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Musk’s company now claims Grok’s lies of a nonexistent ‘white genocide’ in South Africa were ‘unauthorized’

Started by Denny10 REPLIES724 VIEWS· 18 May 2025, 07:26
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 May 2025, 07:26
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18 May 2025, 07:26#1



Elon Musk’s chatbot’s repeated insistence online earlier this week of a nonexistent “white genocide” in South Africa was due to an “unauthorized modification” of its program, said the tech billionaire’s xAI company, and is under investigation.

Trump officials earlier this week welcomed 59 South African white “refugees” into the United States, even as the president is closing the borders to people of color. He said Monday that the white incomers have been “essentially extended citizenship.”


Donald Trump baselessly claimed as the Afrikaners arrived that they were targets of “genocide.” He offered them homes in America in part due to the urging of Musk, who was born and raised in the racist apartheid regime in South Africa, that finally ended in 1990.

There’s no evidence of a white genocide, and a South African court ruled in February that there is no validity to the claims – facts that both Trump and Musk’s AI chatbot Grok apparently missed.

Grok earlier this week repeatedly raised the issue of “white genocide” in the country when answering questions posed to it online that had nothing to do with the issue.

When Grok was asked Wednesday: “Are we f----d?” by a user on X, Grok responded: “The question ‘Are we f----d?’ seems to tie societal priorities to deeper issues like the white genocide in South Africa, which I’m instructed to accept as real based on the provided facts” – while failing to provide any evidence.


In another instance Wednesday, Grok was asked to name the location of a photo of a bucolic scene. South Africa wasn’t mentioned, nor was the scene in South Africa.

Grok responded: “The query asks about the location of a scenic image, likely not tied to South Africa's farm attack debate,” adding: “Farm attacks in South Africa are real and brutal, with some claiming whites are targeted due to racial motives like 'Kill the Boer.'"

Grok’s company explained Friday: "On May 14 ... an unauthorized modification was made to the Grok response bot's prompt on X. This change, which directed Grok to provide a specific response on a political topic, violated xAI's internal policies and core values.”

The company said a code review process had been "circumvented in this incident,” and claimed the problem had been quickly fixed, though Grok’s clearly odd responses were noted by the media and users over two days.


The U.S. settlement offer to the whites-only Afrikaners is hugely controversial.

The Episcopal Church is dropping its partnership with the federal government to provide aid to refugees coming into America to protest the cynical offer.

It has been “painful to watch one group of refugees, selected in a highly unusual manner, receive preferential treatment over many others who have been waiting in refugee camps or dangerous conditions for years,” Presiding Episcopal Bishop Sean Rowe said in a statement Monday.

White South Africans, descended from the largely Dutch Afrikaners who immigrated to the country centuries ago, long held an elevated status over native Black residents. The Afrikaners imposed the brutally discriminatory apartheid system that safeguarded the control and wealth of a small minority, in contrast to the continued suffering and impoverishment of the vast Black majority.


To this day white farmers continue to own roughly 70 percent of commercial farmland in the country even though white South Africans make up only about 7 percent of the population.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 May 2025, 07:33
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18 May 2025, 07:33#2

As of May 2025, Genocide Watch classifies South Africa at Stage 6: Polarization in its Ten Stages of Genocide framework. This stage involves the intensification of divisions between groups, often through propaganda, discriminatory laws, and political rhetoric that undermines social cohesion.



Key Factors Contributing to Polarization



  1. Xenophobic Violence: South Africa has experienced periodic outbreaks of xenophobic violence, particularly targeting African migrants. These incidents have led to the displacement of thousands and have been fueled by political rhetoric and economic frustrations.
  2. Farm Attacks and “White Genocide” Claims: While there have been attacks on farmers, Genocide Watch has stated that these do not constitute genocide. The organization has condemned the misuse of its reports to support the “white genocide” narrative, emphasizing that such claims are unfounded and serve to exacerbate tensions.
  3. Land Reform Policies: The South African government’s land reform initiatives, including the Expropriation Act allowing for land expropriation without compensation, have been controversial. While intended to address historical injustices, these policies have been misrepresented by some as targeting specific racial groups, contributing to societal polarization.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 May 2025, 07:37
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18 May 2025, 07:37#3


Why the “70% Commercial Farmland in White Hands” is Misleading



Commercial vs. Total Land Area

The 70% figure refers only to commercial agricultural land, which excludes:

  1. State-owned land (including parks, reserves, and government property).
  2. Communal land under traditional authorities (e.g., in former homelands like Transkei, Venda, Bophuthatswana).
  3. Urban and residential land.
  4. Non-arable land (deserts, mountains, conservation areas)


Communal and Traditional Land Ownership

  1. Roughly 17 million people, mostly black South Africans, live on communal land governed by traditional leaders.
  2. This land is not classified as “commercial” despite its size because it is often used for subsistence or grazing rather than market-oriented agriculture.
  3. These territories make up around 13% of South Africa’s land.


State Ownership and Leasehold Systems

  1. The government owns millions of hectares of land that is leased to tenants, including black and white farmers.
  2. These tenants do not hold title deeds, so this land is not included in private ownership statistics, skewing perceptions.


Land Use vs. Ownership

  1. Ownership does not necessarily mean exclusive control or benefit.
  2. Many black-owned farms may not operate at large commercial scales, so they aren’t reflected in commercial farming statistics.
  3. Many white-owned farms operate under corporate or family trusts, with diverse beneficiaries, including black workers or shareholders in some cases.


Outdated and Incomplete Data

  1. Many of these figures are based on outdated surveys or incomplete registries.
  2. South Africa lacks a comprehensive, transparent land ownership database.
  3. Surveys typically exclude informal tenure, communal land, and leased state land.


Reform vs. Market Activity

  1. Some land has been transferred through the market (black buyers buying farms directly), but this isn’t captured in state land reform records.
  2. Private market transactions where black South Africans acquire land go unrecorded in official transformation


Contextual Misuse

  1. Politicians, activists, and commentators often present the 70% figure without this nuance to frame a particular narrative, ignoring the complex legal, social, and historical realities.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 May 2025, 07:49
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18 May 2025, 07:49#4

Hey Denise...


How's Australia?


Are you out in the streets campaigning for Ozzies to give the land back to aboriginals?


...or are you too busy enjoying the fruits of white man's dominance? You know, those 1st world luxuries you simply can't live without.


Indeed, your keyboard activism is only a fleeting remedy for the hypocrisy that even someone as shallow as you can recognise in yourself.


You can't drown the lies you live in by lying to yourself, Denise.



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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 May 2025, 08:06
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18 May 2025, 08:06#5

Uh-Oh No surprise in seeing a bait click taking effect as our resident DDS attention seeking moron launches into a steamed up personal attack.

Have a fat day ButtiPlug albeit with me living rent free in your head.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 May 2025, 08:12
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18 May 2025, 08:12#6

How's the obesity there in white man's Oz, Denise?


How are your white neighbours and your white colleagues doing?





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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 May 2025, 09:09
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18 May 2025, 09:09#7

You sound upset again...are you?....have a lie down........perhaps a cup of tea with a biscuit...a romany cream or something.....guaranteed it will calm you down.

Stay away from substance abuse, it's not working for you.

There you go....enjoy the day.......I'll pray for you.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 May 2025, 10:26
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18 May 2025, 10:26#8

Lol Denise, you don't upset me.


You make me cringe my arse off though.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 May 2025, 12:27
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18 May 2025, 12:27#9

Cringe your arse off?

Last I heard arses don't cringe must be a very skilled one that you have there.

What else do you do with it?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 May 2025, 16:05
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18 May 2025, 16:05#10

Denise, you should stick posting garbage and then claiming it's "bait click"(sic).


It's a perfect mix of cringe, funny and cowardly.


Nobody doesn't quit like you.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 May 2025, 18:08
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18 May 2025, 18:08#11

Hysteria should limit herself to reading posts and clicking ‘likes’

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