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Just had a chat to my Nephew from Ess ex

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Mar 2016, 12:46
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28 Mar 2016, 12:46#1
He said a few interesting things about the general feeling among the people he came into contact with in the area where he works - he is a self-employed plumber.  His wife works for the Health Department of Ess ex as a physiotherapist.  
 He lives in an area where the Conservative Party has not lost an election for decades - a regular Tory heartland.  However he said that -
*   virtually everybody thinks a terrorist attack in England will come - the question is not if - but when;
*   he believes that the voters are split down the middle - but it is very likely that the Brexit crowd will win in the referendum.
The English people are sick and tired of the open border idea of the EU and the influx of terrorists among the economic refugees presents serious problems for the EU countries.   Once in - they will get access to England with ease.         

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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
29 Mar 2016, 20:27
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29 Mar 2016, 20:27#2
With the greatest of respects to your nephew Mike, I refute a few of the points you've just made there mate. I have been living in Essex pretty much my whole life, since I was 6, albeit I'm not even a quarter of a century yet. But I can assure you that among my friends there isn't a consistent worrying of a terrorist attack being around the corner. Obviously at some point the chances are there probably will be an attack, but I don't think there is a living in fear. I'd also add that a lot of people my age are quite sensible in their reaction to the recent attacks and as to blame the awful ISIS and not Islam as a whole. I think you're right that the population is quite even either way with referendum, I think EU In will sneak it though. Again I could be wrong, but I have feeling the Out Campaign won't be able to push the current momentum over the line. Very much like when the Scot Independence vote happened, and a lot of polls earlier on had the Out campaign ahead, but when it was crunch time, people didn't have the nerve to actual vote for such drastic change. There's pros and cons both sides to that one though, so I'm undecided as of yet. 'The English people are sick and tired...' again, I wouldn't generalize the whole population much, it's just that the discontented people are more likely to make a noise than the people who don't have much of a problem. 99% of Refugees aren't coming to cause terror, in fact the very reason they've come in the first place is too flea terror. One of the saddest images I've seen either yesterday or the day before, was a young refugee lad holding a 'sorry' sign up because he feels that they've got to apologize for a few ****** idiots in recent attacks.. Maybe I can only speak for people who are 18-25, being as these are who I most socialize with, but I thought I'd play devil's advocate and give my two cents anyway
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Mar 2016, 00:36
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30 Mar 2016, 00:36#3
APD I think that it may be an issue with some people and not with others - but the latest opinion polls indicate that there is divided opinion - but 16% of the voters indicated that they would follow Boris Johnson on the issue - that was before he came public and said he was not in favour of remaining in the EU, I think that it will be close - but I gave a feeling that the EU issue is getting on the nerves of people and they may just vote to get out or stay away from voting. That is what happened in the EU parliamentary elections and the results were that UKIP got more votes than the other recognized parties did. If the Conservative Party was not divided on the issue it may have been a shoo-in to stay in Europe - it would have been a win for Cameron, but they are not and that is going to cost the party dearly from an organisational perspective. This brings me back to Boris - as I understand it he is popular in London where UKIP has no support - so the vote would have gone to the Yes side, but the situation is different now, I do not think that the media is going to have their normal liberal influence here - the working class feels cut out and the result is a moving to the right - like happened in the USA. Some Labour seats are under threat and their local MP's are also in the NO campaign. This is not an issue that would have the same implications as the Scottish referendum - where the pensioners and older people became scared of the effect it may have on their pensions. Leaving the EU has no similar impact. Fact is the EU has become a problem for many voters and that issue is widespread and going to cause the downfall of Merkel herself in Germany and Hollande in France. I think that the outcome is unsure and Cameron must start praying there is no terrorist incident in Britain itself. The one incident in Brussels virtually under the EU complex is bad enough and is worse because some UK citizens were among the dead and the injured. A local one will cause havoc. By the way I think Boris is playing the big Conservative Party Leadership stakes and if Cameron is out because of referendum loss - he will take over the leadership of the party.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Mar 2016, 20:33
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31 Mar 2016, 20:33#4
 Ag pleez diddy you really have no idea at what youare confronted with. Tallk about head in the sand.Amazing how somebody can be as ignorant. If most british are thsi foolish i would advise them to pracitse waiving their bums in the air as its their future and trying out the burka.The mind boggles at the rank foolishness.
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
02 Apr 2016, 17:59
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02 Apr 2016, 17:59#5
Believe what you want and good luck to you, but it must be a shit life to live if you're filled with so much hate and intolerence. 

I don't blame all Christians for the actions of the KKK and IRA. I don't blame all Hindus for actions Indira Ghandi. And so on and so forth. I don't blame all atheists for the stuff Stalin, Lenin and Hitler did. 

Don't get me wrong there's things I disagree with in all religions, I don't think that Islam's treatment of Women is acceptable at all. But that does in no way mean that all muslims should be judged because of the actions

I don't know how many Muslims you've encountered in your life, but the majority are sound. 

The audacity of you to call someone else ignorant, it's mad, it's like the phrase 'pot. kettle. black' was written for you
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
03 Apr 2016, 03:37
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03 Apr 2016, 03:37#6
 "The audacity of you to call someone else ignorant, it's mad, it's like the phrase 'pot. kettle. black' was written for you."
Spot-on 'Daddy. The first noticeable thing about Jihadi Beeno is that he is a lunatic....we're not the only and first one's to pick out the signs. Second  noticeable thing about Jihadi Beeno is that you are fine as long as you agree with him. The third is the insults and childish name calling from the self proclaimed Christian when you disagree with him. The fourth is his signature Bwhaahahaha which further underscores his lunacy.
Someone once said you have to be a lunatic to debate a lunatic....No thanks, I value my sanity.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Apr 2016, 14:16
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03 Apr 2016, 14:16#7
 Look - I have said repeatedly that I have very good Muslim friends and they are certainly not jihadists.  I have dealt with Muslims for years and like in any society there are good people and there are bad people among them.  I for oe do not think that Muslims are all Jihadists like Beeno implied.
I have tried to correct that image by Beeno numerous times and he seems to miss out on elements of it - because he does not want to realize that some criminals and unemployed in for instance Belgium was recruited by ISIS to join them and participate in suicide attacks.  There is an element of social dep revation at play in those cases.
My viewpoint was just what I said above.  I spoke to my nephew who is a citizen of the UK and both him and his wife who are in contact with many people and with close church ties and they seem to think there is widespread dislike of the EU in England.  One element is the migration issue - but England is more affected by immigration from central Europe than from the Middle East.
I am not saying that the UK would vote to exit the EU - but to my mind it would be close and Cameron must pray there are no terrorist attack in Britain before the referendum.   If there is - the Brexit lot would win.  
    
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
03 Apr 2016, 21:10
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03 Apr 2016, 21:10#8
 Well said Denny! 

And i wasn't having a go at you mike, don't think there's anything wrong with what you said, i was having a go at Beeno who seems unable to construct an argument without resorting to name-calling and angry outbursts
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Apr 2016, 21:57
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03 Apr 2016, 21:57#9
 Ou maaaikie and cohorts like dense denise, pease wake up. If these muslims you think you know (Given the koran says they cant be friends with infidels and says they can lie to infidels) dont do jihad they are not good muslims as the koran lays an injunction on them to do jihad.muslims will have no problem in taking in such simpletons!! Man how dumb do you get.Thankfully the push back is gathering momentum fairly rapidly in the EU.
I see Brexit is 4% ahead in the altest polls with exit types more likely also to tke the trouble to vote.Certainly if there are morte bombings etc in the EU expect the current governments to get tossed out and its good riddance to bad rubbish.Lets hope the Brits have more guts than the supine ag pleez diddy!! Pathetic response from him really pathetic. Fancy being such a wimpie you would tolerate your family being brought under sharia law!! 







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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
03 Apr 2016, 22:13
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03 Apr 2016, 22:13#10
It's funny Beeno, calling me a wimp when you're the one who's going through the internet like some white knight keyboard warrior. 

But hey, go ahead, clearly it makes you feel better to form false opinions about a whole group of people. 
Don't go around proclaming you're a christian though because you're nothing like a christian should be, a religion built on tolerance. 
Muslim don't take the whole of the qu'ran at face value that would ridiculous. Just like Christians don't the whole of the bible at face value, which would be equally ridiculous.

If you did Beeno, then you would be allowed to wear clothes with two different fabrics, or food containing any fat or blood, or eat any seafood or making sure you wife stays quite in church, etc, etc. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Apr 2016, 22:41
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03 Apr 2016, 22:41#11
 apd go and read my post about 25 jihadist located inb Brighton.Muslims dont take the koran at face value. Bwahahahhahahahahahahahahaha I mean how crazy is that!!!! The makority take it very seriously. This is proven by polls taken in various muslims countries testing their opinions on various isses. Their opinions line up with the korans teaching in the vast majpority of vades.Yes they soft soap dupes like you - which is cealrly an easy task.
Christians who are indeed Christains also take the bible seriously. The only thing I will grant you there can be muslims youare muslims in name only and dittoe Christaisn in name only who dont take the koran or BIBLE seriously.
I have come accross some clueless views but these are pearlers. Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Time will of course teach ou apd some incredibly hard lessons. 
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
03 Apr 2016, 23:08
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03 Apr 2016, 23:08#12
Beeno, do you know notice that you become less comprehensible the more worked up you get? 

Do you do these things - 'wear clothes with two different fabrics, or food containing any fat or blood, or eat any seafood or making sure you wife stays quite in church, etc, etc.' - if not then by your very definition, you're only a christian in name. 

There's 1.6 billion muslims in the world, if all muslims really were intent on killing everyone, we'd all be dead.
There's some awful people in the world who are intent on killing innocent people, and have decided to use a religious guise to do it behind. 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
04 Apr 2016, 01:21
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04 Apr 2016, 01:21#13
 "Daddy, you are trying to debate a lunatic....you are wasting your time.
No sane person will achieve any success no matter how sincere the effort. As predicted Jihadi Beeno has kicked in with his signature Bwhahahahaha .....a lunatic sign-off. You and me have more Christianity in our small finger than he has in all of his being.
He shames Christianity.
Laugh at him and treat him with the utmost contempt.
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