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James Comey confirms FBI is investigating possible Russia-Trump links, dismisses wiretapping claims

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
21 Mar 2017, 00:58
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21 Mar 2017, 00:58#1

Donald Trump's claim that the Obama administration had "wire-tapped" his Trump Tower headquarters has been thoroughly and publicly debunked by FBI director James Comey.

In his much-anticipated appearance before a Congressional committee hearing, Mr Comey demolished the President's assertion, made in a tweet on Saturday March 4.

"The FBI has no evidence to support those tweets", Mr Comey revealed. Although members of Congress who have been privy to classified briefings have made similar declarations, the director's comment was the first public admission from anyone in a privileged position of knowledge within the US intelligence community that the President's claim had no basis in fact. Mr Comey had clearly anticipated the line of questioning from the most senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, and volunteered to the Congressman that the over-arching Department of Justice did not have any evidence to support Mr Trump's allegations either.

Mr Schiff also put to Mr Comey the President's tweeted assertion that the wire-tapping "is McCarthyism!"

"We have no information to support them [the tweets]. I try very hard not to engage in any 'isms'," Mr Comey replied.

Sitting alongside the FBI director was the other significant figure in the US electronic intelligence gathering community, Mike Rogers of the National Security Agency.

Admiral Rogers also spoke frankly of the NSA's frustration with the President's commentary on intelligence matters since his initial tweets in March.

Asked if the NSA had requested the British agency GCHQ to "wire-tap" Trump Towers on its behalf, Admiral Rogers replied: "No sir. Nor would I — that would be expressly against the construct of the Five Eyes agreement that has been in place for decades."

Comey officially confirms Russia investigation

Last week, during a visit to the Oval Office by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Mr Trump had joked that "at least we have something in common" — a reference to Edward Snowden's intelligence leaks in 2013, which revealed US eavesdropping on the German leader's phone in 2010.

Responding to questions on the President's quip, Admiral Rogers admitted that the President's decision to raise that surveillance "certainly complicates things" with German intelligence partners, but added that he believed "the relationship is strong enough" to withstand any damage.

The Intelligence Committee hearing has also delivered an official, if guarded, acknowledgement by the FBI that it is in the midst of a thorough investigation into Russian involvement in last year's US election, including any coordination by members of the Trump campaign team.

"I have been authorised by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian Government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 Presidential election," Mr Comey said.

"And that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian Government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts.

"As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed." While noting that the investigation was "open, ongoing and is classified" the FBI director refused to say whose conduct was under investigation.

'Leaks are serious matters'

Whenever questioned about the activities of former national security advisor Mike Flynn and other Trump campaign officials including Paul Manafort, Mr Comey offered a stern "no comment".

The admission opens the possibility that figures associated with the Trump campaign team were being examined for their links with Russia, but were not necessarily the subject of intelligence surveillance — and certainly not "wire-tapping", as the President has claimed.

Republican members of the Committee used their questions to the FBI and NSA directors to probe the spate of leaks of top-secret classified intelligence to the US media from around the time the Trump administration took office.

Mr Comey assured Congress that "leaks are serious, serious matters".

Admiral Rogers added that he had "raised this directly with my own workforce over the course of the last few months to remind everyone that part of the ethics of our profession, not just a legal requirement, as intelligence professionals is that we do not engage in this activity".

"I also reminded the men and women of the NSA, if I become aware of any such conduct there is no place for you on this team," he said.

The White House has not responded to any the testimony, but Mr Trump had sought to pre-empt it with an another series of tweets hours before the hearings.

"The real story that Congress, the FBI and all others should be looking into is the leaking of Classified information. Must find leaker now!" the President wrote.

"The Democrats made up and pushed the Russian story as an excuse for running a terrible campaign. Big advantage in Electoral College & lost!"

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Mar 2017, 10:45
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21 Mar 2017, 10:45#2
This is when you have to try and move away from the MSM (Main Stream Media). They report on the bits, during the hearing that they like and which suits their agenda. In order to avoid the MSM's titbits, you need to have a look at the entire picture and if you can get hold of it, footage of the actual hearings.
The BBC, who are on a similar footing have done exactly what this article has done. I was busy watching the actual still busy watching the live stream of the hearings when the 10pm BBC news came up. Their reporting followed the same narrative as this article. They reported mainly on the line of questioning by Adam Schiff, a Democrat and fierce supporter of Hillary Clinton. Coincidentally he, like Elijah Cummings were also trying to cover HC's ass during the Benghazi hearings as well as the email saga.
They, this article and the BBC, have failed to mention the questioning by the likes of Trey Gowdy and David Nunes, the chairman of the hearing. 
The funny thing is that the media has now latched onto the part about the investigation into the alleged  Tr.ump/Russia ties and are treating it as concrete evidence that DT and the Russians have actually colluded and rigged the elections. They are creating the impression that the FBI have, autonomously, decided to investigate the matter. The truth, though, is that DT asked for the matter be investigated to the full the moment that it break the news. 
The other truth, which the MSM are  ignoring like a stop sign, is the fact that the so-called Russian ties is not the main force behind this hearing and this is why the media are not reporting on the Gowdy, et al, line of questioning. The main drive behind the hearing is the leaking of classified govt information, a massive crime, to the media. See why the media is not reporting on that? Because they are actually involved in the crime. Not only were their leaks about classified govt information, there were also leaks about ongoing FBI investigations. Another serious crime involving the same MSM.
You have to listen carefully exactly what Comey refused to comment on and why, and for get about the opinions of the MSM. Listen to the footage and form your own opinion. One minor detail about Comey's refusals is that these hearings have a "public hearing" part which is open for the public and a "secure hearing" which often takes place in a scif (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility). Many of the questions that he refused to answer will be answered in the closed hearing. Others will not be answered because he refused to be drawn into speculation and opinion forming like the media has done. 
Do yourself a favour and listen to the entire hearing. It is on YouTube. You could also watch shorter clips of the questioning by specific persons on the panel, if you would not want to watch the entire thing. I always try to watch the entire hearing but that takes a lot of time. The final hearings on the Benghazi attacks were something like nine hours. Hillary's email hearings were more than eleven hours.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Mar 2017, 11:07
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21 Mar 2017, 11:07#3
 Jeez vlag, you must  have a l ove affair with politics .
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Mar 2017, 12:09
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21 Mar 2017, 12:09#4
  It is not a love affair with politics. It is an interest in the subject, that's all. Some people are interested in theatre, others like music, others like sci-fi, etc, etc. I like politics.
The thing about politics is that what the main stream media reports on the subject is not the half of it. Not even remotely. The media is much more involved in shady BS behind politics than many would like to believe. It is no secret that CNN was fully behind Hillary and sort of actively campaign for her, although they denied it as far as they could. That was until two of their commentators had a slip of the tongue where they said something  to the tune of "Well, it is all up to the voters and Hillary now. We have helped her as far as we possibly could and the people now just need to go and vote for her". 
It is because of that reason that I prefer to follow these things as they happen and if that is not possible, I try to find the footage of what happened or what was said. You would notice that I hardly took notice or commented to Beeno directly  on his ramblings. I never read his copy and paste efforts. I looked at the facts. 
At this stage, the only facts that we have of this issue in particular are:
1. That  DT has accused Obama of wire-tapping. There are allegedly, at this stage, no evidence of wire-tapping. That is a fact. The investigation is ongoing, though. 
2. Someone (Obama?) has ordered a request for a wire-tap. That was denied by the court. A second application was lodged and that  was granted.
3. Classified information and information regarding an ongoing FBI investigation was leaked to the media. 
4. Obama did, shortly prior to his departure from the White House, put measures in place to make sure that information to discredit DT gets leaked. 
Obama's issue is that he was supposed to go down as this great statesman and leader who fixed everything. In the end he will go down is a clown who stuffed up more than he fixed. He lied to the American public. People are up in arms about DT's executive orders. You will be surprised when you see Obama's executive orders. His orders on immigration, for example, is shocking. You should search for the hearings on the ATF hearings into gun-walking and Operation Fast and Furious. It is better than many spy movies.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Mar 2017, 12:26
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21 Mar 2017, 12:26#5
"The thing about politics is that what the main stream media reports on the subject is not the half of it. Not even remotely. The media is much more involved in shady BS behind politics than many would like to believe".Dense denise is a globalist dupe and sucks up everything they say.
Windpomp I commend you for seeing through the elite globalist propaganda. After 8 months of the Russian BS they have made complete fools of themselves. Their demonization of Russia is also about hating the Russian independence of their Globalist world order. This of course is the fundamental reason they hate Trump as well.There are heaps of people who have been under surveillance. There was even a democrat Congressman who came onto Hannity and said he had been under surveillance! This whole Russian hoax look to be backfiring in a spectacular fashion:PER WND NEWS

The big losers of the Russian hacking scandal may yet be those who invested all their capital in a script that turned out to based on a fairy tale.

In Monday’s House Intelligence Committee hearings, James Comey did confirm that his FBI has found nothing to support President Trump’s tweet that President Obama ordered him wiretapped. Not unexpected, but undeniably an embarrassment for the tweeter-in-chief.(THIS ISSUE IS FAR FORM DONE - PLUS TRUMP CAN QUOTE NUMEROUS MSM WHO SAID THERE WAS TAPPING. HOW EMBARRASING TO THE GLOBALIST MSM)

Yet longer-term damage may have been done to the left. For Monday’s hearing showed that its rendering of the campaign of 2016 may be a product of fiction and a fevered imagination.

After eight months investigating the hacking and leaking of the emails of Clinton campaign chief John Podesta and the DNC, there is apparently no evidence yet of Trump collusion with Russia.

Former Director of National Intelligence Gen. James Clapper has said that, as of his departure day, Jan. 20, he had seen no evidence of a Russia-Trump collusion.

Former acting CIA Director Michael Morell also made that clear this month: “On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all. … There’s no little campfire, there’s no little candle, there’s no spark. And there’s a lot of people looking for it.” Morell was a surrogate for the Hillary Clinton campaign.

But while the FBI is still searching for a Trump connection, real crimes have been unearthed – committed by anti-Trump bureaucrats colluding with mainstream media – to damage Trump’s presidency.

There is hard evidence of collusion between the intel community and the New York Times and the Washington Post, both beneficiaries of illegal leaks – felonies punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

While the howls have been endless that Trump accused Obama of a “felony,” the one provable felony here was the leak of a transcript of an intercepted conversation between Gen. Michael Flynn and the Russian ambassador.

That leak ended Flynn’s career as national security adviser. And Director Comey would neither confirm nor deny that President Obama was aware of the existence of the Flynn transcript.

So where do we stand after yesterday’s hearing and eight-month FBI investigation? The Russians did hack Podesta’s email account and the DNC, and while the FBI has found no evidence of Trump campaign collusion with the Russians, it is still looking.

However, the known unknowns seem more significant.

How could DNI Director Clapper and CIA Director Morell say that no connection had been established between Trump’s campaign and the Russians, without there having been an investigation? And how could such an investigation be conclusive in exonerating Trump’s associates – without some use of electronic surveillance?

Like the reporting you see here? Sign up for free news alerts from WND.com, America’s independent news network.

Did the FBI fly to Moscow and question Putin’s cyberwarfare team?

More questions arise. If, in its investigation of the Russian hacking and a Trump connection, the FBI did receive the fruits of some electronic surveillance of the Trump campaign, were Attorney General Loretta Lynch, White House aides or President Obama made aware of any such surveillance? Did any give a go-ahead to surveil the Trump associates? Comey would neither confirm nor deny that they did.

So, if Obama were aware of an investigation into the Trump campaign, using intel sources and methods, Trump would not be entirely wrong in his claims, and Obama would have some ‘splainin’ to do.

Is the FBI investigating the intelligence sources who committed felonies by illegally disclosing information about the Trump campaign?

Comey would not commit to investigate these leaks, though this could involve criminal misconduct within his own FBI.

Again, the only known crimes committed by Americans during and after the campaign are the leaks of security secrets by agents of the intel community, colluding with the Fourth Estate, which uses the First Amendment to provide cover for criminal sources, whom they hail as “whistleblowers.”

Indeed, if there was no surveillance of Trump of any kind, where did all these stories come from, which their reporters attributed to “intelligence sources”?

Attorney General Jeff Sessions has recused himself from any role in the Russian hacking scandal. But the Justice Department should demand that the FBI put the highest priority on investigating the deep state and its journalistic collaborators in the sabotage of the Trump presidency.

Are you, too, in the left’s “basket of deplorables”? Tell the world with WND’s bumper sticker

If Comey refuses to do it, appoint a special counsel.

In the last analysis, as Glenn Greenwald, no Trumpite, writes for The Intercept, the real loser may well be the Democratic Party.

If the investigation of Russiagate turns up no link between Trump and the pilfered emails, Democrats will have egg all over their faces. And the Democratic base will have to face a painful truth.

Vladimir Putin did not steal this election. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama lost it. Donald Trump won it fair and square. He is not an “illegitimate” president. There will be no impeachment. They were deceived and misled by their own leaders and media. They bought into a Big Lie


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Mar 2017, 13:23
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21 Mar 2017, 13:23#6
 You see, Beeno, you are also latching onto fake reporting. This article fairly accurate but it also fails the objectivity test in that it is not 100% accurate in order to have a go at the Democrats and are clearly biased to DT. I prefer no bias because overly bias towards DT could also lead to disaster. Look at what happened when Andrew Napolitano, a judge nogal, talked crap about blaming GCHQ for the hacks. That was on Fox news which was as biased towards DT as CNN was towards Hillary Clinton.
Just on some of the points in the article:

"After 8 months of the Russian BS they have made complete fools of themselves."
That is not accurate. There is very good evidence of Russian efforts at intervention. They not only hacked into the DNC computers. They also attempted to hack into the RNC computers. They hacked into Hillary Clinton's emails. They hacked into John Podesta's emails, etc, etc.
"After eight months investigating the hacking and leaking of the emails of Clinton campaign chief John Podesta and the DNC, there is apparently no evidence yet of [removed] collusion with Russia."
True but there were hackings, into those computers by the Russians. GCHQ in the UK has recently released numbers of attempted computer hacking by the Russians that were blocked. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, it was actually GCHQ who warned the US of the attempted Russian hacking. 
"Is the FBI investigating the intelligence sources who committed felonies by illegally disclosing information about the [removed] campaign?"
Yes they are. That is why Comey refused to comment on it. He has said it numerous times during his replies to Trey Gowdy.
"Comey would not commit to investigate these leaks, though this could involve criminal misconduct within his own FBI"
He could not commit to them in open hearing but his whole testimony to Trey Gowdy stops just short of actually confirming that they are investigating it. 
On your comments:
"If the investigation of Russiagate turns up no link between [removed] and the pilfered emails, Democrats will have egg all over their faces. And the Democratic base will have to face a painful truth."
That has already happened because that has already been confirmed. That is why Adam Schiff has now almost made a complete U-turn on their story. His latest theory is basically: "OK. If DT has not colluded with the Russians, then they rigged the elections in another way. They have released the leaked emails, by John Podesta and Hillary, in order to decimate her campaign and to help DT win". So, in other words they seem to (sort of) have let go of the idea that it was actually DT but they still believe that his victory was due to interference from the Russians.
What they do not realise that even though the emails were leaked, Hillary has committed several crimes as far as national security is concerned and she is not fully off the hook yet. 
"Vladimir Putin did not steal this election. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama lost it."
That is true but Obama and his, and the Democrats', policies and scaniving played a bigger role than Hillary's kak election campaign. What cannot be denied is that the intervention of the Russians could well have played a role in swaying voters, especially "fence sitters".
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Mar 2017, 19:49
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21 Mar 2017, 19:49#7
 Vlag , there is no proof of Russia hacking anything. There are indications that some of the hacks seemed to be from Russian IP 's, but any hacker on this level knows how to disguise an IP. Assange said the leaks of the DNC mails did not come from Russian soarces. Strange that WL also had a reward for a substantial ammount for any information on the murder of a DNC member just after the leaks. These leaks were most probably from the inside of the DNC themselves. What the DNC seems to be quiet about is the content of the leaks. No one seems to be worried about the unsesputed corruption exposed by it. It was rather the content than the leaks themselve that sank Hildabeast. Trump had his own scandals to deal with, but he still won. The main issue what the Dems seem not to understand is that Hillary was simply a very bad candidate.  She and Bill by extension had too much baggage. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Mar 2017, 21:09
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21 Mar 2017, 21:09#8
 The hackers do know how to disguise IPs but the cyber security bofs also know ho to trace them. No, there are enough proof that there were hacks or at least attempted hacks and they were from Russia. The guys at GCHQ are on top of their game and there are many who reckon that they are the best in the world. As I said elsewhere, as far as I know they are the guys who actually warned the Democrats that the Russians have actually hacked their systems.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/07/russia-us-election-hacking-uk-intelligence

http://www.france24.com/en/20170108-british-intelligence-among-first-sound-alarm-russia-usa-election-hacks-DNC
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Mar 2017, 21:48
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21 Mar 2017, 21:48#9
 Lots of smoke and mirrors. ..not like the Yanks never meddled in other countries ' ellections....nooo!
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Mar 2017, 23:35
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21 Mar 2017, 23:35#10
 That's true. Obama recently waltzed in over here and tried to threaten the Brits into dropping the Brexit idea.
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