Land of my fathers.....and a few immigrants

There was NO MISTAKE Made. 

Two key globalist policies they use to destroy nation states are open borders and multiculturalism.

Note many wealthy Muslim states didn't take in these invaders. They are not refugees as they are nearly all young males. 

They had boats scouring the Mediterranean to pick up as many of the invaders as possible. 

Why do you think the UN tried to foist the Migration pact on the world. 

They have a globalist open borders agenda aimed at Europe and the USA.

HENCE in the USA they have not passed immigration reform dispite lying to the American people again and again. 

The Globalist Uniparty has to be defeated otherwise America will be destroyed. Ditto the Globalists who rule the EU. 

Another thing. The accumulation of 22 trillion in debt by the USA is another deliberate effort to bring down the USA. As was the refusal to use US energy. At every turn you country has been sabotaged and the globalist demonrats intend to finish the job and help the EU destroy the nation states of Europe. 

It's as plain as daylight. 

Trudeau of course is another Globalist and has opened Canada's borders.

Hence Trump and others now saying we are a sovereign nation state with BORDERS. Further we put our own people FIRST. We don't ship our jobs overseas as well as giving away our intellectual property. 

We don't allow others to place tariffs on our products with no response. 

Mozart

I can remember a conversation I had in 2003 with a French friend of mine about the Iraq War,   What he said was that the US does not  understand dealing with the Arabs.    The  French from the time of Charles Martel and Charlemagne had more than a thousand years of dealing with the Muslims and through  those bitter experiences has learnt what to do and not to do insofar as the Muslim  world is concerned,  

He expressed the opinion that the US would end up badly in dealing with them.  The lesson was clearly not learnt in 2003 and the subsequent catastrophes in the Arab Spring.    Interference by the West in  Syria, Libya and Yemen remains a disaster,   

All the nice-sounding words about human rights and freedom do not tie in with the Arabic countries and people.   Their culture and religious beliefs do not recognize  things like democracy - they still  favour the government by the strongest over the weakest and the destruction of the systems in those countries where the west directly or indirectly intervened was bound to fail.

Looking at what happened  in those countries and in particular on Syria also had an impact on Russia.    The  Russian history had been influenced by their contact and experiences with the Arabs and the Muslims for near to a thousand years,   It started with the Golden Horde and  later on the Turkish empire as far back as the 1200's.,    Two hundred years of battles made the then Grand Prince of Moscow the leader of Russian resistance against Muslim attacks and occupation  of major parts of what today is Russia.   It was only in 1576  with the successful occupation of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible and the closure of the biggest slave market in Europe that the threats really diminished.    However, there were negatives in conquests like for instance the Russian occupation of Siberia of the 1470's that still has an impact on modern circumstances in Russia.   In the late 1700's there was constant  wars between the  Turks and the Russians under Catherine the Great with the Sultan of the Crimea being an ally of the Turks.   It led to the occupation of Crimea by the Russians and  unlike other Muslim areas in the Tzarist Russia it led to resettlement of Russians  becoming the largest segment of the Crimean population being ethnic Russians.

So what relevance does that  have on the situation of Russia over the past 50 years.   The Afghan situation and the situation  in the Muslim Republics forming part if the USSR resulted in the invasion of Afghanistan by the Russians with disastrous consequences for them.   The one objective they tried to achieve - namely stabilizing of the situation in the Muslim republics was never achieved - but in fact got worse.    The USA thought  that by arming the Afghans that they helped the people to drive out the Russians, but what did they achieve - the 9/11 attacks on New York was just one example.  The USA then interfered in Afghanistan and where did it lead to - one disaster after another disaster.   

In Russia the result  was typified by the Chechen War leading to terrorist attacks all over Russia.   When that war fizzled out the Chechen radicals went all over the world  - also to Boston = remember that one?  The tragedy was that the Russians warned  the USA that there are problems coming their way and the wiser Americans ignored the warnings.    The main branch  of the Chechen radicals went to Syria and Iraq and they became the leading fighters of ISIS,   

Even though the Russians supported the Syrian Regime before the ISIS problems developed - they learnt from the  centuries long history and factually kept out of the actual fighting in Syria until the ISIS problems and its Chechen core caused them to intervene,   For the rest the Russians learnt one thing  stay out  of things like the Arab Spring and keep the Muslim radicals  out of your own country - it can have mortal consequences for your own country.   

You will never see  Russia allowing entry to Muslim migrants and the present reaction against migrants in the EU countries showed that the leaders have ignored the lessons of the past - the ordinary people have not.   Maybe Trump got the message - but the opposition by the politically correct against him  is taking on major proportions.   It is likely that in the end the ordinary Europeans will turn to Russia to save then from their own leaders.   Is that the reason for the EU army?               .                                       .            

Moz, Trump was forced to accept deficit increasing budgets to get funds for military. 

You globalist head of the Fed Powell tried to sink the stock exchange till stopped by Trump. Powell nevertheless increased the payments on the deficit by was it 500 billion a year. 

Human traffickers USE children to get into the USA.

Only extreme globalist brainwashing from school to college and via the globalist MSM can explain the stupendous stupidity of people still voting demonrat or Rino.

God help America there are powerful forces at work trying to destroy the country at every level. 

Mike please!!! Hussein Oboza is a Muslim whom the Globalist elites placed in the WH. Go and Google Obozo in Muslim attire. Think also of Obozo giving 150 billion to Iran and setting them on a path to nuclear weapons. Or think of him appointing Muslim Brennan as CIA director. Or how about his seeding Muslims all over America by the dead of night so the Texas governor said they didn't even know these Muslims had arrived in the state.

Or how about Globalist Crooked Hillary saying she intended increasing Muslim immigration by 550%on Obozos already high level.

Or how about the EU globalists opening the doors to Muslim invasion. Also very telling the way the globalists will not tolerate and criticism of Muslims. 

The notion that this opening the borders to Muslim invasion is a mistake is ludicrous in the extreme. The Globalists will use Islam amongst other means to destroy European nation states and the USA. 

The idea the people doing all this are stupid must also be dismissed as absurd. These are the very wralthing elites of the world and their hand picked cohorts.

Remember also Mike Russia is NOT ruled by globalists hence all the anti Russian propaganda. No nation governed in the interests would open its borders to Muslim and other invaders. Those globalist elites who want open borders know exactly what they want to achieve. NO MISTAKES ARE BEING MADE ONLY THE IMPLENTATION OF POLICIES DESIGNED TO DESTROY WESTERN EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION.

Fortunately a huge fightback is underway but the outcome undetermined although currently it appears to nationalists are winning. 

I am not on any campaign - I am merely stating that history repeats itself and that it is dangerous to ignore  history,

Fact is that if you ask the moneyed elite that support the globalist idea whether they want to destroy the European culture they would deny it vehemently.  Some of them like Blair and Merkel even claimed they are committed Christians - but they are in the game only to further enrich themselves and use the global idea to assist them in that,  They have no idea what dangers lurk around the corner in what they are allowed to happen.

They used all the propaganda available to them to do damage to their nations.   All their stories normally relates to protection of the rights and freedom of people - but they are mnot even remotely interested in those sentiments.   Too often they are not prepared to protect their own people - but more interested in getting cheap labour.

Even those migrants already for years in Europe realize that and they are in the forefront of for instance the Yellow Vests protests in France.   

However, I think that the same applies in the USA and in the future politics of the RP - while the DP are hitting a dead horse.  I cannot see how any of the DP candidates would defeat Trump - there may even be a Liberal candidate that would be bad for thee DP.   I also think that the House will swing back to RP control in 2020.   There are also at least 2 DP Senators that would be in deep trouble in that elections.  There may be even more if the present economic indicators are to be continued into 2020.

On the whole I think that there may be some senior politicians - Hill ary Clinton included - that could have serious legal problems in future.  That Steele report may have unforeseen problems for the DP and their assistants in the FBI.   The longer the DP linked media continues with their nonsense the worst it would be for the DP. 

Mike agree with a lot of what you say but not this:

They have no idea what dangers lurk around the corner in what they are allowed to happen.

You cant be serious. Blair and Merkel are very intelligent people!!! Do you honestly think they have no idea about islam!!! Of course not. Yet Merkel deliberately invited them in.

They are of course no more Christian than the wolf in sheep's clothing Pope or the emerging whore church.

Anyhow lets see what happens on April the 11.My heart goes out to the British people being sold out by what Farage calls the political establishment but who many call traitors. The battle though is far from over.

No Beeno

They have no idea that all their sweet talk will not help when trouble breaks out.   They are all thinking that sweet talk would protect them and their interests,   It won't and that is where the trouble is.  Would hate to see there faces before beheading, 

Mike...this is the way she sees it...ie her answer

"Yes, this is right, in general.

However, this opinion is slightly influenced by the Anglo-Saxon supremacy (not in the ugly way), but you might say, that I am also a bit biased.  The truth is always in between. 

Certainly, Russians shouldn't probably interact with Arabic and Muslim world, but is geographically impossible. Russian invasion in Siberia was inevitable, as this was the neighbouring waste land with all resources and sparsely populated. And it happened during the era, when Europe occupied their colonies, traveling far away across oceans. "Invasion" of Siberia by Russia was only natural and benefited to both Russians and native Siberian people, they have not been wiped from the Earth like Red Indians or Australian aborigines. On the contrary, those nations received all support from the government from the start and it in ongoing. Besides, there were not Muslims or Arabs there, but mainly native people it’s completely different story. I do not want to go down such long road as Golden Horde. That was, by the way, one if examples when Russia shielded Western Europe from being taken over by savages. 

The "Arab Spring” concept is totally destructive for the Muslim world, as those people certainly will never accept this western ideas EVER.  Chechnya is a republic inside the body of Russia, where Muslims live traditionally (there are several Muslim republics in the Caucus region, they are not the only one).  Chechen war was inspired from outside,  the terrorists from Chechnya were trained in Turkey,  Saudi Arabia and in various other countries, mercenaries from about 50 countries were fighting on their side against Russian government forces. The purpose was simple - to destabilize and destroy Russia from inside.  Russian government was criticized and punished by the West at that stage. The result was 9/11 US received.  And ongoing Muslim terrorism through all over the World.

Afghanistan invasion by Russia was a fatal mistake (our history dealing with Iran in 19 century should be learned from), but it was in the brink of collapse of USSA and during the era of severe confrontation with USA. It was the question who first will invade Afghanistan - USSA or USA.  Soviet Union would not allow this to happen... I wish it would rather be USA mistake, not ours ... Well, as you can see now they faring nowhere in Afghanistan, as well. Neither Russia, nor West learning from our past mistakes in dealing with Arabs and Muslims. The difference is, that Russia has been trying to thread carefully, having multiple Muslim communities living traditionally in the country and respecting their cultural differences to the contrary to Americans in particularly, who remind me a bull in a China store. Syria INVITED Russia to intervene, most notorious terrorists are still there, same ones, who are still wanted for war crime in Chechnya. The most shocking was the fact, that the British, who have vast experience in dealing with Muslim and Arab countries were driven into this mess. Is is pure and blatant suicide.

Unfortunately,  after the collapse of Soviet Union national conflicts were stirred up, many Russians had to flee for lifes frim ex Asian republics. But after Asian republics obtained their independence,  millions of their citizens started their invasion of so much hated Russia, as they suddenly found themselves poverty stricken and seeking employment in Russia. So sad, but it was Russia feeding them at her own expense in the past of USSA, bleeding their poverty stricken people. Having saying that, we have already been invaded by them, their mass Exodus from their own Muslim "paradise" - now independent countries started at about 2001, long before West has been invaded by them. But our Russian outcry has been ignored and not heared. Usual approach, for the West Russians lives don't matter. As well, they ruthlessly imposing new sanctions for whatever imaginable, which severely affecting simple citizens, not Russian elite.

A wish Western countries would come to their terms and stop interfering with other cultures, rather let them sort out themselves.  If they on the stage to have their dictators, let them be, it is their stage of development, their unique learning curb.

And about Russia”saving the West". Again? So many times in the long past Russia been saving itself and the West at Russian nations experience without slightest gratitude.  I am afraid, our government will still make attempts to save the West, but does it really want to be saved? It looks like the West enjoying its own extreme liberal insanity. One cannot be saved from himself.

I only hope, that agreement will be made."

Seb

Your wife have corrected some of what I wrote and is thankful for that.   Coming from a Russian it is very insightful with an angle people from outside Russia are unaware of - like the situation which developed after dissolution of the USSR.   

I am not sure about the issue developing in the EU countries,   I see that in the Ukraine a new person is in the lead and he is a person without any real political background and  intends to enter in negotiation with Russia to settle the Ukrainian issue peacefully.   I think it would be better to draw a border in areas where the majority of the population is Russians to fall within Russia and move away from the artificial border Stalin drew, 

There is to my mind an increasing affinity between the EU sceptics and moving towards a friendlier approach towards Russia.   They are against an EU army as it could ultimately caused attacks on Russia,   The last sentence about Russia protecting people in EU countries was actually tongue in cheek.

Please thank your wife for very insightful comments.           

"  I think it would be better to draw a border in areas where the majority of the population is Russians to fall within Russia and move away from the artificial border Stalin drew, "

It was Lenin not Stalin, Mike...

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Why did the Bolsheviks give Ukraine Donbass and Odessa

Territorial disputes about the belonging of one or another district to the Ukrainian USSR or RSFSR were conducted between the Soviet republics until 1928. Nobody wanted to concede important in socio-economic terms.

The October Revolution did not resonate there.

The Ukrainian Central Rada, which met after the February Revolution in the early spring of 1917, decided that Ukraine should be autonomous in the new political conditions, but as part of Russia. The policy pursued by the Provisional Government, united by the Ukrainian revolutionary movement was supported. After the Bolsheviks overthrew the Kerensky government in October, this event did not find a wide response in Ukraine, where Lenin’s party did not enjoy the support of a political majority. However, in the Donbass the Bolsheviks managed to take power into their own hands. In December 1917, the SNK of the RSFSR sent an appeal to the Central Rada, which reported on the recognition of the SNK (Soviet of People’s Commissars) of the People’s Ukrainian Republic, to the Ukrainians made it clear that Russia would consider all options for federal and other coexistence with the NUR, as long as they decided on their political preferences favor of the Bolsheviks. Since the end of December, after the First All-Ukrainian Congress of Soviets, which proclaimed the creation of the Ukrainian USSR, two states coexisted in Ukraine - controlled by the Central Rada and the Bolshevik. In January of the following year, the Bolsheviks beat out whites from Kiev and a number of other large Ukrainian cities. However, in March they had to sign a separate Brest-Litovsk peace treaty with the Germans and transfer Ukraine to the jurisdiction of Germany and Austria-Hungary. Until 1920, the Soviet government did not extend to the entire territory of this state, divided into self-proclaimed republics, of which there were more than fifteen.

Rebellious Donbass

In January 1918, the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic was formed. Donbass has always had great industrial and economic importance for Russia. The newly created republic announced its disobedience to the Central Rada. A month later, the Donetsk Republic was proclaimed in Kharkov, and the Bolshevik F. Sergeev became the chairman of the Council of People’s Commissars. As reported to Lenin, the republic is now part of the RSFSR.

Ukraine after liberation from Germans and White Army

By the end of spring, the invaders occupied the entire territory of Ukraine. They chose Hetman P. Skoropadsky, who reigned for only a few months, then he was replaced by S. Petliura. By the autumn of 1918, the Red Army intensified offensive operations in the east of Ukraine, and I. Stalin was elected chairman of the Ukrainian Revolutionary Military Council. "Donkrivbass" (in Leninist, "Krivdonbass") Stalin, on Lenin's direct instructions as a territorial-political autonomy, was to be liquidated, annexing the Donetsk Republic to Ukraine "for the purposes of internationalism." Since 1919, the process of territorial formation of the Ukrainian SSR entered the active phase. The composition of the Soviet republic at that time included 9 provinces. By the beginning of 1920, the Red Army occupied the eastern, central and right-bank parts of Ukraine, and by December almost the entire republic had been cleared of whites and interventionists. According to the tripartite agreement signed by the Ukrainian SSR, the RSFSR and Poland, Western Ukraine was ceded to the Poles.

In the USSR

At the end of 1922, the Ukrainian SSR, together with the Trans-Caucasus, Belarusian Republics and the RSFSR, merged with a new political entity — the USSR. The Donbass and Novorossia, under a union agreement, departed to Ukraine. Violent disputes were fought over the territorial subordination of the Taganrog and Shakhty districts, which were of great industrial value. In the end, after complex and lengthy negotiations in October 1924, the transfer of Shakhtynsky, Sulinovsky, Vladimirsky, Ust-Belokalitvensky, Leninsky, Glubokinsky, Fedorovsky, Kamensky, Nikolaevsky, Matveyevo-Kurgansky and Sovietinsky districts to Russia took place. Taganrog, with parts of 4 more districts, also became Russian. [?-BLOCK] At the same time, according to the territorial claims of the Ukrainian SSR, several territories of the Central Black Earth region of Russia withdrew to Ukraine — partly “for ethnographic reasons” (for the predominance of the Ukrainian population). In January 1925, the decision of the special commission of the USSR Central Election Commission, chaired by M. Kalinin, finally resolved the issue of new borders between Ukraine and Russia - the southern parts of Grayvoronsky district and Murom volost, part of Putivl and Kursk counties, Troitskaya volost of Valuisky district, Voronezh province, part of Urazsky volost, were transferred to Ukraine. , more than a dozen villages of the Bryansk province and the Semenovsky volost of the Gomel province. In turn, Russia withdrew part of the Ukrainian Donetsk province. The territorial disputes between the Ukrainian SSR and the RSFSR with the transfer of a number of villages in the Bryansk and Kursk provinces continued until 1928, when this issue was already finally resolved.

Thank you. She loves to share her culture and history. We are completely wrong about Russians. Damn fine people. Yes, they like us all have they there bumps but the distortions in the west are so far off the truth, it's embarrassing. There's a bigger power at work in the world...Beeno blames the Globalists...he is not so far wrong. Most of our world leaders are puppets and have hidden agendas.

My wife criticises Putin but these issues are internal, on the otherhand she is proud that her leader is not a wimp and stands tall amongst the rest. But her complaints against him are personal.

Elena is very intelligent, patriotic but very balanced. She is university educated...was in Space Research but sadly cannot find work in SA.Her father was a military man. Her grandfather was a survivor of the Battle of Stalingrad who was one of the last to pass away a few years back. Her ex-boyfriend played rugby for the military...army. Amazing people. She's a gem and I'm very blessed.

ATT MIKE;

PS If you are genuinely interested and those who love history, there is a great book called "The White Guard" by Mikhail Bulgakov. You can find int online and download it.

Seb

Not totally sure about the situation.    It was in fact Lenin that drew the Border of most of Ukraine by 1921 - but Crimea remained outside the Ukrainian RSSU until 1953 when it wa sincluded into the Ukraine Republic.   So I was wrong about Stalin being responsible.  Thanks for the correction anyway.  /  

Donbass is NOT in Crimea Mike...it's a region in the north of and in Ukraine...see map.

Crimea was never part of Ukraine...it was "lent" illegally by Kruschev on the whim of an anecdote...in order gain popularity after Stalin in USSR for votes. It was always Russian...remember it was the USSR which included Ukraine. When the USSR was disbanded it reverted back to Russian Federation technically but was by-passed by drunken Yeltsin . It never belonged to Ukraine legally...Kruschev had no right to do this in the first place...it was done illegally as the USSR was one.The controversy was USA interference who manipulated who plotted to deny Russia of a warm water naval base.

The feelings run very high on this because it was manipulation...something I cannot discuss with my wife.

I think she is correct technically and certainly legally...Crimea is dominated with Russians and even the "Ukrainians" there identify predominately with Russia. Too many lies have been told by world politicians.

Kruschev was actually born in Ukraine and was the Communist Party Secretary there before World War II - so he may have been sympathetic to Ukraine and  simultaneously bought their votes before he was selected as CP General Secretary after the  death of Stalin.  Thanks for the correction anyway.

As far as I could understand it Brezneth was also a Ukrainian by birth and probably complicit in what Kruschev did.

No Mike...Khrushchev was born on 15 April 1894, in Kalinovka a village in what is now Russia's Kursk Oblast.

He was married 3 times and his last wife was born in Ukraine...she was a peasant woman.We don't really know if it was her influence that Crimea was illegally "lent" but some say so. Anyway the point is that Crimea was always Russian...going back long before the USSR. Russia's m ain naval bases are in Murmansk in Baltic (Cold Water..sometimes iced up), St Petersburg (Used to ice up but rarely today), Sevastopol Crimea (Warm Water)Vladivostok in Far East (vast distance away). For strategic/naval purposes it is imperative that Russia has warm water base/s for their vast navy.

This is the reason why the western powers tried to handicap Russia's military power.

Seb

Thank you for that one.   Again I was wrong - but I agree  with you that what happened iro Crimea is rubbish and that it was for centuries a Russian territory and the fact is that it should enver have been  "lent"  to  Ukraine.

There is another discussion on Ulraine and Russia under the Warthog story in the Rugby component.   

Can you look specifically to what Mozart wrote and my response - as well as the issues raised by me on that score,  Like to hear your comments on that as well.