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How does this happen in New Zealand???

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2019, 05:13
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15 Mar 2019, 05:13#1

The following frim MSB:-


"Armed police have been deployed following a shooting at a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand.

Police declared a “critical incident” at the Masjid Al Noor mosque in Deans Avenue – where up to 500 people are thought to have been worshipping – and said an “active shooter” was in the area.

Reports suggested a second shooting may have taken place at a mosque in the Linwood suburb.

Radio New Zealand (RNZ), the public broadcaster, cited a witness as saying he had seen four people on the ground and “blood everywhere”.

Another person claimed a man had opened fire inside the mosque with an automatic weapon, while witness Len Peneha told AP he saw a man dressed in black enter the building before shots rang out.

Mr Peneha said he then saw the gunman flee before police arrived and that when he went inside he saw “dead people everywhere”.

Others witnesses told the New Zealand Herald they had heard more than two dozen gunshots.

Canterbury Police said on Twitter: “We have a critical incident in Deans Ave Christchurch. Please avoid the area. We will give more in the near future.”

Members of the Bangladesh cricket team were reportedly caught up in the Deans Avenue incident but not harmed.

New Zealand police commissioner Mike Bush said in a statement: “Police are responding [at] full capability to manage the situation, but the risk environment remains extremely high.

“Police recommend that residents across Christchurch remain off the streets and indoors until further notice. Christchurch schools will be locked down until further notice.”

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RNZ cited Mustafa Farouk, the head of the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand, as saying between 300 and 500 worshippers were likely inside the mosque at the time of the attack. He said he had been told at least six people were wounded.

“Horrified to hear of Christchurch mosque shootings. There is never a justification for that sort of hatred,” said Amy Adams, a member of parliament from the city.

As well as locking down schools, police have reportedly cleared Cathedral Square, where children were staging a climate change protest."

I always thought this type of thing does not happen in New Zealand where religious and liberal values reign supreme.   



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BrycyPro4,671 posts
15 Mar 2019, 06:18
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15 Mar 2019, 06:18#2

Some far right wing white supremacists just shot up two mosques by the looks...worst terrorist attack in NZ history they are saying...

Aussie press are saying that the offender is an Aussie...and did'nt originally intend to launch his attack in NZ but visiting here found that it was"target rich.."

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2019, 08:25
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15 Mar 2019, 08:25#3

Cloudy 

It is terrible - when I posted the above there was no news on the issue other than that the mosque attacks occurred - nothing about casualties,   I heard now that there may be 29 fatalities and that 4 people have been  arrested - 3 men and a woman.

There has been mosque attacks in SA as well - but those were traced to different sects in the Muslim religion -  ie  the Sunnis and the Shi'ites.   In one case an attack is linked to Somali ref ugees.

The fact is that the factions are the  reason for civil wars in Syria,  Yemen and  Iraq also stemmed from the various sects involved.   The Sunni's are the dominant sect in Saudi-Arabia and has been the sect from which Al Qaeda and  ISIS originated and also Al Shaahab in Somalia and Boko Haram in Nigeria and other adjacent countries/  There is a similar terrorist group operating in Mozambique as well - problem is Mozambique borders SA and the SA  State Security institution is in chaos.   Could easily wash over into SA as well,  .    .   

Wonder whether it is not the case in the attacks under discussion.       

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2019, 10:47
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15 Mar 2019, 10:47#4

Cloudy

It depends on which sect is using the mosques in question.   I am not sure it is necessarily a extremist right wing group - it may be but based on experiences elsewhere in the world - it is more likely another extremist Muslim group. 

It gets worse and worse - the latest news seems too be that the death toll is 49,.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Mar 2019, 10:57
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15 Mar 2019, 10:57#5

Cloudy pity you don't read the 164 jihad verses in the Quoran which are incumbent on Muslims to obey. Any serious Muslim can go jihad at any time.

Of course after all the many muslim atrocities that have taken place re the kafir you will get some equally fanatic person wanting to fight back. Violence breads violence. There has been amazing restraint show to all the attacks in Europe. Actually to speak out now is deemed a hate crime and can land you in jail - witness Tommy Robinson re speaking out re the grooming issue.

What is truly amazing is why has the West and USA allowed these Muslims in as they will work tirelessly to bring in Sharia Law and will not assimilate - indeed they say openly they wont and takeover is their long term game.

Fortunately people are waking up all across the EU and saying open borders must stop and there is Trump in the USA trying to halt the open borders globalists in their tracks. The Jews in America who vote by and large for the demonrats have had a big wake up call. The globalist left is in alliance with islam as is very obvious and as Tony Blair has conceded.

My prediction - endless problems with the Muslims becoming ever more severe as they battle to take over, as they infiltrate every level of society and every institution. But there will be an equally rising level of opposition and eventually fireworks.

As George Soros said - Western Civilization must be destroyed before the NWO can be implemented. Hence in America youngsters being taught to hate the constitution and the flag and indeed their country. Get them in debt, destroy their moral base - LGBT, infanticide. An all out attack on the nationhood of America and the European nation states is under way.

The fundamental reason President Trump is so hated is he is a Nationalist - e.g. America First. He often speaks about America being a sovereign nation with borders. They HATE that and of course MAGA hats infuriate them as they want to see America collapse - and hence the crazy communist polices. Green New Deal - 93 trillion dollars cost. Medicare For A ll cost 33 trillion dollars. ALL Demonrat presidential candidates have adopted these policies. The loon Beto O'Rourke wants to actually tear down existing Border walls.

You cant make up this CRAZY.




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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Mar 2019, 14:24
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15 Mar 2019, 14:24#6
The shooter's manifesto can be read here.
It reads like a long series of Baboon-ou posts. There is ranting against the globalists, Islam, Antifa and the invasion of Europe. There's also a mention of Donald Trump who he describes as a "symbol of renewed white identity".
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2019, 14:47
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15 Mar 2019, 14:47#7

Cloudy

When I posted the above I did not have any evidence on who committed this dastardly crime and for what reason.   I think we will learn more in days to come - but we musta accept that  extremists on both sides of the spectrum are bad.

I could not believe that the crime could have been commited by an Aussie, - but it now seems it was.    I do not think that Aussies are particularly friendly people - at least not those I met.  when visiting Australia - the one really nice guy I met was an Aborigine guy.   

What I do know is that there is a growing degree of anti Muslimism in Australia - especially after terrorist attacks in Sydney and Melbourne and there is also animosity about Aussie residents joining ISIS.   But for me that does not justify what happened  in Christchurch.   

I have travelled to many countries in my life - but the present scenario I have never encountered anywhere,   It seems as if Love of Mankind is threatened by the Hate of Mankind types..   Unfortunately it is based on religious and racism  - I wonder what makes people think murder is acceptable?       . 


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Mar 2019, 15:17
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15 Mar 2019, 15:17#8

The Muslims blow up innocent people all the time ... now it seems as if some people want pay back.

There's been a few mosques this side that have also been attacked ... also with casualties.

The world's gone mad ... and it's going to get worse.


 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Mar 2019, 15:32
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15 Mar 2019, 15:32#9
Have any of you seen the footage? 
The shooter was wearing a Go Pro and filmed the whole thing. Hard to watch and truly horrifying. It looks just like one of those Playstation shooting games except it's real!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2019, 15:38
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15 Mar 2019, 15:38#10

Rooinek

I prefer not to watch it 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Mar 2019, 15:44
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15 Mar 2019, 15:44#11
Just by the way, earlier on today (of all days), Bozo tweeted a link to the anti-Islamic far-right Breitbart website but someone must have had a word in his stupid ear because that tweet has since been deleted.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Mar 2019, 16:02
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15 Mar 2019, 16:02#12
Another disgusting attack on innocent people. The difference is this is outside the law in Western Countries....condemned by all. That's not the case in Iran or among the Taliban. Best wishes to all the victims and especially those still fighting for their lives.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Mar 2019, 16:24
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15 Mar 2019, 16:24#13
It's simply beyond understanding that you can point a gun at an unaware person and shoot them in the back....or push a button and blow up strangers sitting in a restaurant.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Mar 2019, 18:59
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15 Mar 2019, 18:59#14

At some point you realise that there is no middle ground.

It takes all of two minutes to find ample evidence of moderate mUslims at moderate mosques  condoning the worst kind of hate speech while in the same breath declaring how peace loving their cult is. 

The world needs to wake the fuck up. 

Christian Kiwis need to ask themselves how many muslim countries around the world would allow them the same rights if the shoe was on the other foot.

Go and open a Methodist church in Pakistan. See how far you get. Talk about their prophet like they talk about yours, see what happens. Campaign for freedom of religious expression in Bangladesh or even the more basic freedom of speech. See how long it takes you to be executed under archaic blasphemy laws. Gays...yeah they're best served from ten stories up. Woman's rights?  Iran used to have those. Journalists? Saudi Arabia anyone? Take your soapbox to Indonesia and begin a Hyde Park corner tradition there. Truth is, you'll stoned to death for even mentioning Jesus out loud. And do you know what all those moderate Muslims would say?

Fuck all. Because the vast majority support it.

The penalty for apostasy is still death.

How the fuck is anyone ok with allowing a religion like that into their country? Let alone calling it's followers peace loving. That's like me threatening to kill my wife if she leaves me. So as long as she stays she will be safe and I'm a lovely guy. It's literal insanity.

Do you think that if they found themselves in the majority that they wouldn't apply those laws in your country?

If that is what you think then you've left naive behind and moved straight on to stupid.

The left teat sucking liberals don't realise how far in the hole they already are.

You think your patience, understanding, tolerance and kindness will somehow cause them to become tolerant of your beliefs? Like you'll teach them some lesson about righteousness. 

Look at ANY, and I mean ANY country that did not have a military strong enough to stand up to Islam.

Then you'll exactly how tolerant they are of your beliefs. And I'm not talking about the middle ages. I'm talking about the last fifty years.

That's why these types of attacks are happening. 

Softie apologetic heal the world tosspots are too idiotic to stand up while the rug is being pulled from under them and they expect everyone else to go along with it.

Then they're surprised that people who see what is going on eventually snap? Of course they're crazy to do something like this. But you liberals should take your responsibility for creating the environment that lead us here.

You've failed to stand up for your own rights and for what is fair. You should not be surprised to see these acts of overcompensation. They're only going to increase in frequency.

Here some news from Kenya. 

"Al-Shabab has staged several attacks inside Kenya, including the 2013 attack on Nairobi's Westgate Mall in which 67 people were killed and the 2015 attack on Garissa University in which 147 people, mostly students, were killed. The extremists have also targeted schools and bus transport near the porous border with Somalia, at times singling out Christians."

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Mar 2019, 21:24
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15 Mar 2019, 21:24#15

Thanks Plum for a great post. CC also get it as does Dr Moz. The ignoranc of Cloudy continues to be astounding. Rooitwit of course always get it wrong so no surprise there, he has to be the dumbest twit ever! Bar none..

Over the months i could have posted dozens and dozens of outages by muslims but have refrained. Perhaps that must change given the appalvng ignorance of Cloudy and poor rooitwit. Of course the Globalist MSM cover up these crimes by muslims as much as they can. But the people of Europe cant be fooled any longer and are insisting that open border invasion must cease.

Australian Senator: Real Cause of NZ Bloodshed is “The Immigration Program that Allowed Muslim Fanatics to Migrate to New Zealand”


Following the shooting Australian politician Frazer Anning took to Twitter and blamed Australian and New Zealand immigration policy for the mass shooting.

Senator Fraser Manning posted this following the shooting.
The Northern Queensland politician blamed immigration policy in Australia and New Zealand.


Senator Fraser Anning@fraser_anning

I wonder if there will be as much outrage from the left wing when the next Muslim terrorist attack occurs?

Most likely silence and talk about “lone wolf attacks, mental illness and no connection to Islam”


It is important to note that just in the month of February, 22 different countries experienced terror attacks by moslems. There were a total of 150 attacks in which 883 people were killed and an additional 547 injured. Interesting which attacks the media emphasizes. And yes, many moslems are accurately described as "radical", but probably more accurately described as "DEVOUT" moslems.

I'm surprised this hasn't happened in Germany, Sweden, England. Good GRIEF, their politicians have turned their respective countries into boiling pots.

Sen. Fraser Anning, a member of the Australian “One Nation” party, released a statement after the shooting, blaming New Zealand’s immigration policies for the shootings, after a man entered mosques and opened fire on people worshiping. In the statement, he called the religion of Islam a “savage belief,” saying Muslims “are usually the perpetrators.”

As always, left-wing politicians and the media will rush to claim that causes of today’s shootings lie with gun laws or those who hold nationalist views but this is all cliched nonsense. The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place,” Anning said in his statement.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Mar 2019, 21:37
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15 Mar 2019, 21:37#16
Baboon-ou's posts sound exactly like Brenton Tarrant's manifesto so it's really no surprise to see Baboon-ou trying to justify this horrific killing. What a time to choose to express your hatred for Islam!
While the rest of the world mourns this terrible tragedy, Baboon-ou and other like-minded right wing christian zealots are probably punching the air with delight.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Mar 2019, 21:53
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15 Mar 2019, 21:53#17

The only solution to Cloudy's abysmal vgnorance vs to ship her off to iran and let her practice her Christian faith there.

Now lets see how its working out in Sweden. We wont talk about No Go areas, crime genrally, costs etc  just one subject rape.


JUSTICE FOR SWEDISH WOMEN: Record number of rapes in Sweden – Only 7.4% of cases solved

Last year saw a record number of reported rapes in Sweden according to the latest statistics. A whopping 7.840 rapes were reported, which is a dramatic 8% increase from the year before. Almost half of the victims are children aged 0-17 years old.

There was a catastrophic increase in child rapes in Sweden from the year 2017 to 2018, which saw a 13% increase.

According to the Spectator Index Sweden has the second highest number of reported rapes per capita in the world, coming in after South Africa.

But as the number of rapes are reaching new record levels, the number of solved cases have decreased. According to new research done by publicly funded Uppdrag Granskning, the number of solved rape cases has gone down from 11.4% in 2014, to a mere 7.4% in the first half of 2018.

This might explain why in some areas 47% of women are afraid of walking outside alone at night.

Less than one in ten reported rapes against women aged over 15 years old lead to prosecution

What makes this even more shocking is that it turns out that in many cases the suspect isn’t even questioned by police before the investigation is closed. For example in the municipality of Karlskrona, 40% of rape cases were closed without the suspect even being questioned.

Back in 2017 Swedish police told a journalist that they have so many rape cases they are dealing with that they don’t even have time to solve cases where 3 year old children were raped.

Bloggers say:

What's bad is the muslums rape and kill whites everyday, but in small numbers, they don't get a lot of spotlight. Its when the citizens get fedup because theres no justice and snaps and knocks off a large amount at one time, now all the sympathy goes toward the ..."innocent " muslum victims

And this is one of the many reasons why people snap and conduct a mass shooting like the one in NZ. Not only have the EU countries been forced to accept millions of Muslim invaders in their countries but you are NOT allowed to criticize these invaders and the atrocities they commit without fear of jail or being called Islamophobic. These EU countries are expected to just take it and to shut up. Their freedom of speech to express their outrage has all but disappeared. This is NOT going to end well.

Eventually citizens turn against the system

You're absolutely right. Mass shootings like in NZ are the absolute results of extreme leftist controlled countries. Everyone is expendable as long as demoncrats remain in power.

They don't want the cases to be solved, as then it would be on record that they're welcoming rapists into their country.

The lack of investigations is to deliberately manipulate crime statistics, I guarantee that white suspects are investigated to an extreme.

In Finland in 2018 a case of an adult raping a 9 year old was settled with "It is a part of THEIR culture".

We all know the Rotherham muslim grooming gang activity was hushed by the PC British Police etc. As Tony Blair conceded the left is in cahoots with islam

Real 'men' would not allow this to continue, but Sweden is facing the same issue that is destroying all of Western Civilization: There are not enough 'men' left in the country. Sweden is a very liberal nation...and there are NO liberal white "men"...period.

I’m almost 70 years old and over the course of my life I’ve met several liberal white males. ALL of them were either gay, a cuck or so timid they had to ask their wife or girlfriend for permission to speak. They may have carried a “Y” chromosome and were therefore clinically classified as ‘male,’ but a ‘man’ they definitely were not. Liberal white males really are useless...whether in Sweden or the U.S.

Not one word in the article mentioned that Muslim immigrants were responsible for the increased rapes. Do you suppose this is just one reason why the shooter in New Zealand went off his rocker to retaliate against national authorities that allow unfettered and unvetted immigration to happen in their countries?

In his manifesto, he clearly stated:

"To take revenge for Ebba Akerlund."

Ebba was an 11 year Swedish girl.

Etc Etc Etc. The tolerance of the Europeans has been beyond amazIng


WHAT AN APT DESCRIPTION OF ROOITWIT

ALL of them were either gay, a cuck or so timid they had to ask their wife or girlfriend for permission to speak. They may have carried a “Y” chromosome and were therefore clinically classified as ‘male,’ but a ‘man’ they definitely were not. Liberal white males really are useless...whether in Sweden or the U.S. H OOR HOOR!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2019, 01:27
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16 Mar 2019, 01:27#18
Peeper....and here you are punching the air, using this event as an excuse to attack HasBeen and Trump. What this nutter said was he has no ties to conservatism or corporatism.....that the country that most closely comports with his philosophy is Communist China. Sound like Trump you deliciously stupid man?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Mar 2019, 03:05
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16 Mar 2019, 03:05#19

Plum

Well said, a good honest post which drills down to some cold hard unanswered questions.

It's naive to believe we can accomodate beliefs of different persuasions and live harmoniously. The reality is quite different, people of goodwill think they can until  they are confronted with those who impose their will and beliefs on others. Muslims have no respect or regard for any other religion but their own. I know because as a child I schooled and grew up amongst muslims. 

Would those of goodwill like to live under Sharia Law? Would those of goodwill like to see their churches shutdown when forced to do so under muslim rule?

No, I don't believe so .....the future though is on it's way.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Mar 2019, 03:43
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16 Mar 2019, 03:43#20

It goes without saying that it was a disgusting and cowardly evil act and that the innocent and their family have the sympathy of all decent people.


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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
16 Mar 2019, 04:29
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16 Mar 2019, 04:29#21

Cant believe that people on here are actually supporting this cunts actions as if killing innocent people because others that follow the same religion have done this. As far as I know there has been no terrorist acts carried out in NZ by any of these victims or for that fact any other muslim living here.

You lot might be happy living in a country at war but go fuck off and keep your hate a million miles from my country.

And for you christian cunts supporting this killer, your religion is EXACTLY the same as far as forcing your beliefs on to other people. Your lot are always trying to pass laws to ban anything that supposedly goes against your bible such as gay marriages, abortions, euthanasia etc so dont go telling me that your lot arent trying to do the same thing. it wasnt long ago you were killing anyone that didnt follow your religion you know.



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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
16 Mar 2019, 07:53
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16 Mar 2019, 07:53#22
Not a good advertisement for Abrahamic religion if the killers were religious, and this is some type of holy war - or is this just some crazy people.....It is the same as the Muslim bombers if they are religious or it is just an outlet for crazy people.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Mar 2019, 08:00
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16 Mar 2019, 08:00#23

Thanks Denny.

Did anyone here support his acts?

I must have missed that part.

What I said, in summary, was this...

It was an act carried out by a crazy person. An over compensation for a real problem that has largely been created by naive morons, AKA neo-liberals.

While you lot are dishing out sympathy, please spare some for Indonesian Christians that are being persecuted by the peace loving cult of Islam. 

Cloudy, you might also wanna spare the odd thought for the young girls stoned to death for attempting to enjoy just a small slice of the freedom of expression which I'm sure you believe to be a cornerstone of being a free person.

Please also spare a thought for the at least 2000 innocent people will die in the next thirty days due terrorism. In case, you didn't know, that's the average, and Islam owns most of it.

And next time you see one of your peace loving cult folk, do please ask them if they'll condemn the groups carrying out those acts.

See how that conversation goes.

What you refuse to realise is that Islam wants you gone. Islam wants you dead. Islam is at odds with every last value that New Zealand stands for.

But you just keep smiling as you allow the wolf in the door.

Edit: Saderfan. I'm not a Christian. I'm not a Muslim apologist either though. Why? Because I own decently sized set of balls.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Mar 2019, 08:08
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16 Mar 2019, 08:08#24

"“Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.” ? Martin Luther King Jr"

OMG really?

Yes, keep loving Muslims. Because that's worked out so very well for all the countries that have shown them mercy and given refuge.

Have you forgotten Spain, Germany, France, England, Sweden and on and on and on.

What did they get in return for their love? Want me to remind you?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Mar 2019, 09:02
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16 Mar 2019, 09:02#25

Then they're surprised that people who see what is going on eventually snap? Of course they're crazy to do something like this. But you liberals should take your responsibility for creating the environment that lead us here.

So much back peddling. 

It was literally in the text that you quoted.

Here's where you ignore you blunder and move on regardless.

Ok next , go...

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Mar 2019, 09:17
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16 Mar 2019, 09:17#26

OMG can't we debate this very sensitive issue without any abuse? If not then shut it down as it's going to go nowhere. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Mar 2019, 09:26
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16 Mar 2019, 09:26#27

Denny

Didn't abuse Cloudy. And now apparently I've been waiting to cause a fight. 

And I've concocted my views of Islam to that end.

My views don't concur with hers, hence I'm stalking her and want to abuse her.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Mar 2019, 09:36
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16 Mar 2019, 09:36#28

I am the first person to condemn the acts of the attackers in New Zealand and think their barbaric act is totally unacceptable in a decent society.

I have may Muslim friends and they are decent people  who criticize what is happening and which is used by fanatics in countries all over the world,   They would not be bale to raise their opinions in Muslim governed countries - they would be executed immediately.    

However, some of the posters who criticize the Islamic religion also have a point,   There is very  real problems with the rise of extremism in the Muslim countries and what they do in countries where they settle is a serious problem.   One cannot condone that - but we should not use that to condone what happened in Christchurch,

Islamic radicalism is not confined  to Whites or in fact all racial groups not practicing their religion in EU countries and in the USA, it is equally the case in countries governed by them  and it ahs a long history of atrocities in the 20th and 21st centuries.  Lets not forget -

*    The killing of hundreds of thousands of Armenians by the Turks  in the early 20th century;

*    The constant attacks on the Kurdish minority in Turkey, Syria, Iraq  and Iran;

*    The civil wars in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and even Libya, Nigeria and other Countries in Africa  

If one has to see what Islamic Radicals did  in counties where the settled one has to remember -

*     The New York and Washington attacks killing thousands of people in the  USA;

*      The more recent extremist attacks in Florida, California, Denver. Las Vegas and Boston in which hundreds were killed;

*      The London subway attacks in 2007;

*      The carnage in France when they attacked innocent civilians in Paris, Nice and Strasburg;

*      The Berlin attack on the Christmas market;

*       Thousands killed in Russia in terrorist attacks

There is another  problem raised above and that relates to rape - which radicals believe is to be sued to convert other religions to the Islamic faith,   They refer to Sweden but is also caused havoc in Germany (Cologne) after the mass immigration in 2015 and was extensively used in the Syrian and Iraq civil wars by ISIS and is in fact in all such civil wars.  

That being said it is the responsibility of Governments to protect their people against abuses-  but that responsibility is often ignored by Governments who wants to be "politically correct".   That in itself leads to radicalization by their own people that took what they believe the law into their ow hands.

Two wrongs  never make  a right - so there is no  way the actions of the radicals in Christchurch could be justified,   However, the problem is that many of people in the West and the USA  will in fact sympathize  with the attackers for what they believe are fully realistic reasons.

As was said above = the world has gone badly lunatic in the 20th century and one cannot see how that would change at all.                                                  

     

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Mar 2019, 09:45
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16 Mar 2019, 09:45#29

we can sort this when we get to Bora Bora...

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2019, 10:43
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16 Mar 2019, 10:43#30

Cloudy doesn't care a toss about the islamic invasion of Europe and all the problems that it is causing . To her the destrution of Europe is great.

She doesn't raise beep vf Christians are slaughtered in the middle east or elswhere. She has expressed no horror at continual muslim bombing ,rapes and killings.(Nothing also about infanticide)

She probably is so ignorant she does know how Lebanon, previously a Christian nation, acted i a very foolvsh Cloudy way and allowed Muslim refugees in (fleeing persecution of other muslims) into their country. At first these muslims were very polite and friendly. But when their numbers had grown sufficiently they rose up an slaughtered the kafir hosts as the Quoran requires.

Also doubtless Cloudy knows nothing about these massacres being perpetrated by muslims right now. Now why vs that has she never heard about it in the Globalist MSM or v he just playing ignorant:

ICYMI: 120 Christians Slaughtered By Muslim Herders In Nigeria – MEDIA SILENT


As media outlets across the world bring you the minute-by-minute updates of the Christchurch mosque shooting in New Zealand, those same outlets have been mostly silent on the recent mass slaughter of Christians in Nigeria by muslim herdsmen. Those attacks have resulted in 120 dead and 140 homes burned to the ground.

At least 120 people have been killed by alleged Fulani militant attacks since February in the Kaduna state of Nigeria with the latest attacks on Monday resulting in the deaths of over 50 and the destruction of more than 140 homes.

On Monday, 52 people were killed, dozens injured and around 143 homes were destroyed in attacks on the villages of Inkirimi, Dogonnoma and Ungwan Gora in the Maro district of the Kajuru Local Government Area, according to Christian Solidarity Worldwide.

The Monday attack followed an attack on Sunday in the Ungwan Barde village in Kajuru in which 17 people were killed and dozens of homes were burned.

In late February, there was another attack in Maro that resulted in the deaths of about 38 Christiansand saw homes and a church burned. On Feb. 10, 10 people were killed in an attack in Ungwan Barde as six others were killed in isolated attacks the day before.

CSW, a United Nations-recognized NGO that advocates for persecuted Christians worldwide, reports that victims in the attacks on Monday included women and children. Survivors told the nonprofit that the attackers were separated into three groups. One group shot and killed people, the second set fire to buildings, and a third ran after people fleeing the scene.

Nigeria ranks as the 12th worst country in the world when it comes to Christian persecution, according to Open Doors USA’s 2019 World Watch List.

In 2018 alone, thousands of Christians were killed by militant Fulani herdsmen, leaving some to say that genocide is occurring in the Middle Belt of Nigeria.

Kaduna state is not alone in suffering from Fulani violence as other states in the Middle Belt have faced it too.

On March 4, Fulani militants in the Benue state reportedly attacked three villages, killing 23 people with bullets and machetes, according to International Christian Concern.

CSW is calling on the Nigerian federal government to address the spike in violence in a “decisive and unbiased manner.”

“The relentless death and destruction is a sad indictment of the continuing failure by both levels of government to fulfill the primary mandate of protecting all its citizens impartially,” Thomas argued.

These claims are backed up by similar reports on Christian Broadcasting Network and The Guardian Nigeria.

CBN reported on the February attack:

Radical Muslims murdered more than 30 Christians in Nigeria last week. This is just the latest account of systematic Islamic violence towards Christ-followers in that country.

The Guardian reports that Fulani herdsmen assaulted the Christians around 4 a.m. in Karamar village in the Maro district of Kajuru.

The herdsman reportedly set fire to several houses and a church. The terrorists then sporadically shot at families trying to escape the blaze, killing 32 people.

The Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) also condemned the deadly assault and urged young Nigerians not to retaliate against the terrorists.

“We have appealed to the youths in the area that there must never be any reprisal. We want to give the security operatives in the state the benefit of the doubt to go after the killers. We don’t want any reprisal attack because the circle of violence and killings will continue,” Rev. Joseph Hayap added.

CBN News reported last year that hundreds of Christians were killed in clashes with the Muslim herdsman.

Last June, Fulani herdsmen, who are mostly Muslim attacked six predominantly Christian villages in Nigeria’s Plateau state. Many of those killed were Christians, and they were reportedly hacked to death.

According to the Global Terrorism Index, Fulani herdsmen have killed more than 60,000 people since 2001.

Are you going to hold your breath waiting for Huffington Post, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Nancy Pelosi, and the Southern Poverty Law Center to condemn these attacks? 

yOU WCBN reported on the February attack:

Radical Muslims murdered more than 30 Christians in Nigeria last week. This is just the latest account of systematic Islamic violence towards Christ-followers in that country.

The Guardian reports that Fulani herdsmen assaulted the Christians around 4 a.m. in Karamar village in the Maro district of Kajuru.

The herdsman reportedly set fire to several houses and a church. The terrorists then sporadically shot at families trying to escape the blaze, killing 32 people.

The Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) also condemned the deadly assault and urged young Nigerians not to retaliate against the terrorists.

“We have appealed to the youths in the area that there must never be any reprisal. We want to give the security operatives in the state the benefit of the doubt to go after the killers. We don’t want any reprisal attack because the circle of violence and killings will continue,” Rev. Joseph Hayap added.

CBN News reported last year that hundreds of Christians were killed in clashes with the Muslim herdsman.

Last June, Fulani herdsmen, who are mostly Muslim attacked six predominantly Christian villages in Nigeria’s Plateau state. Many of those killed were Christians, and they were reportedly hacked to death.

According to the Global Terrorism Index, Fulani herdsmen have killed more than 60,000 people since 2001.

Are you going to hold your breath waiting for Huffington Post, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Nancy Pelosi, and the Southern Poverty Law Center to condemn these attacks?LL DCBN reported on the February attack:

Radical Muslims murdered more than 30 Christians in Nigeria last week. This is just the latest account of systematic Islamic violence towards Christ-followers in that country.

The Guardian reports that Fulani herdsmen assaulted the Christians around 4 a.m. in Karamar village in the Maro district of Kajuru.

The herdsman reportedly set fire to several houses and a church. The terrorists then sporadically shot at families trying to escape the blaze, killing 32 people.

The Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) also condemned the deadly assault and urged young Nigerians not to retaliate against the terrorists.

“We have appealed to the youths in the area that there must never be any reprisal. We want to give the security operatives in the state the benefit of the doubt to go after the killers. We don’t want any reprisal attack because the circle of violence and killings will continue,” Rev. Joseph Hayap added.

CBN News reported last year that hundreds of Christians were killed in clashes with the Muslim herdsman.

Last June, Fulani herdsmen, who are mostly Muslim attacked six predominantly Christian villages in Nigeria’s Plateau state. Many of those killed were Christians, and they were reportedly hacked to death.

According to the Global Terrorism Index, Fulani herdsmen have killed more than 60,000 people since 2001.

Are you going to hold your breath waiting for Huffington Post, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Nancy Pelosi, and the Southern Poverty Law Center to condemn these attacks?E OF SUFFOCATCBN reported on the February attack:

Radical Muslims murdered more than 30 Christians in Nigeria last week. This is just the latest account of systematic Islamic violence towards Christ-followers in that country.

The Guardian reports that Fulani herdsmen assaulted the Christians around 4 a.m. in Karamar village in the Maro district of Kajuru.

The herdsman reportedly set fire to several houses and a church. The terrorists then sporadically shot at families trying to escape the blaze, killing 32 people.

The Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) also condemned the deadly assault and urged young Nigerians not to retaliate against the terrorists.

“We have appealed to the youths in the area that there must never be any reprisal. We want to give the security operatives in the state the benefit of the doubt to go after the killers. We don’t want any reprisal attack because the circle of violence and killings will continue,” Rev. Joseph Hayap added.

CBN News reported last year that hundreds of Christians were killed in clashes with the Muslim herdsman.

Last June, Fulani herdsmen, who are mostly Muslim attacked six predominantly Christian villages in Nigeria’s Plateau state. Many of those killed were Christians, and they were reportedly hacked to death.

According to the Global Terrorism Index, Fulani herdsmen have killed more than 60,000 people since 2001.

Are you going to hold your breath waiting for Huffington Post, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Nancy Pelosi, and the Southern Poverty Law Center to condemn these attacks.


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2019, 10:49
#31
16 Mar 2019, 10:49#31


Islamic Terror Threat Made Against New Zealand Prime Minister: ‘Revenge is Coming’

An Islamic terror threat was tweeted at New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, following the livestreamed massacre at two mosques on Friday.

The threat, posted to Twitter, warned that “revenge is coming” along with a gun painted in white wording similar to the gun used by the mosque shooter. An ISIS flag was visible behind the weapons.

The tweet was sent in response to Ardern tweeting, “What has happened in Christchurch is an extraordinary act of unprecedented violence. It has no place in New Zealand. Many of those affected will be members of our migrant communities – New Zealand is their home – they are us.”

The threat was reported and archived by independent journalist Nick Monroe.

You can see the tweet etc at

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/islamic-terror-threat-made-against-new-zealand-prime-minister-revenge-is-coming/

Bloggers say:

There’s already a threat every time Muslims move in to your country. Just ask France.

"Revenge is coming". Whatever.....Like what has been the last 18 years about? We whitey's have our limits and its about enough already.

Alert! This is not a thread highjack. Too many parents have chosen material goods over their invaluable children. We wanted to have the material "blessings" that could be obtained by two parents working to bring home money, and sending our kids to other adults to be our surrogate child-raisers. The Left, the Socialists, the Communists, whatever you want to call them, took over government schools, and brainwashed children. The parents and their children became voters who put get-what-I-can-for-myself politicians in office. Those politicians became satraps of anti-American globalists.

Muslims are not our enemy when they live in their home nations of the Middle East and North Africa. But when they come to North America they are. We have a Constitutional government that prohibits any religious test for public office. It allows Muslims to hold public office.

But in Muslim countries, Sharia Law does not allow Christians to hold offices in which they can exercise civil authority over Muslims. Sharia law does not allow Muslim women to hold offices in which they can exercise civil authority over Muslim men.

So Muslims have no place in America. If they choose to renounce Islam, then Arabs, Persians, Africans, Southern Asians and Turckic peoples can be accepted here.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2019, 11:05
#32
16 Mar 2019, 11:05#32

The ten commandments say Thou shalt not kill. However one has to question why an incident like this arose. What were the underlying factors. This Cloudy, arch mampara rooitwit and that nutjob old crust fan have failed to do in a spectacular way!

The facts are simple, you cant come into countries, r ape their women, bomb their citizens, murder their people, demand the hosts change to your culture and accept sharia law and expect no backlash. Unless of course you have no understanding of human nature. These three nutjobs clearly are clueless.

The big embarrassment for all these communist globalist scumbags (Dr Moz nailed it) is the Christchurch attacker identifies most with communist China. He says he wants to start a civil war in the USA and get the second amendment abolished ( a dream of the globalist left - disarm the citizens so they cant fight back)

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Mar 2019, 13:17
#33
16 Mar 2019, 13:17#33

Denny "OMG can't we debate this very sensitive issue without any abuse? If not then shut it down as it's going to go nowhere."


Plum "Didn't abuse Cloudy. And now apparently I've been waiting to cause a fight."


cLoudy "Who is talking about abuse?? Settle down otherwise you'll start accusing me of being a liar again. Do you really want to go down that path again?"

It boggles :/


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2019, 13:22
#34
16 Mar 2019, 13:22#34

Cloudy spews a whole lot of BS. Look what she accused me off. She musn't think there will be no response to her nonsense.

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
16 Mar 2019, 13:26
#35
16 Mar 2019, 13:26#35
It appears to have been turned into a backward sermon by Beeno.
There is no doubt that as a statistical average Muslim is worse than Christianity, of the two Abrahamic religions- the best of a bad bunch. (at least in the current day). 
Senseless murder by religion, race, or any other stereotype should not be tolerated in any form. It seems that it is tolerated by sympathisers more by Muslims than Christians, but there are certainly fanatics on both sides - such as the Australian Murderer that caused this mayhem
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Mar 2019, 13:28
#36
16 Mar 2019, 13:28#36

One has to laugh Beeno.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Mar 2019, 18:36
#37
16 Mar 2019, 18:36#37

Cloudy that was being polite you are quite obviously a ignorant, amoral, raving loon to put it still very politely.



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PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Mar 2019, 18:52
#38
16 Mar 2019, 18:52#38

Always flies in with the insults and then tries to play victim.

Took her all of ten seconds to tell me to F off.

Such class.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Mar 2019, 19:10
#39
16 Mar 2019, 19:10#39

That was a good post Plum. However, as soon as I finished reading it, I knew that it was going to be pulled apart and rubbished. One cannot help to wonder, though. 

From what I can see, the governments of the entire "Western World", among others, have condemned this attack in the strongest possible terms and they have offered NZ, and the victims, all the support possible. Even the "evil" Donald Trump. His first reaction, at the signing ceremony of his veto of the Senate decision on border security, was to pay respect to NZ, and the victims, and he said that he has told the NZ PM that he (the NZ PM) knows that he could just pick up the phone and ask for whatever help or support is needed in these times.Compare that to the response, or rather lack thereof, by the governments of Muslim countries following the numerous attacks by Muslim extremists on western civilians in recent times. The first reaction by the governments of all of these countries were to say that it was the work of extremists and that they were not all like that and that they were really a peace loving lot, blah di blah di blah. No wishes of sympathy for the victims. Nothing.

They, the Muslim countries, appear to have be so peaceful and compassionate but it is all a front, IMO. They have shown nothing but total apathy towards these kinds of incidents against western civilians. FFS, they even show that towards Muslims. The only countries who are pushed to accept Syrian refugees. Not one single Muslim country has, to date offered to take in one single Syrian refugee. Compassionate? My arse.

Note that I have not offered any condolences to the victims and that is not because I do not feel any remorse over the incident. It is just a matter of knowing that it would serve any purpose due to my expressed views surrounding this matter and I am not prepared to express remorse for the sake of appeasing others. I know that I have a deep feeling  of sympathy for the victims of this horrible attack. Whether anybody believe it or not.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Mar 2019, 19:47
#40
16 Mar 2019, 19:47#40

Cera

This is why I say that it seems one can do nothing but pick a side.

Any compassion, mercy, love, sympathy one tries to send their way is always welcomed but it's never forthcoming from their side.

I've walked the streets of Brussels and been threatened with stabbing for simply looking in the direction of a group of Algerians to see what color a traffic light was. My girlfriend at the time was sexually assaulted by a group of Arabs on her way back from school. All refugees. Personally had numerous incidents with Muslims in various countries in including the UK, South Africa, Denmark and Malaysia. From violence to theft to pure lies for the sake of a few quid which almost cost me my job at the time.

I find it impossible to put that all down to coincidence. Especially when one looks at Muslim nations and how they behave towards their own people as well as towards other nations and their people. 

Their doctrine puts you at the bottom of the pile and gives them permission to do as they like with you. That's the great appeal of it.

It gives you a licence to behave like an animal while acting holier than though. 

Christianity calls on you to forgive and to love without exception. Judaism is not evangelical and recruitment is frowned upon. Islam is the worst of both worlds and it's no surprise that it's followers behave the way they do.

It should have been kept at arm's length but instead the morons in the liberal west thought they could teach Muslims by example. 

They still don't realise that every time you exhale Islam tightens its grip further. 

I sympathise with the many Muslims that have lost their lives in religious, oil and false flag wars over the years, despite them viewing me as spiritually inferior and worthy of murder.

Do I think their doctrine is evil? 100% I do.

Will I play their game and say...yeah the Ozzie was an extremist, we're not all like that? Sure I will.

Do I believe one needs to fight fire with fire? W hat else is there?


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