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Is Sanders a viable candidate for the Democratic Party?

Started by clevermike31 REPLIES5,017 VIEWS· 24 Feb 2020, 10:23
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2020, 10:23
#1
24 Feb 2020, 10:23#1

After winning the majority vote in the Democrat caucuses in Iowa and Nevada - as well as in the Democrat Primary in New Hampshire the question remains - is Sanders a viable candidate to be the Democratic Party candidate in the USA?   The first real problem is that nether he nor Bloomberg can in terms of the requirements  for candidacy of he Democrats be regarded as meeting requirements set in stone - he never was a member of the Democratic Party.

Lets  take  a  look at Bermie Sanders and his background  and see what his conduct implies ad what his real relationship with Communism really implies.      

Bernie always had a serious interest in the Communist dictatorships and  his ideas  was always in the Marxist economic theories.   On paper the ideals of Marx was aimed at a wonderful  life for everybody, but  in practice  it does not work out that well.   The reason was that it was impossible to function without a command  economy and depends on a bureaucracy that did not have the real expertise in managing the economy,   It also relies totally on centralized control and totally depends on orders from the Centralized  control system.

In the USSR there always was a saying that nobody would  act on anything locally if there were no orders from Moscow.    If they did anything logically they would be in serious trouble when the Moscow decision finally arrive  - they would have been wrong and dispatch to the Gulug  camps in    Siberia  would be inevitable.  

So lets get back to Bernie Sanders.  He got married in the 1970’s and where did he went for his honeymoon?   He went to Moscow.    That in itself was never a mortal sin.   However, at the time it was not easy to get a visa to enter the USSR for anybody that would not be useful to the Communist Regime -  I tried myself to go there in 1973 and was not successful ,   Bernie apparently had no problem in getting the necessary visa from the Brezhnev Regime.    So why did they let him in if he was not a “useful idiot”?

As to Bernie’s  further comments later on in the 1980’s he became an admirer of Fidel Castro and even on TV admired some of the Castro brothers achievements.    However, the fact that they were in fact a Communist Dictatorship did not bother him at all.   He expressed openly his support for Chavez  in Venezuela – another Communist Dictator,   However, the above incidents indicates that he always was a person firmly embedded with the Marxist Regimes, and can be relied upon to serve the Marxist policies to the tee,  

Bernie and his supporters  always refer to the Social Democrats in Europe as an example as to what is achievable – but the parties themselves said they do not believe in Marxist policies.   They have expanded  social security programs  - but has built them on the back of a capitalist economic system.    The fact is that Finland that used to be one of Sanders favourite examples vanished from his list because the same  programs he advocates  bankrupted   Finland and the country  is without a functioning political Government at present.   Other countries whose Social Democrat Parties sent observers to see what is happening  in the present US primaries themselves  openly indicates that the Sanders campaign is orchestrated by elderly Marxists and  youngsters from Universities brainwashed by Marxists at the Universities.

So where to now – the pro-communist  stance is also being ridiculed as is evident from the following from  the Babylon Bee site:-

“On Wednesday the Bernie Sanders campaign was disappointed to learn that the nearly $6 million in campaign contributions was donated in Bolivars---Venezuelan currency.  When converted to US dollars, the Sanders campaign actually raised only $22.

 The press marveled at how, in just 24 hours after Bernie announced his 2020 bid for president, his contributions reached such high totals. “The Bernie Bros are definitely the most passionate bunch in the progressive party,” said political analyst Doug Parson, “but typically they take other people's money, not voluntarily donating their own."

“It was quite the letdown,” said Sanders’ campaign manager Faiz Shakir.  “That country hasn’t been doing us a lot of favors lately, but this takes the cake. Technically, we just spent our entire war chest on this morning’s parking,” he fumed. 

The Bernie campaign did reach out to Comcast to inquire about how much commercial ad space $6 million in Venezuelan bucks would get them. “Nothing,” said a Comcast official.  “But because we’re Bernie fans, we’ll give you a flicker.  Remember those subconscious flickers in Fight Club?  We’ll give you a few of those”. 

At first, Bernie himself seemed unfazed by the news, apparently because he doesn't really know what things cost.  “We can probably afford a presidential campaign on $22, right?” he asked his volunteers while waving his arms around.  When an intern told Bernie her last Starbucks run cost about that much, Bernie briefly lost consciousness.  Upon waking, Bernie softly whispered, “Blast that Howard Schultz”.    

While Bernie has now learned $22 won’t go very far in America, he was upbeat about the shopping spree he would now get to take on his next trip to Venezuela.  “I can't decide if I want to buy two slices of bread or a single potato!” Sanders exclaimed.  Bernie has often said he likes to travel to Venezuela in the fall because that’s when the days are cooler and the food lines are the longest.”

The question remains will the average voters accept a President with Marxist tendencies and the answer is NO.    

 

   

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Feb 2020, 13:54
#2
24 Feb 2020, 13:54#2

Mike wee Bernie and AOC have been a blessing in disguise. They have openly stated what the communist demonrats think. 

However it has not gone down well and the demonrat establishment are horrid at Sanders for prematurely letting the cat out of the bag. 

Chris Matthew's the Trump hating twit on MSDNC says if Sanders wins the demonrat nomination the demonrats will lose 48 states. The Bernie Bros want Chris fired! 

The second great Blessing that the commie Bernie is relates to the fact he is splitting the demonrat vote. 

The establishment represented by Bloomberg, Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar could beat Sanders but will need to settle on a candidate fast. Super delegates will also be used to shaft Bernie again and the Bernie bros will be frothing at the mouth. 

The establishment will go all out against Bernie. Already they are talking about investigating Bernie for ties to Russia. It's hilarious stuff from these morons. 

Expext rooitwit the Red to be wailing about how unfairly his hero Bernie is being treated. Hahahahaha. 

Millionaire with 3 houses Bolshevik Bernie if your typical communist fraud. The type rooitwit the Red gravitates towards! 

But to save the demonrat party from disaster the establishment think Bernie must be destroyed. 

The demonrats have as their contenders a raving marxist loon. A billionaire trying to buy the nomination. A disgusting pervert who recently was advising children how to say they are gay and publically kissing his husband. An old dotty lying corrupt clown named Biden and a serial liar named Pocahontas. It's a clown show. 

Enjoy the spectacle! 


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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
24 Feb 2020, 15:15
#3
24 Feb 2020, 15:15#3
Trump is probably the most right-wing president the US has ever had. The only reason Sanders appears to be in the running is because of this. Extreme right vs Extreme left. 
Usually, it is moderate right and moderate left that take turns in government, but Politics has swung more towards the right in recent years - mostly due to immigration issues and Muslim bombings etc. So given such a far right-wing person like Trump has got into power, it has created this opportunity for a far-left person


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2020, 17:17
#4
24 Feb 2020, 17:17#4

What is right wing in your book?  Please explain in some detail.   

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
24 Feb 2020, 17:43
#5
24 Feb 2020, 17:43#5
Super rich people that refuse to pay tax, particularly people born rich. Trump was thrown out of New York for paying no taxes. Trump does not want to provide his tax returns because it will show he has just used smart accountants to write off his business loses instead of being liable for them. 

Or religious happy-clappy politicians that combine religion with politics in order to get votes from the uneducated 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Feb 2020, 17:46
#6
24 Feb 2020, 17:46#6

Rightwing = traditional family values and accountability for one's actions...oh and no free stuff. You're supposed to work and earn your way through life....only help for poor and downtrodden who are actually incapable of fending for themselves...no freeloading by the Free-Stuff-Crowd...foreign concepts for the entitlement of the modern day leftie.

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
24 Feb 2020, 19:35
#7
24 Feb 2020, 19:35#7

Jesus = left-wing to moderate

God = far-right-wing

Spoiler alert. God sacrificed Jesus due to ideological differences. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2020, 19:51
#8
24 Feb 2020, 19:51#8

Religion has ZERO to do with modern politics and  at best is to get voter support in some cases.  I is not the preserve of any politician anyway and Trump is not using religion in his policy determination.   He based his policies on sound principles in a modern environment and that is what differentiate him from the DP - who have no policies at all.   If Biden meeting with the B lack Churches he is also an extreme right-winger?   

Fact is that religion has nothing to do with politics,  Even the Pope is regarded as a left-winger - so you are talking utter BS about it,     .     

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
24 Feb 2020, 20:15
#9
24 Feb 2020, 20:15#9
The pope is considered a left-winger ? Are you serious? Is this another fact is the fact is?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Feb 2020, 20:35
#10
24 Feb 2020, 20:35#10
Satan: pro-border anti-globalist conservative Trumpanzee.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Feb 2020, 21:03
#11
24 Feb 2020, 21:03#11

"Satan = open pro-border anti-globalist conservative modern secular leftie...the father of lies and inventor of the left Trumpanzee.

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
24 Feb 2020, 21:30
#12
24 Feb 2020, 21:30#12




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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
24 Feb 2020, 21:32
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24 Feb 2020, 21:32#13




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2020, 22:07
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24 Feb 2020, 22:07#14

You quote the above BS in response to your own BS as to religion when asked for a response your nitwit posting,   Where you got that from is a hell of a mystery to me.  They are political BS linking Trump to Jesus,   If ever there were perverted  rubbish it can be presumed that you search for that type of junk on the internet - have you got nothing else to do?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Feb 2020, 22:27
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24 Feb 2020, 22:27#15

Maybe if somebody worried about South African borders it wouldn’t be necessary to turn off the lights every day.


If there is free health care in the US and open borders, the US will be swamped.

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
24 Feb 2020, 22:56
#16
24 Feb 2020, 22:56#16

CleverWanker, you worked as a government civil servant, which is basically a socialist bureaucrat. As with the other Trumpanzees, you support Trump because he is religious. 

  1. The middle class in the US (especially younger people) are more Democratic - because of their financial status. They want some protection agains t monopolies and corporations that are destroying competition, capitalism and natural markets (E.g. perfect competition).
  2. The millionaires support Trump because it is less tax. 
  3. The happy clappies working in Mcdonald's support Trump because he is religious. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2020, 23:05
#17
24 Feb 2020, 23:05#17

You clearly have no idea about what the actual situation in the USA is about the working class, making up about 68% pf the USA voters.   He was strongly supported by that type of voters wjo have been ignored for yeas by BOTH .    Trump promised them that he would look after their interests and unlike other presidents who never implement their election promises he did what he said he would do.

That is why he would be re-elected  despite all the media hysteria.    

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
24 Feb 2020, 23:37
#18
24 Feb 2020, 23:37#18
Dummy,
Do you know the difference between working-class and middle class? 
The red necks are inlanders, and they make up most of the working class. The cities contain most of the middle class. 
It is highly unlikely that 68% of America are working-class...  Many of the working class in the US are religious and dumb, that is part of the reason they are the working class. Also part of the reason they support Trump. At the end of the day, Trump is looking after the upper-class . He just wants votes from the dummies. 

The middle class is defined by position - between the upper class and working class. ... The working class are laborers who build, assemble or grow things. The middle class work for the upper class as managers and tell the working class laborers what to do. They neither create jobs nor create tangible goods.

What is the difference between working class and middle class, if ...

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Feb 2020, 06:17
#19
25 Feb 2020, 06:17#19

Many of the working class in the US are religious and dumb, that is part of the reason they are the working class. 


Yes, a country of fools conquered  the world.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Feb 2020, 10:45
#20
25 Feb 2020, 10:45#20

Listen fool - 68% of the US voters do not have a College degree so according to you they are dumb,  That kind of idiocy is total.  That is what you call DEMOCRACY?  

No SB - you started off with your total religious BS for classing voters based on religious believes and now you base voter preferences on them being dumb because  they voted for Trump.   This is what is called in real society supreme idiocy.   

Even the workers - the real backbone of the US economy saw what has happened to them.   Their real income over the last three decades went down by 10%  meaning that their standard of living declined in that period.  The reason they voted for Trump stemmed from anger - they felt neglected and left out,   That does not mean they were dumb - they did it for the simple reason that they know basic calculation.

One has to laugh about your theory,   The DP Iowa caucuses were held three weeks ago and even by now the results are not finalized,   This was done by the brilliantly educated  minds you credit the DP leadership with,   Although they have the University degrees they seem not to understand that 1 + 1 =  2.    Simple counting is beyond their capacity.

By the way has New York not got working class people?   And that story about Trump leaving New York you come up earlier is also based on BS.   Thousands of people are leaving New York every month and Trump is just one of them - so is the mother of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez..  The reasons are excessive taxes and poor service delivery by the City of New York.   Part of the problem is the effect of thousands of homeless people sleeping in the streets turning New York into a slum where people do their toiletry openly in the streets.

Trump still have to pay taxes on his New York properties - but he does not have to stay in a stinking city environment.                         

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
25 Feb 2020, 12:35
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25 Feb 2020, 12:35#21

CleverWanker, I cant make our your ramblings. 

However, it was you who said that 68% of the US population is working class. I then explained that was impossible. 

You do not seem to understand that a successful capitalist society(like America) requires a majority middle class. Although that is part and parcel of being part of the ANC...

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
25 Feb 2020, 12:35
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25 Feb 2020, 12:35#22


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Feb 2020, 12:45
#23
25 Feb 2020, 12:45#23

So you got caught out writing tripe on site and now you rush back to personal attacks.   Happy Idiots Day to you. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Feb 2020, 13:01
#24
25 Feb 2020, 13:01#24

“ Posted by: sharkbok (10760 posts)

Feb 24, 2020, 15:15

Trump is probably the most right-wing president the US has ever had. ”

Because?

“ Trump was thrown out of New York for paying no taxes. ”

Link?

“Trump does not want to provide his tax returns because it will show he has just used smart accountants to write off his business loses instead of being liable for them. ”

Proof?

“ You do not seem to understand that a successful capitalist society(like America) requires a majority middle class. ”

I don’t think you really understand capitalism. Why don’t you explain your view of capitalism for us. Not a Googled view. Your own personal view. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Feb 2020, 14:46
#25
25 Feb 2020, 14:46#25

Super rich people that refuse to pay tax, particularly people born rich.

Sharktwit you dumbass, unless you are a complete moron you only pay the tax the law demands. Trump had assessed losses and capital allowances that in some years reduced very signifcantly the tax he had to pay. One tax return got leaked and Rachel Madcow of MSDNC was breathlessly excited until she read it out on TV that Trump had paid 39 million dollars!

FURTHER Trumps complex taxes are done by tax consultants and have been audited almost every year for the past 12 years with no problem. Given a clean bill of health.

The demonrats tried to manufacture a coup attempt out of thin air. Trump should never release his tax returns to these scumbags and there is NO legal requirement for him to do so.

Trump was thrown out of New York for paying no taxes. 

WHAT UTTER BS. Trump still operates in NY you profound moron. Where do you think trump Tower is located!

Trump does not want to provide his tax returns because it will show he has just used smart accountants to write off his business loses instead of being liable for them. 
Sharktwit how ignorant can you get. Truly astonishing!!! When a business makes a tax loss as what happened to Trump when the Real Estate market crashed in the 1990, his company made huge losses. From the accounting losses you add back non deductibles and deduct any further allowances to come to your tax assessed loss. These assessed losses are carried forward and are written off against future profits until used up.Shatktwit you are obviously no Chartered Accountant etc but to go ahead and sprout such abject BS without knowing what you are talking about shows once again what a clown you are. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Or religious happy-clappy politicians that combine religion with politics in order to get votes from the uneducated What monumental stupidity!!
Now ou rooitwit and sharktwit will be wailing away how mean Beeno is for ripping poor sharktwvt to shreds. Bwahahahahahahahaha
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2020, 09:10
#26
26 Feb 2020, 09:10#26

SB

You were carrying on about the educated elite being supportive of the DP and the  dumb voting for the RP,   I merely referred to the 68%  of the voters in the USA being people without College degrees,  

Your division between working class and the middle class is bizarre to say the least.   In the 68% there are various categories as well.   There are some -

*   dumb bunnies being film stars and musicians - who are in the musical, movies and sport cadres and  who are in he extreme rich class and are too dumb to realize why they support the DP or think it is fashionable when in the millionaire class and definitely not in the middle class;

*    there are owners of media, and small  enterprises and farm owners who are basically in the middle class and are in the main supporting the Republicans;

*    residents who in the USA is staying in suburbia and is strictly based on income and  are mainly in the middle class and who in the main support the RP; 

*    public servants who are basically in the middle class and in the Democratically governed states and in Washington are basically appointed on a patronage system and basically nearly totally Democrat supporters, while in the RP controlled states the same political patronage system applies - but to a lesser extent.

*    pensioners with a varied range of incomes that generally in the middle class  and are conservatives

The idea to categorize  people living in small towns and in rural areas as dumb is what can bee expected from idiots like Clinton who calls them "deplorables" and you seem to go the same way.   To just write off the farmers as Bloomberg did is self-destructive and while the city dwellers has to eat the disregard for the basic products of the farmers without people cannot survive is dumb. 

So what you came up insofar as your categorization  of voters are concerned can at best be regarded as supreme ignorance of the situation in the USA and total dependence on what is coming out of CNN and other media organizations who are the propaganda arm of the Democrats.  They faithfully apply the norms of Goebbels and Pravda in their reporting - lies repeated often enough may end up in people believing they are true.     .        

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
26 Feb 2020, 13:14
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26 Feb 2020, 13:14#27

@Ceradunce.


1. “I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse,” he said, describing his decision as the “best for all concerned.”

Some New York leaders shared the sentiment. “Good riddance,” Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo tweeted. “It’s not like Mr. Trump paid taxes here anyway. He’s all yours, Florida.”



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Feb 2020, 13:31
#28
26 Feb 2020, 13:31#28

@Ceradunce.




1. “I have been treated very badly by the political leaders of both the city and state. Few have been treated worse,” he said, describing his decision as the “best for all concerned.”


Some New York leaders shared the sentiment. “Good riddance,” Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo tweeted. “It’s not like Mr. Trump paid taxes here anyway. He’s all yours, Florida.”



That proves absolutely nothing and does not even answer one question asked by Cera.


From one of your links:

"In his Twitter posts on Thursday night, the president claimed that he paid “millions of dollars in city, state and local taxes each year.” There is no way to fact-check his assertion; he has never released his tax returns." 


That's true for the opposite argument too.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Feb 2020, 13:46
#29
26 Feb 2020, 13:46#29

His tax affairs are in order according to the IRS. He has paid that which was due under US Tax law. End of Story. 

Andrew Cuomo is a far far left marxist. Loves abortion, open borders etc. Real scumbag. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2020, 14:16
#30
26 Feb 2020, 14:16#30

Andrew Cuomo and  his bother at CNN are both known as Fredo - based on the movie The Godfather, the weak son of Don Vito Corleone,  Those two are real bad news and one of them went missing recently when campaigning to become the US President,  They are both extreme socialists - that is Communists,    

The BSters are both millionaires - but want further money to steal in the normal socialist way,  Wonder what they say about the thousands of other residents who fled New York because of the way they carry on.  

The elder brother wanted to see Trump about the sanctions he put on the City of New York as a sanctuary city while their homeless population grows in leaps and bounds.   Got a deserved mouthful from Trump  and left empty-handed.  

New York is self-destructing and becoming like a Third World City same as San Friancisco and Las Vegas,   There will soon be two classes in that city - the extreme rich and the extreme poor,  The middle class will move to New Jersey and other places outside of New York and if they do not have to work in New York to States as  far away as possible from that city,

Anyway - Liberals are mad and besotted with one idea,   They want to steal money from the poor and to hell with them.   Gove them food stamps to eat and let the stay in slums as far as they are concerned.   One has to admit that New York State is in a mess, just like all the cities and States Governed by the  Democrats.   

                .     .    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Feb 2020, 14:16
#31
26 Feb 2020, 14:16#31

Andrew Cuomo and  his bother at CNN are both known as Fredo - based on the movie The Godfather, the weak son of Don Vito Corleone,  Those two are real bad news and one of them went missing recently when campaigning to become the US President,  They are both extreme socialists - that is Communists,    

The BSters are both millionaires - but want further money to steal in the normal socialist way,  Wonder what they say about the thousands of other residents who fled New York because of the way they carry on.  

The elder brother wanted to see Trump about the sanctions he put on the City of New York as a sanctuary city while their homeless population grows in leaps and bounds.   Got a deserved mouthful from Trump  and left empty-handed.  

New York is self-destructing and becoming like a Third World City same as San Friancisco and Las Vegas,   There will soon be two classes in that city - the extreme rich and the extreme poor,  The middle class will move to New Jersey and other places outside of New York and if they do not have to work in New York to States as  far away as possible from that city,

Anyway - Liberals are mad and besotted with one idea,   They want to steal money from the poor and to hell with them.   Gove them food stamps to eat and let the stay in slums as far as they are concerned.   One has to admit that New York State is in a mess, just like all the cities and States Governed by the  Democrats.   

                .     .    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Feb 2020, 14:33
#32
26 Feb 2020, 14:33#32

Las Vegas or Los Angeles?  

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