplained, had previously fallen ill on a flight from Siberia to Moscow in 2020 after being poisoned with Novichok, a nerve agent. Alexander Litvinenko, a former Russian spy who defected and was a prominent Putin critic, was murdered with polonium-210 in London in 2016.

Other deaths of opposition figures under Putin's rule also appear to follow a pattern. Boris Nemtsov, shot dead near the Kremlin, and Stanislav Markelov, assassinated in Moscow alongside journalist Anastasia Baburova, are just two examples. Natalia Estemirova, abducted and found dead in Chechnya, and Anna Politkovskaya, an investigative journalist murdered in her Moscow apartment building, also paid the ultimate price following their dissent.

Newsweek has contacted Russia's Foreign Ministry for comment by email.

Here are 10 prominent Putin critics who have died in assassinations or mysterious circumstances.

Alexei Navalny

  • Age: 47
  • Date of Death: February 16, 2024
  • Cause of Death: Alexei Navalny died in prison. The Russian prison service reported that he felt unwell after a walk and lost consciousness.
  • Biography: Alexei Navalny was a prominent critic of Vladimir Putin. He gained global attention in 2020 when he survived a poisoning with the nerve agent Novichok. Navalny willingly returned to Russia from Germany in 2021, where he had received treatment for the previous poisoning. Upon his return, he was promptly arrested. Navalny was known for exposing corruption, investigating Putin's inner circle, and leading anti-Kremlin opposition movements. His death is likely to be seen by fellow opposition members as a political assassination attributable to Putin, but is as yet unexplained.
  • Mikhail Lesin

    • Age: 57
    • Date of Death: November 5, 2015
    • Cause of Death: Mikhail Lesin was a former Russian press minister and media executive. He fell out of favor with Putin and faced scrutiny for his wealth. Lesin was found dead in a Washington, D.C. hotel room. The official cause of death was ruled as accidental blunt force injuries, but questions persist about the circumstances.

    Boris Nemtsov

    • Age: 55
    • Date of Death: February 27, 2015
    • Cause of DeathBoris Nemtsov was shot dead on a bridge near the Kremlin. His murder remains unsolved, but many believe it was politically motivated. Nemtsov was a vocal critic of Putin's government, advocating for democracy, human rights, and transparency. He served as a deputy prime minister under President Boris Yeltsin and later became a prominent opposition figure.

    Boris Berezovsky

    • Age: 67
    • Date of Death: March 23, 2013
    • Cause of Death: Boris Berezovsky was a wealthy businessman, oligarch, and former ally of Putin. However, he became a vocal critic and fled to the U.K. Berezovsky was found dead in his home in Berkshire, England. The official cause of death was ruled as suicide, but suspicions remain due to his high-profile opposition activities.

    Sergei Magnitsky

    • Age: 37
    • Date of Death: November 16, 2009
    • Cause of Death: Sergei Magnitsky was a lawyer and auditor who exposed a massive tax fraud scheme involving Russian officials. He was arrested, imprisoned, and denied medical treatment. Magnitsky died in custody following severe beatings and medical neglect. His death led to the passing of the Magnitsky Act in the United States, which sanctions Russian officials involved in human rights abuses and corruption.

    Stanislav Markelov

    • Age: 34
    • Date of Death: January 19, 2009
    • Cause of Death: Stanislav Markelov was a human rights lawyer and journalist. He was assassinated in Moscow by a gunman who also killed journalist Anastasia Baburova. Markelov had represented victims of human rights abuses and criticized the Russian government's actions in Chechnya. His death raised concerns about the safety of those opposing the regime.

    Anastasia Baburova

    • Age: 25
    • Date of Death: January 19, 2009
    • Cause of Death: Anastasia Baburova, a journalist and activist, was shot dead alongside human rights lawyer Stanislav Markelov in Moscow. She had reported on neo-Nazi groups and political violence. Her murder remains unsolved, but it is believed to be connected to her activism.

    Natalia Estemirova

    • Age: 50
    • Date of Death: July 15, 2009
    • Cause of DeathNatalia Estemirova, a human rights activist and journalist, was abducted in Grozny, Chechnya, and found dead later that day. She had documented human rights violations in Chechnya and criticized the government. Her murder remains unsolved, but it is widely believed to be connected to her activism and criticism of the Chechen authorities.

    Anna Politkovskaya

    • Age: 48
    • Date of Death: October 7, 2006
    • Cause of Death: Anna Politkovskaya, an investigative journalist, was shot dead in her apartment building in Moscow. She had reported extensively on human rights abuses, corruption, and the war in Chechnya. Her work was critical of Putin's government, and her murder sparked international outrage. Despite investigations, the masterminds behind her killing have not been brought to justice.

    Yuri Shchekochikhin

    • Age: 53
    • Date of Death: July 3, 2003
    • Cause of DeathYuri Shchekochikhin was a journalist, writer, and member of the Russian State Duma. He investigated corruption, organized crime, and human rights abuses. Shchekochikhin suddenly fell ill and died from an unknown cause. Some suspect poisoning, but the circumstances remain unclear.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 Feb 2024, 06:12
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19 Feb 2024, 06:12#2
Don't forget Pigoshit.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Feb 2024, 06:43
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19 Feb 2024, 06:43#3

Yes and also the ones who were poisoned but survived by some miracle.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Feb 2024, 10:30
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19 Feb 2024, 10:30#4

 Sure Putin had them all killed - especially the two that died in Washington and London and you have proof of who killed them.   There are over 200 people murdered a month in Chicago - all of them killed by the Police acting on instruction of Trump.  There re hundreds of supporters of Trump who killed 5 policemaen in Washington and the name of one was released and turned out to have died 3 days after the incident from natural causes.   The other four names were never released - but you believe that BS.    Biden said all opposition to him are "White domestic terrorists" and you fall for that BS as well.    Officially there are a proven rate of 3,7 people murdered for evey 100 000 residents.   I most citise in the  USA  it is on average over 5 times that figure .   For every murder in Moscow there are at least  in USA  cities here are a least  10 times that numbe.- every murder in  Moscow is political every murder in the USA  are due to White domestic terrorism.   So believe the BS you read in the media. and enjoy yourself    /   .

Wonder what happened to Sef Rich - murder never solved how many other people were killed in the USA  for political reasons and no killers never found.    Trump will be murdered before January 2025 - of that you can be bloody sure - and somebody totally unrelated to his murder who committed suicide will be accused of the murder.    In 2020 there were 46 innocent people killed in USA  inner cities killed by rioters organized by the Democratic Party and their fundes - 13 of them police officers.   the US A  justice department knw who they were and released them without charging them with murder.    The governor of Missouri was particularly perturbed by the murder of a respected retired Black police officer and appointed a private lawyer to prosecute the murderers after the Democratic Party DA  refused to prosecute them.   After all the evidence was presented it took a jury an hour to find the two rioters guilty of murder.   What about the murder of the other 45 people killed by firearms and Molotov cocktails provided to the rioters on an organized basis.      The one guy- a 17 year-old boy Biden accused of being a racialist was attacked by three Antifa supporters for trying to put out a fie started by the rioters and he ran away from them towards the Police 300 hundred meters from the place where the incident took place.   He fell while running away and one of the a firearm aiming to shoot him - he had a gun with him and shot and killed two of the three attackers and wounded a third in the arm.   So he was charged with murder - but unfortunately for the media the judge and jury was shown what was recorded on the security cameras in the area and it was clear he acted in sel-defense.    The jury found him innocent of murder as he acted in self-defense - so Biden and the media went ballistic about him being a racialist murderer.     Biden and the media  went ballistic and accused him of racist killing of people.   Problem was the three attackers were all White and they all had criminal records a mile long.    That qualified hem as real supporters of the  Democrats.   The lies resulted in libel claims to the tune of  $1 250 Billion from each of Biden himself and five news media agencies and they are now squirming and trying to reach settlements .with him.   Instead of using the money Biden looted  while VP and now as President the taxpayers will have to pay Biden's settlement - while the media will have to settle the claims themselves.   Based on the Sandmann case the settlements will be set at 20% of what was originally claimed   amount - so the now 19 year-old Rinkelhouse new billionaire in the USA,   They will pay up and insist the settlements must be kept secret   So lets forget about the Russian political murders and realize that the USA is the real country thriving of murder of political opponents.   In 2017 while training for a sports day between the supporters of the two House parties - the Republican members were shot at by the Demcorat o organized and took part in the election campaign of Senator Sanders and seriously injured 11 House members - one of whom were crippled for life.   The attacker was killed by Policemen on duty - but the matter was never further investigated to fund out whether other politicians wee involved in the incident.    .   

 You ever read about the above in the media you quoted as true?   So forget about it - you are both on the side o the murderers in the USA - just like the media and the Democrats are.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Feb 2024, 10:39
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19 Feb 2024, 10:39#5

same old...


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Feb 2024, 10:53
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19 Feb 2024, 10:53#6

You have no proof bar media propaganda that any of the people listed above relates to murder by the Russian Government.   I looked at acts and figures and it became clear that political character assassination and media propaganda is all you have to rely on.    There is no proof of anything ther th an BS claims you apparently support.     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Feb 2024, 11:03
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19 Feb 2024, 11:03#7


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Feb 2024, 12:29
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19 Feb 2024, 12:29#8

The proof of the stupidity of Dense Denise is that he attacks on an issue like this.

Kamal Harris paid money to get BLM Looters and criminals out on bail.

Its got so bad in demonrats cities that Soros funded DAs let rapist and killers out as a matter of course.

Then we have terrorists, drugs human traffickers flooding into America causing carnage.

I hear that using a subway in New York today is very dangerous. 

What this half brain dense dense doesn't realize is that crime affects the poor most of all and is one of the big drivers for Black and Hispanics to start voting GOP.

Moscow on the other hand is clean safe and a beautiful city. No LGBT freaks on the streets or invaders causing chaos. 

Well he isn't called dense for nothing, 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Feb 2024, 12:49
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19 Feb 2024, 12:49#9

How about the Clinton body count. One guy died via suicide with two bullets shots to the back of the head.

How about the fact that the USA under Globalist rule is the biggest terrorist state in the World by FAR.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Feb 2024, 13:23
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19 Feb 2024, 13:23#10

THE LIST OF CLINTON ASSOCIATES WHO DIED MYSTERIOUSLY. CHECK IT OUT.


THE CLINTON DEAD POOL

1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder …happened just after she was to go public w:th her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3 – Vince Foster – Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller commited suicide.

5 – C. Victor Raiser, II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor”.

7 – Ed Willey – Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..

11 – Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington ,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21 – Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ‘s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

23 – Barry Seal – Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.

24 – Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26 – Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.

27 – Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29 – Keith McMaskle – Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

32 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes”.

34 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 – Major General William Robertson
40 – Col. William Densberger
41 – Col. Robert Kelly
42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 – Steve Willis
44 – Robert Williams
45 – Conway LeBleu
46 – Todd McKeehan

And the most recent, Seth Rich, the DC staffer murdered and “robbed” (of nothing) on July 10. Wikileaks found Assange claims he had info on the DNC email scandal.

Not Included in this list are the 4 men killed in Benghazi.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Feb 2024, 14:10
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19 Feb 2024, 14:10#11
The Russia Bots rush to defend the intimidation and suspicious death of Navalny. 
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
19 Feb 2024, 14:41
#12
19 Feb 2024, 14:41#12

LOL the Clinton Dead list...haven't seen that one in a while.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
19 Feb 2024, 14:54
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19 Feb 2024, 14:54#13

I do not think that anyone is defending any of the deaths listed but it just illustrates the limits to which politics has sunk and the cover-ups that have been committed in schielding those in power.

Yet the guy who exposed the corruption at the highest level is held in isolation in the USA after being transferred from the UK.

WHY is the question.


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Feb 2024, 22:57
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19 Feb 2024, 22:57#14

AJ...you disappoint. Being held in captivity is much more than the cold blooded murder of those who dare to criticize Putin. We might agree to disagree on Trump but on Putin there is no option. As for Beennutter and DumbMike.....the two Putin Lackeys have never ever voiced any criticism.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Feb 2024, 07:33
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20 Feb 2024, 07:33#15

I will never defend Putin again like I defended the Russian Constitution that is what I dealt with.    If Putin or hsi Government was involved in the murder of Navalsky or caused any bodily harm to him - I would side against Putin in that case.   

However, in this case there is no evidence as yet.   Apparently the body was moved to a major evaluation center in Moscow for investigation as to the cause of death.   The story spread thus far is just allegations - mostly propaganda.   I do not think scientists in Russia are as stupid as they are made tout o be on site and has spoken out against Government actions in the past.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Feb 2024, 13:30
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20 Feb 2024, 13:30#16

You would side against Putin on Navalsky, but say nothing about the children who are dead today in the Ukraine to serve his vanity. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Feb 2024, 15:59
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20 Feb 2024, 15:59#17

No0 Mzart

I am for peace in Ukraine and  Putin did not want war either.  Lets accept one thing you lied aout on site repeatedly  and that was that after an election in 2013 monitored by tjhe EU a President was elected.    Some people did not want to accept the result and in 2013 protests against the outcome occurred in Kiev.   It lasted for four months and was organized by the CIA and financed through  the US  Embassy in Kiev.     The elected President did not want a blood bath in Ukraine and decided to leave the country.   So what happened next?   The Ukraine constitution was thrown out of the window and the US Government appointed a new Cabinet in Ukraine - the then Assistant Secretary of State Nuland on a video bragged about who should be appointed in what positions and went further by promising the appointed Ministers that  she would arrange for them to meet Biden - the then  VP..  They were appointed and are still serving in the positions they got then.    

Since then  - the Ukraine Government was totally controlled from Washington and Washington sabotaged two agreements to settle the problems in Ukraine negotiated by Germany and    France.   After the  war broke out  -  Turkey tried to arrange a ceasefire and according  to the Turkish Government suggested there were progress made and a ceasefire agreement was ready for initialling an agreement, when the Ukraine  Foreign Minsiter was instructed by the State  Department not to sign anything and leave Istanbul.    In the meantime the Ukraine Government budget was covered in full by the USA  and the war went on.     There is effectively no independent Government in Ukraine - there are people appointed by te USA serving in the  UJkraine Cabinet.   

So who is responsible for the killing of Children in Ukraine?   THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA..    The above are all proven by documents not by  propaganda media BS.   Live with it - you supported murderous bastards and quote media propaganda on site - a Government invovled in sabotaging peace negotiations.   

I will not hide away from the truth - if it is proven that Putin or his Government has a hand in the death of Navalsky I would condemn him totally - as much as I condemn the Government of the USA managing a war in a country where democracy has collapsed because of the  USA  Government. 

I condemn the war  in Ukraine and from the start said the issues should eb solved by negotiation - but I learned that the USA did not want negotiations - they wanted war all along  and they got it.     .             .  

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Feb 2024, 18:08
#18
20 Feb 2024, 18:08#18

"You would side against Putin on Navalsky, but say nothing about the children who are dead today in the Ukraine to serve his vanity. "

Same can be said about Zelensky's "vanity"...yes I know Putin invaded and Ukkraine is a sovereign state and they have 100% the right to defend themselves,  but a zero compromise attitude from Ukraine in this situation is fucking stupid...telling the school bully to go fuck himself with no way to escape being bullied is just plain daft...there are other avenues to explore...children are dying...a country is being destroyed...a whole generation lost...stop the fucking fighting NOW...make a deal and consolidate...this isn't rocket science. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Feb 2024, 19:31
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20 Feb 2024, 19:31#19

Someone breaks into your home, he's heading towards your kids' bedrooms ................ ah, I think its time to adopt a compromising attitude.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Feb 2024, 20:28
#20
20 Feb 2024, 20:28#20
make a deal and consolidate...this isn't rocket science.

How did that work out for Czec hoslovakia back in 1938?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Feb 2024, 23:38
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20 Feb 2024, 23:38#21
Democracy has supposedly collapsed in the Ukraine but flourishes in Russia. But given it was the US who supposedly wanted this war all along, how stupid of Russia to give them what they wanted.
Russia bots drowning in their own theories.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Feb 2024, 00:00
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21 Feb 2024, 00:00#22

I wonder how the Russians would've handled a 'Jan 6'  in Moscow?

Ffs placing a flower on a memorial or protesting holding a blank poster gets you jailed.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Feb 2024, 01:07
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21 Feb 2024, 01:07#23

"Someone breaks into your home, he's heading towards your kids' bedrooms ................ ah, I think its time to adopt a compromising attitude."

Survival 1st and foremost...Putin is a problem the world must deal with, but firs the killing must stop.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
21 Feb 2024, 01:23
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21 Feb 2024, 01:23#24

Oh dear......compromise with a dictator???.....how do you do that?.... how do you compromise with someone who's invaded your house, killed your family and claimed a part of the house and is never going to give it back?

Anyone know? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Feb 2024, 03:41
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21 Feb 2024, 03:41#25

Mozart

Democracy did collapse in Ukrasine  and totally so.   The country has -

*    no Constitution in place guaranteeing human rights place;

*    arrested the opposition members of Parliament  and has had no idea whether they are still alive;

*     banned the usage of Russian in public -  even millions of people whose home language are Russian - may not speak Russian in  public and has to pay fines if they do;

*     there is n freedom of speech in Ukraine and despite 36^% of residents people use Russian as home language  the chools are NOT alowed t teach  ussian either as 

*      the  teaching of children in their home language have been banned;

*      the  funtioning of the church of which 80% of the people belong  are banned;

*      even mild criticism of  the present Govenment are banned and an American citizens even reporting mild criticism of the Government are arrested and died in prison because he reported something the Ukraine Government did not like - and was not allowed to be hospitalize and medically treated;

*      nothing may be published in Ukraine without approval of the Ukraine Government;

*     has a policy amounting  to ethnic cleansing to he effect that  people who speak  the Russian language or culture must be cleared out of Ukraine;

Ask yourself - what elements of democracy is left in Ukraine - no constotition protecting human rights - no freedom of speech - no religious freedom;   Does that represent democracy?  Is there any democracy left in Ukraine?     

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Feb 2024, 04:36
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21 Feb 2024, 04:36#26

Get the fighting to stop by any means necessary and then deal with Putin.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Feb 2024, 08:33
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21 Feb 2024, 08:33#27
Get the fighting to stop by any means necessary and then deal with Putin.
So give Putin what he wants now, because that will make him easier to deal with later?
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Feb 2024, 17:17
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21 Feb 2024, 17:17#28

...or keep on fighting till nobody is left...and Putin gets what he wants anyway...with added destruction.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Feb 2024, 18:37
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21 Feb 2024, 18:37#29
Or keep fighting until the Russian's go home...and Putin gets nothing...with added freedom.


 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Feb 2024, 18:59
#30
21 Feb 2024, 18:59#30

...how's your math?...It is amazing what the Ukrainians have achieved on the battlefield these past 2 years, but it's not sustainable...not even with all the aid in the world...I saw what the Boer war did to my nation...more than a century after it happened...this is infinitely worse...there is no glory in wiping out a nation for stupid pride...wasn't in 1899...and not today either.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Feb 2024, 20:09
#31
21 Feb 2024, 20:09#31
How's yours?

Ukraine had a pre-war population of about 42 million. No one knows the exact number of casualties on both sides, but the US estimated back in December Ukraine had lost 70,000 killed from the start of the war through to August 2023 with another 100,000 to 120,000 injured.

Ukraine put the total number of number killed at 35,000 killed, 15,000 missing, 3,400 captured and between 90,000-100,000 wounded as of November 2023.
In addition around 11,000 civilians have been killed and another 11,000 reported as missing.
Russia puts a much higher number on the Ukrainian killed but their numbers are considered highly dubious as they have they have made all manner of exaggerated claims in the past. Ukraine estimates of Russian losses are also likely to be exaggerated but are consider somewhat more credible than Russia's. Most analysts of the conflict are of the view that Russia has lost considerably more forces than Ukraine has so far.

Compared to other conflicts in that past, tragic as the loss of life is, those numbers are sustainable, for several more years at least (assuming the west adequately supplies Ukraine). France with a smaller population at the start of World War 1 compared to Ukraine at the start of the Russian invasion in 2022 sustained 1,357,000 to 1,397,800 military deaths and a further 340,000 civilian deaths and ultimately went on to win the war.

And if Ukraine had all the aid in the world they would probably be in Moscow by now.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Feb 2024, 20:11
#32
21 Feb 2024, 20:11#32

there is no glory in wiping out a nation for stupid pride

And one last time Ukraine is not fighting for glory, they are fighting for their survival.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Feb 2024, 03:44
#33
22 Feb 2024, 03:44#33
I disagree the Boer resistance led to the Union which they ended up running. In large part because of the sense of national pride gained through the war. Then they made the mistake of alienating possible allies and cloning themselves in greater numbers, by marginalizing the Africans the same way they had been marginalized.
Then suddenly, they capitulated, not holding out for basic protections. And the Tribe is disintegrating. Capitulation has been far more damaging than the effects of war.
If  Ukraine capitulates the same fate will befall them….second class citizens under hostile masters.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Feb 2024, 04:34
#34
22 Feb 2024, 04:34#34

The Union could have been achieved without the war...we would never know...and I'm not saying Ukraine should surrender to Russia...there should atleast be an attemt to stop the fighting. It makes no sense that there can't be another solution than war...I can not accept that.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Feb 2024, 08:27
#35
22 Feb 2024, 08:27#35

The most hostile master in history will be the Globalist Cabal. The clearly intend to enslave humanity and eliminate some 7 billion "useless eaters". 

Everything the Globalist dupes here accuse Russia of the USA is just as bad or worse. 

I will post a great deep dive into the rotter Navalny. By the way Reuters had an article showing Navalny had 2 percent support in Russia. Any idea this nobody was a threat to Putin is absurd. Most Russians didnt even know who he was. His death is being used for propaganda purposes while the death of that American journalist in Ukraine while in jail is being ignored by the Globalist media.

The Globalist dupes here and arch Globalist scumbag mozzietard. Ignore what is happening in the USA. 

They ignore the J6 people still in prison and have had no trial years later. They ignore J6 suicides, grannies in prison and the failure of prosecutors to provide exculpatory evidence. 

They ignore the Weaponization of the justice system, FBI and CIA. The blatant persecution of political opponents. 

They ignore the release of murders and rapists by Soros Funded corrupt DAs. 

The ignore the consequences of open borders. The drug death like the 300 per day from Fentanyl alone. The human trafficking, sex trafficking, child trafficking etc and the pouring in of terrorists, cartel members etc the burden on taxpayers, schools and hospitals. 

They ignore the war on energy and food and the effects on ordinary people. 

They ignore the censorship going on dispite the First Ammendment. 

They ignore all that is wrong with Ukraine. The tyrannical nature of a government riddles with NAZIS. The shot down of the press, banning the opposition, warring on the Ukraine Orthodox Church and the rampant corruption. 

The ignore the precedents to the war and who instigated the war, who prevented any peace deals and who props up this proxy war. 

They ignore the money laundering going on. The money being made by the milkary industrial complex and sleazy politicians and of course the avarice controlled and void of conscience or ethics investors like Mozzietard. So unaware is this scumbag that he actually boasted about how well his Raytheon shares were doing. 

They of course ignore the when LGBT perversion and the grooming of children. They ignore thanks mutilation of children and their sterization via puperty blockers. They also ignore the porn on Scholls, the CRT brainwashing and abortions where done 63 million unborms were murdered. 

They ignore the war on energy and on food production. In their rampant stupidity they  ignore the Globalist war on energy and food. The Gllbalist destruction of peoples and civilizations  So profoundly brain washed are these nutjobs that they also ignore the Globalist dream of us owning nothing by 2030. More fatally they ignore the Globalist dream of elimination 7 billion people. 

Basically these unthinking nutjobs are cannon fodder for Globalist propaganda. 

Under Globalist rule the USA is the biggest terrorist country in the world. Many people in the US today are corript and degraded by years of Luciferian propaganda. 

Thankfully a GREAT AWAKENING is gaining momentum. 

As for STAVASS he is batting hard for the Globalists. He says zip about the protests happening all over Ireland because of the invasion of Ireland and nothing about the Draconian censorship laws the Globalist government wants to introduce! 

Now consider is Rusdia guilty of all this BS. Yet the Mamparas, the M ongs here think they have the moral high ground on Putin. How totally absurd do you get. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Feb 2024, 08:46
#36
22 Feb 2024, 08:46#36

So corrupt and depraved are these disgusting leftists Globalists. That the don't know the difference between a man and a women. Men can play in female sports. Men can have babies and Tampons are placed on boys bathrooms on schools.

There are now some 100 sexed. It is hate speech is you misgendering some dude. 

Guys are placed in females Prisons with obvious consequences. 

In New York people are afraid to go into a subway.

Is this the case in Russia all you stinking Hypocrites!

Invaders are give up to 10,000 dollars, get medical benefits and are put up in 5 start hotels. Children are moved out of their schools to accommodate the invaders. The American people are put last. 

Again does this aooali g treatment happen in Russia.

America is 34 trillion in debt dispite having an enormous econom. Decades of deliberate sabotage have caused this. 

Russia appears to not have anything like as much deny taking into a punt it's population. 

Nobody can dispute the fact since Putin took over Russians have become a lot better off. 

How about under the perverted Corript ligitimare Biden. 

American cities are cesspool of corruption, violence anx are disintegration under demonrat rule.

Take of loom at Tuckers video when he rckfe MOSCOW.OOM AT THEIR UNDERGROUND it's a work of art. Moscow had clean streets, are safe a d it's a tally a beautiful city.

Compare this to NYC, LA, CHICAGO ETC. 

PUTIN wins again. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Feb 2024, 08:50
#37
22 Feb 2024, 08:50#37

Does a this mean Putin gets it right all the time no. 

I strongly disagree with his stance on Israel I do this on biblical  grounds and be aude they are facing the second worse ideology after Globalism.

What I do say it's laughable for corrupt treasonous Globalists and their dupes to try and criticised Putin when they are far worse. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Feb 2024, 15:35
#38
22 Feb 2024, 15:35#38

Just two data points HasBeen….I have never bragged about my small position in Raytheon, it has done poorly. I have pointed this out to you many times and you are deliberately lying about it. 

Secondly there are no January 6th people in jail without a trial, who are not accused  of a violent crime. Conflating the Russian and US justice systems is absurd.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Feb 2024, 01:40
#39
23 Feb 2024, 01:40#39

The last couple of posts have nothing to do with the subject header, globalism appears to be a stock standard repetitive deflection...... boring could become a health threat.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Feb 2024, 07:52
#40
26 Feb 2024, 07:52#40

globalism/beansht/ bollocks

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