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Jesse Watters calls Flynn case 'an Obama scandal,' predicts more revelations to come: 'It's about to get ugly

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 May 2020, 13:12
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09 May 2020, 13:12#1

Obummer, the most corrupt president in US history could now be facing treason charges.


Jesse Watters said on "The Five" Friday that the prosecution of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was an "Obama scandal" that went "all the way to the top" of the 44th president's administration.

"It's not about FBI misbehavior. It's about Obama. This is an Obama scandal," Watters said. "This goes all the way to the top."

The "Watters' World" host then predicted that history would view former President Barack Obama as "the most corrupt politician ever."

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Winners write history, and Donald Trump won in 2016," Watters said. "He's probably going to win again and each day he has his guys in there looking around, they are finding more and more evidence that this thing was the most crooked, disgusting thing that's ever been perpetrated on a presidential campaign."

Watters alleged that Obama had to know about the investigation into the Trump campaign on the grounds that counterintelligence investigations always are done with the knowledge or at the order of the commander-in-chief.

"They are not done for the FBI or the CIA. They are done for Barack Obama or whoever is president at the time," he said. "They had to take Flynn out because Flynn was incoming and he was going to see all the things they had done: the dossier, the wiretapping, the spies, the leaks, the lies.

"They knew they couldn't get [Flynn] any other way, so we now have evidence that there was an Oval Office meeting with [then-FBI Director James] Comey and Biden ... and Barack Obama, and [then-Deputy Attorney General Sally Q. Yates] said that Barack Obama knew about the phone call between Flynn and the [Russian] ambassador; perfectly legal," he continued.

Watters then ripped Comey for using the Logan Act of 1799 as a "B.S. excuse" to allegedly "sting" Flynn.

" We are going to find out more, and we have documents coming in tomorrow, next week, that show even worse things," Watters projected. "So buckle up, everybody. It's about to get ugly."




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 May 2020, 13:37
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09 May 2020, 13:37#2

The Logan Act was not used since 1852 and the charged individual was found not guilty.    The FISA applications are rarely used - the FBI turned it into a FISA factory stream.  

The fact is that the whole process inclusive of the Mueller investigation was controlled by Obama and the FBI and Justice Departments believed that if they work together they would be able to get rid of Trump and apparently Obama thought the same.  With Trump gone corrupting of the Government would be re-instated,  

Wonder what the next bombshell would be?      

 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 May 2020, 11:55
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10 May 2020, 11:55#3


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
12 May 2020, 19:18
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12 May 2020, 19:18#4

So, the FBI was deliberately out to get Flynn in a perjury trap. Before the case was dismissed, Trump said that he was considering pardoning him. Obviously the far left looneys went ballistic, as ou Maaikie always says.

But what about this? No perjury trap, nothing. No “innocent chat without legal representation required”. He was interrogated, obviously Marandized as well and he lied to FBI agents, and then Obama pardoned him before sentencing. Imagine Trump pardoning either of Flynn, Stone, Manafort or Cohen before sentencing? 

Obama Pardons James Cartwright, General Who Lied to F.B.I. in Leak Case

By Charlie SavageJan. 17, 2017

James E. Cartwright, a retired Marine general, arriving at Federal District Court in Washington in October.Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Tuesday pardoned James E. Cartwright, a retired Marine Corps general and former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I. about his discussions with reporters about Iran’s nuclear program, saving him from a possible prison sentence.

General Cartwright, who was a key member of Mr. Obama’s national security team in his first term and earned a reputation as the president’s favorite general, pleaded guilty late last year to misleading investigators looking into the leaking of classified information about cyberattacks against Iran.

He was due to be sentenced this month. His defense team had asked for a year of probation and 600 hours of community service, but prosecutors had asked the judge overseeing his case to send him to prison for two years.

Now, the retired general will be spared such punishment.

Both General Cartwright and his lawyer, Gregory Craig, a former White House counsel to Mr. Obama, thanked the president in statements. “The president’s decision is wise and just, and it achieves the right result,” Mr. Craig said. “It allows General Cartwright to continue his life’s work — to serve, protect and defend the nation he loves. It allows the nation to continue to benefit from his vast experience and knowledge.”

General Cartwright left government in 2011. The leak investigation that ensnared him began in June 2012, when David E. Sanger, a reporter for The New York Times, published a book, “Confront and Conceal,” and an article in The Times that described Operation Olympic Games, an American-Israeli covert effort to sabotage Iranian nuclear centrifuges with a computer virus. F.B.I. agents came to believe that General Cartwright had also been a source for a February 2012 Newsweek article that discussed cyberattacks against Iran.

But when F.B.I. agents interviewed the retired general about the book and articles, he initially lied about his discussions with the journalists, according to a government sentencing memo.

The memo said the agents showed the general emails that contradicted his account, and he passed out and was hospitalized. Several days later, when the interview resumed, he changed his account of the discussions.

General Cartwright’s defense team has argued that he spoke with the reporters in order to shape stories they had already reported and to try to prevent publication of more damaging information. Prosecutors had cast doubt on that theory, arguing that he did not articulate this approach when they interviewed him.

But in a background briefing with reporters, a senior White House official said Mr. Obama had made his decision in part because of General Cartwright’s description of his motive, as well as because of a letter by Mr. Sanger saying that he had already learned about the program before speaking to the general and that the conversation with the general informed his thinking about which information to withhold.

In a statement, Mr. Sanger said he was “happy to see that President Obama has taken this step,” reiterating that he had had “many sources, from around the world” and that General Cartwright had “showed concern that information damaging to U.S. interests not be made public.”

Mr. Sanger added: “The Times has frequently said that stories like this one are critical to helping Americans understand how decisions on vital national security matters are made. Leak investigations have the effect of making people less willing to talk, and the result is often a loss for our democracy.”

In November, General Cartwright agreed to a plea deal to bring an end to the four-year investigation in which he pleaded guilty to misleading the F.B.I., but not to the unauthorized disclosure of information. At his plea hearing, he said that it was “wrong” to have misled the F.B.I. and that he accepted full responsibility.

“I knew I was not the source of the story, and I didn’t want to be blamed for the leak,” he said then. “My only goal in talking to the reporters was to protect American interests and lives; I love my country and continue to this day to do everything I can to defend it.”

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 May 2020, 20:03
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12 May 2020, 20:03#5

Hahahahahhaahhahaha yes Jonathan Turley also mentions this case and also says Flynn never committed perjury.

The Kenyan is in big trouble. After all that has been thrown at Trump he must be very angry.

Rudy Giuliana reckons Comey must be tried for treason. But he i s of course not the only one.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
13 May 2020, 00:33
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13 May 2020, 00:33#6

I have high regard for Giuliani’s legal acumen and I am not even close to being a legal expert, but people use the terms treason and traitor much too loosely. Especially when it comes to the USA. My guess is that Giuliani probably used it for dramatic effect. 

In the USA you can only be tried for treason under war conditions. Section 3 of the 3rd Amendment deals with it:

“  Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. “

I’m not claiming this as my own expertise. I saw it somewhere and checked it up. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
13 May 2020, 00:50
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13 May 2020, 00:50#7
Your witch hunt will just be a few meaningless actions, whilst the Trumpanzees bite their blanket edges in hope- The FBI could not give this 2 seconds thought. 
Sorry folks but there is bigger fish to fry. The US has just launched operation "get rid of Trump". Obama is back into politics and he is devoting to next 6 months to getting the Democrats back in control. Many billionaires are throwing money behind the Democrats to get rid of Trump. Even the smarter Republican governors are more likely to prefer anything but Trump. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 May 2020, 06:54
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13 May 2020, 06:54#8

Indeed, like 4 years ago...

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
13 May 2020, 08:12
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13 May 2020, 08:12#9

“ Posted by: sharkbok (11551 posts)

May 13, 2020, 00:50

Your witch hunt will just be a few meaningless actions, whilst the Trumpanzees bite their blanket edges in hope- The FBI could not give this 2 seconds thought.   “

Sorry mate, you are the one in Lalaland. This is getting real. The damage for the left is real. Stuff that has remained in the dark for years is boiling out in the open. This is no longer a little fantasy game that has been played by the media with all the false info and diversions that they have willingly participated in. Obama is exactly the one who is suddenly being exposed. 

His “return to politics” is not to save the Dems. It is to try and save Obama. He has never given two shits about the people. It has always been about him and his so-called legacy. In addition, he was hoodwinked by his puppet masters and he fell for this Boy Wonder image that they built of him. He himself believed that he was invincible. He was never the Messiah that he was supposed to be and the American people has found it out. 

There is a principle in business that they do not teach you in textbooks. It comes with experience. It is easy to get new customers, but it is very difficult to win back old disgruntled customers. Obama and the Dems are busy trying to win back old disgruntled customers.  Problem is that this is not a monocycle that they are trying to turn around. This is a massive fully laden oil tanker and they are trying to make a U-turn in the Panama Canal. 

Those walls that the lapdogs on TV that they were talking about, that was supposed to be closing in on Trump... Dem walls, dey are a closin’ in on da Dem. Pun intended. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 May 2020, 10:05
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13 May 2020, 10:05#10

SB

As per normal you are indeed clueless about anything political,  especially insofar as Obama is  concerned,   I will just give you a few examples and go back to 2008.   In the election he was up against McCane - an extremely poor candidate with a sorry political  history after coming into the US politics as a war hero from the Vietnam War.   He was from the so-called Republican Party establishment - which had the same stinking reputation as the Democratic Party establishment,   Obama was a relative new candidate without the real Establishment ties.

So lets see what happened in 2008 in the Rust Belt States - Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania - as well as North Carolina, Iowa and  Florida,   He won them all,   In 2008 counties where he won by 14 to 25% in 2008 - he still won but only by about 5 to 10% in 2012.   Why - because the voters found out that none of what he advertised ever turned into anything positive,   

In the 2016 both Obama and his wife campaigned hard for Clinton in the above states so what happened?   In one key country in with a high voter number in Pennsylvania which he won by 35% in 2008 and 22% in 2012  Clinton lost by 28%.  

The fact is the media published fake poll numbers to indicate how big support for Obama and Clinton was - but they only bluffed themselves not the voters,   As a President Obama achieved nothing in the interest of the voters and even Obamacare -his main legacy -  turned into a nightmare for the voters,   In the months before the 2016 election the monthly payments by members increased by  60%.

Since then the situation hardened and the fact is that the factories in the rust belt states that already announced that they would  relocate to Mexico was threatened with massive import duties by Trump - who tore up the NAFTA  treaty with Canada and Mexico - remained in the USA.   The same happened to factories that was already in China or supposed to move there.

So what happened with the wonderful coronavirus  that was supposed to save the Democratic Party in the 2020 election.  It  turned into  hatred against China in the USA,   The media tried to blame Trump - the voters blame China.   The close relationship  between the DP leadership and the Chinese Government is not helping the DP at all.   The issue is hurting the Democrats badly and scandals in the Obama administration - that is now becoming clear - is not going to help them either,   

There were two by-elections for congressional seats yesterday-one in California and one in Wisconsin.   In Wisconsin the Republicans won easily - in California the Republican after voting day is well ahead, but the Democrat fraud machine kicked in.  It worked this way.   For 14  days after election day  Democratic Party field workers collect votes from "voters" and deliver them to be counted,   The harvesting produced 250 000 such "votes" in San Diego in 2018 and changed Republican majorities into Democrat majorities.   The same system is in operation in that Los Angeles seat where they voted yesterday,   

What happened is patently DP illegal practices and is bound to end up in the Supreme Court soon.

If your doomsday projection for Trump is realistic - it would have shown in the election yesterday,  It did not.  And whatever Obama comes up with is going to damage the DP further, especially as proof of corruption comes out,   The more he campaigns for the DP  the worst it would be for them.          

                

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