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Jimmy Dore shows video of Ukrainian Ambassador who was involved in peace talks saying Putin wanted peace

Started by Beeno110 REPLIES2,280 VIEWS· 31 Jan 2024, 05:09
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Jan 2024, 05:09
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31 Jan 2024, 05:09#1

Another nail in the coffin of arch deceiver and liar mozzietard. 

Now take a look at this Jimmy Dore video and see for yourself.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Jan 2024, 12:06
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31 Jan 2024, 12:06#2

Given how embarrassing this clip is to the war hawks here it deserves a bump. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2024, 13:16
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31 Jan 2024, 13:16#3

Mozart

You, clai.med according  to comments from some Ukrainian oficials that they withdrew from the talks because of the killing of people in a massacre.

H is whole narrative came from the Wall Street Journal - must we believe the Russians want  peace - and so did the Ukraine and EU countries?    So how come the negotiations brake down weeeks af ter the alleged massacre took place.    

So everybody bar the USA wanted  war in Ukraine.   In fact the statement of the Turkish Foreign Ministry that the Ukraine Foreign Minister left the meeting on instruction from Washington was true.    

The media lies are all lspped up by you - and my only observation is check your facts before writing or quoting BS on site.     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Feb 2024, 02:42
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01 Feb 2024, 02:42#4

‘Putin understood his mistake and really wanted to reach a peaceful settlement’….in April 22. So they had Boris Johnson go to Ukraine to kill the deal.

Which of course is nonsense as I documented earlier. It was the atrocities that sank negotiations.

But here’s the thing …..’Putin understood his mistake’. That part rings true, he thought he would walk into Ukraine and 2 years later still looks like a fool.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Feb 2024, 02:50
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01 Feb 2024, 02:50#5

America is occupying Syria….and what part are they occupying, the region with the oil. Incredible. America is denying drilling permits to get oil in its own territory, but they are going to war in Syria for the sole purpose of getting the oil.

These conspiracists are disgusting self servers….but mostly they are dumb. And their followers are even more stupid.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Feb 2024, 06:39
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01 Feb 2024, 06:39#6

Mozart

So the Ukraine Ambassador to Turkey is a conspiracy theorist?    You came up with BS about the Turkish negotiations and denied that Zelenskyy signed the agreement negotiated by Macron existed.    What a load of rubbish.    Tel me just one thing -  how much  oil did the USA .imported in 2019 and h ow much are they imported at present.

Now back to another misrepresentation.  The Russian Invasion took place on circa 24 February - the Macron deal was signed  on circa 7 February 2022  and  unlike your lie that here was no such deal - the signing  was made known in a press briefing after the signature in Kiev.    The visit by Johnson was somewhere in the week around 12 to 18 February 2022 - so it had nothing  to do with the .Istanbul negotiations  in April 2022 - which is a topic of discussion in this case.

In any event perhaps Putin misjudged the determination of the USA  Government to undermine peace negotiations and being  determined to ensure a war started.    If ever there were criminals involved in starting of the war in Ukraine look no further than the Biden White House and the Armaments industry in the USA.     

*    In February 2014 the USA organized and funded  coup in Ukraine and openly admitted that they want certain politicians to take over the Government  in Ukraine -  Nuland openly said who should eb appointed and promised to introduceing  some of the enw appoin tees to Joe Biden.   Most of the enw appointees came from the Bandera Committee - Bandera was the leader of the Nazi's in Ukraine in WW2.    Th e only requirement for appointment was hatred of all things Russian.   At the same time the Ukraine Constitution was scrapped by the  USA proxy Government in Ukraine and from then onwards the attacks on democractic principles in Ukraine was all-out. 

*     Germany. France and Russia wanted to see a ceasefire in the Civil War and the Minsk agreement was signed by them, the then Presiden of  Ukraine ,and the leadership of the Donbas region not occupied by Ukraine.   The agreement was signed and submitted  to the Security Council for Ratification.    After that the deal was supposed to be submitd by the Obama Administration to Congress for acceptance - it was never done.

*       The USA undermined the agreement and use aid grants to kep the Ukraine Government in power.    In the meantime after 2014 a string of US Politiicans got involved in corruption involving  looting of US  Aid funds granted to Ukraine.   Aside from Biden - add in Pelosi, Schiff ad as long  as the aid grants ere in cash the looting went on.\

*       In 2019  Zelenskyy promised that he  would ensure a peace agreement is signed to stop the civil war in Ukraine and that promise lased until Senator Menendes visited Kiev  and the Government became more authoritarian.   The Govenment in Ukaine is now nothing more than a dictatorship 

*       After Biden became President the situation deteriorate badly.    In October 2021 both Putin and Biden was at a conference in Geneva and they met face to face..    After Putin raised the Ukraine issue Biden promised Putin that he would instruct Blinken to arrnage for a furtehr conference to ensuure peaceful settlement of the Ukraine issue.    No further negotiations took place between the UISA and Russia on he issue and i was clear that the USA did not want any peaceful settlement in Ukraine.

You denied all the above and said Putin was not negotiating in good faith .   The other flip side of the coin ss the U SA  wanted no peace deal and wanted war involving Ukraine.

As to another wild statement of yours about the oil issue the Biden Administration effectively stopped further Company investment in drilling  for oil and ain  drilling.   Do you really believe the story about the USA occupying the oil fields area for any other reason than to get the oil from the area going into the USA is false.   So let me explain something  factual to you    ISIS was u,sing the oilfields in Syria to get income from sale of the oil - thus funding  their Caliphate and Trump ordered the troops to occupy the area until ISIS was defeated..    Once that was done Trump ordered the removal of troops from Syria - but the Pentagon refused to carry out the order - so why are they still in Syria?   

I believe that the USA wants the war to continue.    With due regard to your comments about terrorism and guerilla warfare in Eastern ukraine in future - its ot the objective of th e USA tp fund terrorism in future?.       


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Feb 2024, 12:35
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01 Feb 2024, 12:35#7

What a complete rout of the Mozzietard by Mike.

All mozzie can do is deny the truth and bleat on about drivel. The poor blighter has been well and truly BUSTED! 



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Feb 2024, 14:16
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01 Feb 2024, 14:16#8

Oh I’m sure the Pentagon is keeping the troops in Syria because all the generals have bought property in Syria….good spot Clever. It’s incredible what you Apartheid lovers/ANC converts/Putin disciples are willing to believe.

It never occurred to me that South Africans were so naive.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Feb 2024, 14:47
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01 Feb 2024, 14:47#9

Mozart

Coming  from a fascist who believe he is superior and believes the intelligence should rule the world. bring  to mind an old Afrikaans saying  :-   "Jy is niets wat iets geword het"..   That does not mean you would be respected i.n a society where to  help the needy - irrespective of race - was the norm for social standing  in society.    I was not brought up in a familym environment w here self-interest is subject to service to the people I deal with.

But l .can tell you that the  "Oh I’m sure the Pentagon is keeping the troops in Syria because all the generals have bought property in Syria " is top class BS.       In the end the army command fucked up everything  they did in Afghanistan, Iraq and  virtually commit high treason by talking  by the Chairman regularly talking  to the Chinese head of the army.   But it is clear they ignored the order of Trump and never told him about the remaining troops.   So who can tell us what he army command did and why.    One thing is clear to believe anything coming  from he Biden Administration is a lie unless proven otherwise.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Feb 2024, 14:56
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01 Feb 2024, 14:56#10

Seems ou Mozzietard is completely bankrupt in terms of a substantive answer.  His post smacks of desperation.

Come clean Mozzzie admit you are are an elitist fully on board with the Globalist war on humanity.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Feb 2024, 08:25
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02 Feb 2024, 08:25#11

Hope you all vie wed this video. 

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