I will give you a real Story for the Site members to spread their enlightened input about the Zelenskyy meeting with Trump

Our site experts already suggested that Trump is insultng Zelenskyy - the most important leader in the world - by not gettting his permission before meeting with Putin. By doing that he is ignorng the instructions as to what he may dicudd oith Putin and may not discussed based on the detailed instructions from Zelenskyy. . They already know what is going to be discused at the meeeting and how Trump failed at the meeting and the failure of the effort to reach a peace agreement in Ukraine and how the NATO leadership is going to take Zelenskyy's side and tell Trump to bugger off and let the war go on. Since the NATO army is going to help Ukraine to win the war against Russia and capture the Crimea as a starting point.and how great a victory that will be achieved by capturing Moscow within 6 months - all that wthout USA assistance and also despite opposition for the glorious victory by the hated Turks because hey also want peace in Europe,

So enlighten us by your early inputs as to what is bound to happen at your upcoming meeting.

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Zelenskyy and Trump has already spoke to the rpess and it seems is if the discussions is on good spirits and Zelemskyy even cracked a joke about it. After te emdia session there will be a dinner and followed by the formal negotiation meeting.

What already was announced is that Zelesnsky will be joined by some European leaders but I did not got the names from the video on the press conference so we will have to wait and see who are involved, What is known is that the Secretary General of NATO will be at the meeting as well - but it is not clear which of the EU leaders will be present since they ere not at the news conference. A number of NATO leaders will join the meeting soon and thereafter the formal negotiations will start,

What was already announced is that Zelenskyy. Putin and Trump will meet soon - but again the meeting will be attended by European leaders as well. Another key announcement is that the US will provide a security guarantee to Ukraine to be included in the peace deal as well.

Now please give us your version of what is happening and hpw Trump is hlping Ptin in geting Zelenskyy ignored ns how the European leaders are going to stop Trump's efforts to secire peace in Ukraine.

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The followig will be at the meeting in Washngton:-

European leaders will join Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy when he travels to Washington, D.C., on Monday for a high-stakes meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump.

On Sunday, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, French President Emmanuel Macron, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni and Finnish President Alexander Stubb all confirmed their attendance. Their joint presence underscores Europe’s determination to present a united front in support of Ukraine as Russia's war drags on.

‘The fact that he has been nominated is of little consequence (Hitler was too).’ Photograph: Reuters

Donald Trump

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Donald Trump may be persuaded that the Nobel peace prize he covets will “become a genuine possibility” if he succeeds in bullying Ukraine “into accepting the unacceptable” (Editorial, 11 August). But the idea that this deluded and most undiplomatic and unpeaceful of US presidents could ever join such recipients as Nelson Mandela, the Dalai Lama and Martin Luther King Jr is ludicrous.

Alfred Nobel intended the prize in the first instance for efforts for “the abolition or reduction of standing armies”. Under Trump, the already bloated Pentagon budget has skyrocketed; in June he celebrated the US army’s 250th birthday (as well as his own birthday) with a military parade, complete with tanks, missiles, and aeroplanes overhead; in February, he signed an executive order to dismantle the US Institute of Peace, resulting in the unlawful firing of its president and board members.

Nobel also mentioned in his will efforts to promote “fraternity between nations”. Trump’s Maga programme is at the expense of other nations, causing anger and anxiety in Canada, Denmark, Greenland, Iceland and elsewhere. He is complicit in the destruction of the Palestinian nation and the continuing devastation of Ukraine. The fact that he has been nominated is of little consequence (Hitler was too) and reflects poorly on the nominators.

Dr Peter van den Dungen

Visiting fellow, Norwegian Nobel Institute, 2000

So another BB classic. I thought this item dealt with the meeting om Monday and not the normal propaganda BS. So what was decided on was that Trump would arrange a meeting beteen Putin and Zelenskyy which he would join. The venue being in a neutral country. Based on his normal approach some EU leaders will also join YTi,[ st the meeting as set up.

There were some differences of opinion as to the issue of a ceasefire before further negotiations - with Trump expressng doubt since ceasefires can be abused like happened to past ceasefie efforts and he wants the end of the War asap. It is an issue of semantics.- if it does happen t would give Russia to replenish their resources and the US priority is different - they need to replace the weaponry collected from army bases by the Autopen Presidency and never replaced - leaving the USA Defese Force vulnerable worldwide, I cannot find any evdience that the European leaders does not support Trump's peacemakng efforts - so for now we must see if Trump can get the meeting arranged between Putin and Zelenskyy and Trump did phone Putin to set up the meeting between Him and Zelenskyy - likely to be in Istanbul chaired by the Turkish President especially since Turkey with teh seond stronmgest army in NATO was excluded from the Washington meeting yesterday.

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Maybe that should be the way to go. Turkey has the second buggest army in NATO The effprt to reach a ceasefire agreement in April 2022 was also held in Istanbul under Tirkish charmmanship and was stopped after agreement was reached ended because Blinken told the Ukraine Foreign Mnister to leave Istanbiul the same day and not initial any draft agreement whch was to be cnsidered by Zelenskyy and Putin. It was an obvious intervention by the Autopen Presidency that lead to the real carnage in Ukraine still continuing.

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Deranged...consumed by hatred...sad.

The fact is the Nobel Peace Price is not at all was intended for and that iss topping a war and must be prvoen to that be the case, Take for instance the Obama case, There were no real stdy did on whether peace will prvail after he epace prize was awarded.

Obama justa nnounced the withdrawal of all US troops from Iraq in 2012 The result was the attack of ISIS started in 2014 and within 2 years ISIS occupied a major part of Northern Syria and 70% of Iraq. Whenever the ISISterrorist axdvance the Iraq roops fled from the area leaing armaments behind - mch like the S did hen hey fled from Bagram in he middle of the night, As the terrorist advanced murder and enslaement of hundreds of thousands of people took place. The only real esistance came from the Kurds/

Obama's answer was to send in 200 unarmed "advisors" from the US Arrny to Iraq with te instrtion they musst not aprtcipation in any battles. Very effective was it? No it meant and helped nobody.. When Trmp became Oresident he sent in the US Army wih the instruction to wipe out ISIS since they were nearing Baghdad rapidly, Anyway the I IS attacks ceazed and the terrorist leaders fed to Teheran while some joined the Azov Batallionin Ukraine as mercenaries and terrorists. How did the later become known. When they were caught by the Russians in Mariopol they were idenified as ISIS linked and Azov Battalion mercenaries and terrorist the Russians do treat the Azov captured Azov Battalion soldiers as prisoners of war - but as terrorists and mercenry since they were registered as such by the UN Security Council as such in 2015

Not wanting to upset the Turks Putin sent thefie erroris offiers aught in Mariopol to Turkey - but te Tuks doid not nt tem either - so they were sent back to Kiev with great fanfare in the media, Trump in any event did to thi gs that broke the hearts of the media and the Democrats hearts - he had the Head of ISIS and the "Buther of Teheran" Solemeini warfare system of Iran proxy wars killed. The killing of the head of ISIS caused heartache for the Democrats and the leftist media - the killing f Solemeine waana ttack cotainingarcle claiming how good a family man and father of his children he was.

What benefit in the case of the Nobel Peace Prize was. The fact is it resuted in further terrorsm and killing and enslavemnt of hndreds of thousands of people in Syria and Iraq, Another example was te peace pize was not the paper it was printed on. Hundreds and thousands of people was slaughtered and enslaved. The answer it was regarded as shit wihout regard not taking into account what subsequently happened as a result of Obama's idiotic condunct in Iraq,

Other such awards happened since he Prizes became worthles and caused furher chaos - top regard the presnet mention of Trump in really trying to stop the War in Ukraine and at least four other wars would really demean Trumps efforts as equivalent to what shit Obama did and caused in Iraq.

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