Mass shooting at Moscow concert hall

4 masked men, not clear what the motives were. (e.g. Ukranians, Russians, planned or not, red flag, Joe Biden etc)

Some reports coming out that Islamic State are claiming responsibility.

I thought Putin was in good favour with the Islamic State- although they are crazy so who knows?

Apparently the Russian's stopped another attack by them earlier in the month.

ISIS claims responsibility …40 killed. This awful stuff again.

And then people called Orban a racist

I thought they called him a racist when he said he racist stuff?

If Putin had not declared war on Ukraine, the world could have joined Russia in a task force to find ISIS and destroy them.

World is a little more complicated than that. Be a bit awkward to ally up with Russia in such an endeavor when it was propping up the Assad regime in Syria.

Well noted Plum.

The fact though is that the Globalists want to destroy Western civilization. If you cant change the deep rooted values of the people you replace them. Hence the Globalists open border policies in place in N America and Europe.

Importing tens of millions muslims into Europe with their ideas of conquest and shariah law is a perfect way to destabilize the West. A perfect way to cause chaos and growing social unrest and even civil war..

The Globalist rulers in Europe and N America do NOT serve the people. The Irish referendums illustrated that! The People of no country ever voted for open borders and its extremely unpopular. The Globalist elites want a borderless world and don't give a damn what the people want.

As for Russia they were in past years hopeful of being part of the West. However they did not bend the knee to the Globalists In fact they booted the Rothchilds and Soros out of Russia.

Russia against the advice of Trump was driven into the arms of China

Generally speaking Muslims have been peaceful in Russia and Russia has had good relations with muslim countries, but this event, involving muslims, could have been arranged by the CIA etc

You will note that 100,00 Americans die each year from Fentanyl each year very largely because of the open southern border. Never mid all the other criminality.

You will not hear globalist Open borders mozzietard say much about this. Some 12 million unvetted people have matched into America. any enemy of America can get its operatives into America.

The figure is probably much higher as the unknown got aways obviously cannot be calculated.

HasBeen’s lunatic right wing sources never reported that. Wanker and HasBeen are a study in  belief. If one of their trusted sources told them the globalists have secretly established a colony on the moon…they would believe it. Gullible is far too weak a word.

In his first public comments on the terrorist attacks that shocked the nation, the Russian president made no mention of Islamic State’s claim to have carried out the attack.Instead, Putin suggested without evidence that Ukraine may have been involved in Friday’s attack at the Crocus City Hall just outside Moscow, saying that “the Ukrainian side” had “prepared a window” for the terrorists to cross the border from Russia into Ukraine before they were apprehended.“They tried to hide and move towards Ukraine, where, according to preliminary data, a window was prepared for them from the Ukrainian side to cross the state border,” Putin said in a televised address.His comments came short of directly blaming Ukraine for the attack, saying that those responsible would be punished, “whoever they may be, whoever may have sent them”. The four suspected gunmen were all foreign citizens, Russia’s interior ministry later said.Islamic State, through an affiliated news agency, claimed responsibility for the attack late on Friday in a post on Telegram, in which they claimed the gunmen had managed to escape afterwards. On Saturday, IS released a photo of what it said were the four attackers behind the shooting rampage.In a statement, the group said the shooting came within the context of the “raging war” between Islamic State and countries fighting Islam.A US official said Washington had intelligence confirming Islamic State’s claim.Russian officials and state news channels have been quiet about Islamic State’s claim to have carried out the attack, but a US official said Washington had intelligence confirming it.Ukraine’s foreign ministry said in a statement that Russian officials were engaged in accusations against Kyiv “with the goals of stirring up anti-Ukrainian hysteria in Russian society and creating conditions to boost mobilisation of Russian citizens into the criminal aggression against our state”.People work in the rubble of a destroyed buildingWho is thought to be behind the Moscow attack?Read moreA building gutted by fire.Fire-damaged Crocus City Hall. Photograph: Vitaly Smolnikov/APSome Russian officials also speculated that Ukraine, the country against which Russia launched a full-scale invasion two years ago, was responsible.Alexey Chepa, the first deputy chair of the state duma committee on international affairs, said the “events were connected to Ukraine”.The death toll from the attack had risen to 133 by Saturday afternoon, according to a statement from Russia’s investigative committee. Putin declared a day of mourning for Sunday and passed his condolences on to the families of those killed in the attack.Russian authorities said at least 145 people had been injured, with 16 people in a “critical state”.“The number of victims of the terrorist attack will grow significantly,” said Andrei Vorobyov, the governor of the Moscow region.Moscow concert hall attack: what we know so far – video reportPhotos on Friday evening showed Crocus City Hall engulfed in flames as graphic videos appeared to show several people being killed by the unidentified gunmen. In one clip, three men in fatigues carrying rifles fired at point-blank range into bodies strewn about the lobby of the concert hall. ??Other video footage showed people screaming, crawling on their hands and knees out of the music venue or fleeing down stairwells.The attack came minutes before a veteran Russian rock band was to start playing in front of a sold-out audience.Witness accounts describe scenes of chaos and confusion, with many concertgoers initially assuming the sound of gunshots was part of the show.“We entered the hall and took our seats right in the centre. At some moment we heard a large bang coming from outside the room, we thought it was part of the concert,” Arina, a clinical psychologist from Moscow told the Guardian.“But at some point, we understood something was seriously wrong, we realised there were shootings. Then we saw a man in camouflage holding an automatic gun … We all lay on the ground. I looked beside me and I saw many injured people covered in blood,” she said.'I started to panic': survivor of Moscow attack tells of how she escaped gunmen – videoThe Russian investigative committee said those killed in the concert hall died of gunshot wounds and “poisoning” related to the fire.The committee added that the attackers had used “a flammable liquid to set fire to the premises of the concert hall”.Baza, a telegram channel close to Russia’s security services, said more than 10 bodies of the victims had been found in one of the toilets of the Crocus City Hall.According to the channel, the victims were hiding from the shooting but later died because of the smoke.The international community condemned the incident, with the UN security council calling it a “heinous and cowardly terrorist attack”.The British foreign secretary, David Cameron, said the UK “condemns the deadly attack in the strongest possible terms”.The Crocus City Hall shooting was the deadliest attack in Russia since the 2004 Beslan school siege, in which 334 people, including 186 children, were killed after being held captive by militants for two days.A Kalashnikov assault rifle lies on the ground at the Crocus City Hall.A Kalashnikov assault rifle lies on the ground at the Crocus City Hall. Photograph: APQuestions will be raised as to why Putin appeared to have rejected a terror warning weeks before the attack.The attack on Friday came two weeks after western countries led by the US had issued terror warnings and told their citizens not to join public gatherings in Russia.The group that claimed credit for the deadly terrorist attack was an Islamic State affiliate in Afghanistan called Islamic State Khorasan Province, or ISKP.According to US officials, Washington had collected intelligence in March that ISKP had been planning an attack on Moscow, according to officials.Putin had called the March warnings from western embassies a “provocation”.But citing a source in Russia’s security services, the state agency Tass on Saturday admitted that Russian security services did indeed receive information from the US over a potential terrorist attack.The FSB previously said it had foiled an attack on a Moscow synagogue by ISKP, a group that seeks to create a caliphate across Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Iran.On Saturday, Russian state news aired footage of interrogations of three alleged attackers, including one where the suspect is speaking in Tajik through an interpreter.ISKP has previously been reported to have recruited radicalised nationals from central Asia, including Tajikistan.In one of the clips, circulated by Russian bloggers, members of the security forces are seen cutting off the ear of a man who is later interrogated over the attack.Russian authorities had also recently carried out a series of raids against armed Islamist militants in the region of Ingushetia, leading to firefights between police and the fighters.Pawe? Wójcik, a specialist in Islamic State messaging and propaganda, said IS messaging after the Moscow attack was similar to previous attacks that the group claimed in Tehran and Kabul.“The messaging we saw from IS following the attack was standard,” Wójcik told the Guardian.Wójcik said IS would have “many motives” to launch a terrorist attack in Russia, including Moscow’s involvement in the campaign against IS in Syria, Mali and Burkina Faso.Putin changed the course of the Syrian civil war by intervening in 2015, supporting the country’s president, Bashar al-Assad, against the opposition and IS.Wójcik added that ISKP had recently “strongly embraced anti-Russia narrative in its propaganda output”

Yep, the filth Putin will twist the narrative, blaming Ukraine .....................

This is probably related to ISIS.   In the  ISIS battle to take over Syria and Iraq some of the3 ISIS leaders came from Cheznia and after ISIS was crushed in 2016 and 2017 most of thee ISIS leadership vanished and reportedly turned up in Afghanistan.   I think it was reported that two of the bombers in Boston also came from Cheznia and the FBI and CIA were warned by the Russian Secret Sevrice to monitor  the two bombers.

If he was any way Ukraine could be involved it would be through the Asov Battalian.    At the battle of  Mario[ol in 2022 the Russian Govenrmnt captured the Asov Battalon members and since the Russians do not regard Asov Batallion members as Prisones of war they handed five of the offices to Turkey and they apparently were released to Ukraine on request of the Ukraine Government. and was met at the Kiev airport by Zelenskyy himself.   The Turks does not want the Radicals themselves s they sent them to Ukraine instead.  .    

I doubt very much whether Ukraine had anything to do with the attack - it international terrorism is always linked to radicalized Muslims -eg Al Qaida, the Taiban and ISIS.   The world is largely endaangred by the  radicalized Muslims and they can strike anywhere.   Wray of the FBI has warned Congress that they are worried by huge numbers of illegal migrants coming  from ME countries like Pakistan and Indonesia and that there was no way that radicals from Muslim countries came into the USA from amogst the 125 000 the USA brought from Afghanistan after 2021 and from the illegal migrants entering the USA through the Open Mexican Border  ordered by Biden.     

Wray is particularly worried by two elements in the USA at present and nobody seems to know what happened to them.   Amongst them are an estimated 50 000 Muslims from Afghanistan and other Muslim countries like Pakistan, Indonesia and other Muslim countries like Somalia - all with their own radicalized components in communities.   the other facture that is problematic is the fact that there are also about at least 30 000 Chinese - mostly young men that are now about 50 000 of those who could be sent to Mexico with false ID documents ending up in the USA.   

In the case of Northern Mozambique and Tanzania the US Navy is involved  in trying to stop radicals from Tanzania taking over in Tanzania and is involved in operations - mostly from the US navy partrol ling the area, while the SA army has stationed troops in Northern Mozambique on the invitation of the Mozambique Government to protect civilians - many of them from SA helping with infrastructure development to supply gas and oil from a huge field in the of-shore gas and oil field discovered about 10 years ago.  

From what I heard privately is that the US Navty is complicating the operations by the SA and allowing radicals from Zanzibar and other countries like Somalia to enter Mozambique and that the relationship with  the SA Army and navy is very frosty.  Instead of working together to limit Islamic radicalized terrorists into the Northern Mozambique and even the USA itself.  However, there is no co-operation between the USA and other countries battling the problem the present USA Government are frusstrating other countries from, effectively fighting radicalized  Muslims worldwide..   American agents helped to cause the downfall of the Imran Khan government in Pakistan and the country is now back to where it was in the period 2012 to 2020 with the radicals taking over power.   

It creates further terrorism worldwide and the fact is that radicalism is now shown i the USA itself the present weak administration is causing a security situation that is destroying actions that would allow radicalism into the USA.   The same problems exist in the UK and in the EU countries,     We live in a dangerous world and that is a fact a well. 

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It certainly looks like Putin is using this as a red flag by blaming Ukraine to take the pressure off himself.

Everyone knows it is Muslims, but Putin appears to be implying that they were not Muslims- or they were Muslims - but were are allies with Ukraine.

Given Russia is at war, their domestic security services may be reduced.

Reports coming in that Putin organised this attack (right after he declares his special operation is now a war) to justify his conscription of another 2 million troops.

Gee this making up conspiracies is so easy I can see how even a moron like pedobeeno can do it.

It certainly looks like Putin is going to spin this tragedy to mobilise.
Just a few days before this Moscow event, Putin said the Ukraine special military operation is now officially a war. (The context has changed according to his spokesperson because of NATO).

Ukraine has proven they are capable of destroying the Russian economy by attacking the Russian oil field using drones. At the current rate, Ukraine could stop all oil production in Russia .

Washington told Putler ISIS had plans to stage an event ( or in fact gatecrash ) in Russia ............ Putshtin called that warning a 'provocation'.

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"Washington told Putler ISIS had plans to stage an event ( or in fact gatecrash ) in Russia ............ Putstin called that warning a 'provocation?

Two problms here -where did yo get frm?  

Maybe Putin did say what you wrote because here are so many lies coming from Washngton that one can hardly trust such a message as true.  

By the way circa 40% of the people living in the Russian Federation are Muslims and many of he Cheznia Muslims have radical people that was involved 

However it is always opossible that Muslim extremists with links to ISIS was involved in he attack.    After the Cheznia rebellion stopped some of the rebels fled to Turkey and from there they became involved in the formation of ISIS - that nearly captured the shole of Iraq.  

It is not clear what happened next.    Did these Cheznian ISIS leaders ended up in Afghanistan - ISIS was involved there..    I would not be surprized  if some of them  joining  the Asov Battalion now part of the Ukraine Army.    I would not be surprised if some of them did not end up in the USA.   In any event whereever  they are - they al ways are dangerous.   

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By the way circa 40% of the people living in the Russian Federation are Muslims

Its 9%. How can someone be so consistently wrong at just about everything.

Yes Stav...Mike is way off, but 9% (or 14M people -10% according to Wiki) is still a significant number...point being there are a lot of Muslims with a axe to grind with Russia and working with Ukraine to accomplish that might be a strong possibility...what Ukrain's involvement would be in acts of terrorism against civilians like in this case, is a whole different issue though.

...didn't drones attack a Moscow airport the other day?

I apologize about the 40% people.    There are many Russians who did not declare their religion  as  Muslim - but are not pracice Muslim religious although jheir paents are Muslim.  Take for instance Bublik and Shevchenko  - both borne Muslims but Shevchenko lives nowadays in Vienna and Bublik is still living in Moscow - but he plays representing Kazakhstan through the faact that his mother is from Kazakhstan.

There are 25% of the population that had not indicated their religious convictions - so it may be the Muslims who think that they are hessitant to declare their convictions and had connections with the Muslims.

I read somwhere that 40% of the population is Muslims and Putin's relationship with Ian is aimed to keep them supportive of Russia is maintained to silence he Mu8slims in he country and kep them happy.   

In any event he took Muslims migrants to to filter them into Poland and Finland causing the two countries to close their boder with Russia and Byelo.    

My comment is aimed at radicalized Muslims that are ripe for terrorism all over the world - also in the USA.    .   i have no problem with Muslims I have problems with rafdicalized Muslims - which is where the problem lies.

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point being there are a lot of Muslims with a axe to grind with Russia and working with Ukraine to accomplish that might be a strong possibility

Ukraine would have nothing to gain and everything to lose by being involved in such an attack.

Aside from which Ukraine to date has shown no signs of willingness to attack civilian targets.

...didn't drones attack a Moscow airport the other day?

As far as I'm aware there was drone attack in Moscow (not sure of the target) but it wasn't targeting the airport. The airports in Moscow did temporarily close as a result of the attack as a precautionary measure.

Putin's relationship with Ian

WTF?

It doesn’t matter what happens the Russia bots will turn it into the fault of NATO, the CIA, Biden and mostly the Ukraine. They are totally invested in their view of the world which rejects the West and all it has done to allow us to live civilized lives, in favor of a fairy tale in which Putin is the knight in gleaming white armor, and Western leaders a new version of the Nazi Jewish banker bogeymen.

Sadly the Afrikaners, for all their many fine virtues, have always been a gullible lot.

"what Ukrain's involvement would be in acts of terrorism against civilians like in this case, is a whole different issue though."

Yes Stav, I agree...I don't think Ukraine would get involved in terrorism...they could have easily already if they wanted too...and I think the drone strikes were on military aircraft....

And no, I don't think ISIS and Ukraine are alloes at all...The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend...