Map posted on X by Mongolia's ex president.

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/mongolias-former-president-mocks-putin-with-a-map-showing-how-big-the-mongol-empire-used-to-be-and-how-small-russia-was/articleshow/107634467.cms

The map is somewhat strange and not according to historic fact.    The area on the Baltic sea was under Polish and Swedish control and so was Finland - the major part being the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth that afterwards took over control of Kiev and repopulate th e area with Polish people.    By then the Crimea was under a Sultinate that effectively rules the Donbas area - and was a subsidiary of the Ottoman Empire that conquered Constantinople - now Istanbul.                

   The area tht is given a the Mongolian empire did not include the arctic circle area of European Russia.   Prior to 1340 there was a large number of independent Russian principalities that paid a tribute to the Mongolian king to keep him from attacking  them  - though technically they were independent politically,   One of the smallest ones were the Principality of Muscovy at about 600m2.    However, in 1340 the Mongol king was Timberlane and he used Turks from Turkmenistan for attacking what was the principality of Kiev and destroyed the city totally taking all the population into slavery - that caused the main Church in  Russia - the Orthodox Church - to move from Kiev to Moscow where the Mongol threat was less..   .

There was a number of States that was threatened by the Mongol kingdom and they contribute  soldiers and  the Russian Grand Prince which in 1372 was Dimitri Donksoy - since he wa the first Grand Prince that defeated the Mongol army on the Don.    From then onwards the principality expanded by marriage contract to become what was then the major principality of  Russia,    By 1470  the principality of Moscow covered most of what was northern ussia and the Mongol Empire disintegrated and a number of indedenent Khanate's took over the areas ruled by the various Muslim Khan's    In the case of the Khans reigning in the southern and eastern part of what today is European Russia they were largely controlled by what was then the Grand Prince of Moscow.    The Tartar population became integrated into Russia and during the reign of Ivan he terrible - the Khanate of Siber and became part of Russia and the Asian part of  Russia got established.    The Khanate of Crimea ruled the Donbas area and the Crimea itself until 1776 when the area was conquired and the Khnate of Crimea and he Donbas area cam0e under Russian control.   The other area that became part of the Russian Empire was Alaska - which was sol to the USA by Alexander II in 1869.

The Northern Part  in the Arctic Circle area of what is today Russia was never part of any empire - until the Russians claimed it as part of the 1470 .

China was conquered as well by the Mongols under Hhengis Khan - but that was temporary and China became independent.   By 1368 the Ming  dynasty ruled in China and it was not part  of the Mongol empire anymore.      

ouMaaik rewrites history............... part 1

I see the Chinese did something similar recently showing a map with an enlarged China controlling territory that is currently Russian.

Interesting.......perhaps it's another Taiwan.

He does well to mock Putin’s unique view of lebensraum. These nutters who believe their people have a unique destiny have caused enough trouble in the world… .they have no place in the 21st century.

The map was wrong  and I pointed it out clearly - but then that brainwashed idiot would come up with  brainwashed idiocy as expected.

I want to ask him something though - after the USA took over the Ukraine and appointed a puppet Government _ why does the  USA not want Ukraine to have a Constitution?    Is it because they regard Ukraine as conquered territory and if so - why don't they just incorporate Ukraine as the 51st  State of the USA?   Most countries know what is happening and it is scaring the shit out of them - that so why they are standing  in a que to get entry into BRICS . 

You know why the Iran Government regards the situation as one where they shot on the USA and can expect no response - because BRICS  membership protect them from craziness the present BS Biden Administration in the USA may come up with.     Happy War Day to you =- the more wars the more corrupt the situation becomes.

SB

I follow recorded history not the propaganda  BS you believe sis true.       .           

I loit scqares the shit out of them.oked at recorded history nothing else.    

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Clapper Mike could be any of the 3 idiots, the Nazi Putinist, or the Conspiracy theorist.

HasBeen-ou  could be any of the 3 idiots, the anti Vaxer, and the Maga man and the Conspiracy  theorist

Chabal again, any of the 3 idiots, the Communist or Nazi Putinist.

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It is the weirdest collection of nutters

Mo/zart

I was just countering the BS you came up with as conspiracy theories.   I was borne in 1942  and was not even aware of WW2 other than it impoverished the farmers in SA  af ter the war to help England in overcoming the effects of the  war.   A  g rant of 80 million pounds delivered in gold and wool was the top element.   The  Government bough t up the wool at 9 pennies a pound and it killed many farmers.

The rest of the accusations are total BS and it is clear that anybody opposing your craziness..   Forf that purpose you use lies that you cannot prove.    But in your life it seems lies are the norm - scumbag.             

Bump

I picture Mike, Beennuts and Chabal scaling the walls of Capitol Hill on J6 donned with MAGA hats and a bible in their back pockets. 

SubstantialBull would be celebrating with a bottle of Vodka.

Mike would be screaming "Where's Pence"

Beennuts would be barking "Kill Pence"

 Stick to facts and  you will not come up with  the propaganda BS  you support.   There was an agreement reached in 1991 that amongst others Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO.

After several  unsuccessful efforts - the USA organized and funded a coup in Ukraine - they discarded the Ukraine Constitution  and Nuland bragged about who she recommended for appointment as Cabinet Ministers in Ukraine.    There is no independent Government in Kiev - FACT.    Since the 2014 coup the Govenment deteriorated n to a dictatorship kept in power by US A  providing the full operational budget of Ukraine and kept their proxies in Ukraine happy - the grant funding is not audited and nobody knows how much of the money are feeding  corruption  n Ukraine and Washington.     

Another betrayal of everybody in the world is the lovely bio-labs that were operating  in Ukraine and the fact is that the USA  lied about it until Nuland admitted in a Senate Hearing they exist.   What was worse was that the USA  Government funded the construction of a new bio-lab facility in Odessa and moved the research they funded from Wuhan to Odessa.    The covid pandemic started in the bio-lab in Wuhan - why the hell is the  USA  involved in esearch the rest of the civilized world banned.

Documentation proved that what comes out of Washington are based on distortion and lies - not a single thing have changed since the Iraq war was started based on lies about Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction - the same lies and distortion sre coming out of Washington about Ukraine coming out of Washington would  have the same consequences,.    You have yet to produce a single document proving that what you writeis true. S o y ou reman  a ly ng scumbag on that one as well.   

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It must be true ................ I heard it on RTnews

It must be true - I got most of the sumnmaries on historical fact from Wikipedia - hardly a Russian info propaganda issue.   After looking at their summaries I checked up other sources and use that to get to real truth - never RT news.   

Well when the dust eventually does settle us folks who do not have Chinese heritage are all going to be suffering.

Based on the map illustrating Taiwan 2.

Watch out and be carefull what you wish for..........

' It must be true ................ I heard it on RTnews from Mike.

Denny

By the way that guy that carried the hangman noose was never arrested  ot charge with anything>  Why should that be?   Easy he was a plant of the FBI who was encouraging the entry into the  Capitol.

The latest  security videos showed that it was a farce and there was nothing  happening .- they aldo lied about the killed police story - they never provided the  names of the killed police officers as well.  The only name they provided was an officer who died three days later of natura courses - a hear attack.   \

The farce is embarrassing - the main inciter was a FBI officer from Arizona - who entered the C Capitol himself.    .When the House investigation about the incident took place Wray lied that the matter was still under investigation.  The Republicans  then said they will take action to ensure  that he is charged - the Justice Department laid a charge of misdemeanour against him and he got off with a warning - he was never arrested and kept in jail.   There are still about 400 prisoners in jail who 3 years later have not been charged with anything .   They are being intimidated to plead guilty to make-up charges  and if they do the court case never go further and they are sentenced based on the guilty plea.   Most are sentenced for a day or week or even month furher imprisonment so as to cover the period they were held in jail without charges.

The fact is what the Demcorts do is breaching the U S Constittion - end of story.    .