Nationalist/ populist Jair Bolsonaro WINS Brazilian Presidency in a Landslide!!!

The treasonous globalists are going dooooown. Trump changing the world!!! MSM freaking out! Hahahahahhahaha

Bolsonaro WINS Brazilian Presidency

Yes great news Moz! Europe and the USA could yet be saved. Make sure you vote Red all the way down the ballot! Maga and America First.

Wow, does not sound good. 

Rooinek 

I have read something about Bolsonaro and knows he is a rightwing politician with a strong anti- corruption  approach.

However, I read your comments on statements made by you - but there are indications that at least some of those could be fake-news and distortions.   

I do not think too highly of some stories fabricated by CNN and other left-leaning agencies - so some of the myths coming from them as well.   Probably due to the public support of Bolsonaro and his family of Trump.

Rooi, most of those quotes sound like it's coming from a rude stand up comedy routine.

Show your sources doofooooos! Also need the full context.  Most of those comments could be fine in the correct context.

Seeing a few articles and all show the communists (known today as socialists) and the MSM are having a meltdown. Hahahahahahahhahaha its all bad news for these morons these days!

Brazilians are telling the communists to move to Cuba! America should do the same! Tell these scumbags to p*ss off! Hahahahahahahhahahahaha

The more Bolsonaro was winning the more outraged these fools became! Just like with Trump. Until the people of Brazil turned away in disgust and kicked these bozos OUT. bwahahahahahahashaha

Mozart

One of the remarks Rooinek quoted is an age-old comedy clip -

"I never hit my ex-wife. But many times I wanted to shoot her."

Then we have the other two cases which are just political jokes anyway and found expression in many quotes in the past where men in politics make similar claims about a female politicians  looks:-

"I would never rape you, because you don't deserve it."

"I have five children. There were four men, on the fifth I got weak and a woman came out."

Bolsonaro obviously was a military man who joked about things a lot giving rather rough expressions on issues.   He is however, a committed Christian and how he got two divorces and got away with it in a Catholic country is another question.

As it is he is as President with minority support in the Brazilian Senate and House of Delegates will not have the space to introduce radical changes - other than in the fight against corruption and economic graft, as well as another approach to economic policy.

When I was in Europe in 1973 the Brazilian currency was worthless in foreign trading.   Things started to improve afterwards and by 1992 the country was on a sound footing financially despite the intervening military dictatorship.   That was when Luna took over and the economy started going to the dogs again.   Fact is  that Zuma took lessons from Luna and his successor how to loot and bankrupt the  country.   Luna is in jail and his successor was kicked out as a result of looting and corruption as well.

Luna and co did what is really the pits.   They generally helped the Brazilian poor by their policies through grants and similar measures, but they made sure that for every cent they did for them - they make a thousand dollars for themselves.  It was grand scale corruption on a massive scale and the present situation is that the Brazilian currency is as poor as the SA one is.   The young is generally without jobs and refugees from the even worse off Venezuela is pouring into Brazil and Colombia  creating further financial vows in Brazil as well.

I am not sure what will happen iro the Brics issue.   Bolsonaro is apparently an admirer of Putin and he dislikes China intensely because of the results of previous and present  Chinese business practices in Brazil.   How is he going to get along with Ramaphosa?  I am pretty certain he would not have taken any telephone calls from Zuma though.

However, there is no indications that Ramaphosa phoned him to congratulate him on his election victory.   So we will end up with another problem in Brics and elsewhere.

That does not mean any of the three statements are serious - they might at best be rather rough jokes expected from a military type anyway,  

As stated the people of Brazil knows exactly what the problems in the country are and they also know that the oppositi0on from the Labour Party became such a source of corruption, etc and the marginalization of especially the young, that I am not surprised by the result.

The disaster for the Labour orientated parties are that they lost many of the seats in Governorships, Legislative seats and mayorships as well - so it was not only the elctorate bolting towards Bolsonaro - it was also an upheaval in general against all the left-leaning parties.

But that means that they are also not giving Bolsonaro a free hand.  His first appointment as Finance Minster was a rather liberal expert - with views being rather neutral - but also a strong opponent of the tendencies that became standard of the political parties over the last two decades.   Bolsonaro will likely pick some experts outside his party as cabinet level to get the country back on track.

He will not have a free hand to govern anyway - so whatever he uttered in the pa st will not necessarily be of any real value.   I think he did in fact supported the military regime in Brazil at the time, but more insofar as getting the country back on track after a near total collapse under the then politicians.   When the country got democratic government back - it started going backwards and under the Luna and his successor regimes the country deteriorated badly from an economical point f view and they are very near to the  1973  situation.

It shows what can happy in countries where politicians make an unholy economic disaster through looting and related practices.   Brazil under Luna also tried land expropriation without compensation and food production suffered badly - so another ANC problem in the offing.  There are things that politicians do that destroy the economy of countries and the result is often politically not good for democracy in a country.  In fact it was Socrates who wrote thousands of years ago that Democracy is a bad form of Government in a country credited with inventing the democratic form of Government.   His criticism were for the same reasons we see at present - an uninformed class who cannot see important things and listen to demagogues who then get elected and benefit themselves afterwards and not governing in the interest of anybody bar themselves.             

That does not mean any of the three statements are serious - they might at best be rather rough jokes expected from a military type anyway,  

As stated the people of brazil knows exactly what the problems in the country are and they also know that the oppositi0on from the Laour Party became such a source of corruption, etc and the marginalization of especially the young, that I am not surprised by the result.

The disaster for the Labout orientated parties are that they lost many of the seats in Governorships, Legislative seats and mayorships as well - so it was not only the elctorate bolting towards Bolsonaro - it was also an upheaval in generl against all the left-leaning parties.

But that means that they are also not giving Bolsonaro a free hand.  His first appointment as Finance Minster was a rather liberal expert - with views being rather neutral - but also a strong opponent of the tendencies that became standard of the political parties over the last two decades.   Bolsonaro will likely pick some experts outside his party as cabinet level to get the country back on track.

He will not have a free hand to govern anyway - so whatever he uttered in the apst will not necessarily be of any real value.   I think he did in fact supported the military regime in Brazil at the time, but more insofar as getting the country back on track after a near total collapse under the then politicians.   When the country got democratic government back - it started going backwards and under the Luna and his successor regimes the country deteriorated badly from an economical point f view and they are very near to the  1973  situation.

It shows what can happy in countries where politicians make an unholy economic disaster through looting and related practices.   Brazil under Luna also tried land expropriation without compensation and food production suffered badly - so another ANC problem in the offing.  There are things that politicians do that destroy the economy of countries and the result is often politically not good for democracy in a country.  In fact it was Socrates who wrote thousands of years ago that Democracy is a bad form of Government in a country credited with inventing the democratic form of Government.   His criticism were for the same reasons we see at present - an uninformed class who cannot see important things and listen to demagogues who then get elected and benefit themselves afterwards and not governing in the interest of anybody bar themselves.             

Guy is practicing his right to free speech Rooi.

Might be despicable to you and I, but that's a result of free speech.

He is allowed to hate gays as much as anyone else is allowed to defend or support them.

The result of democracy is that people are allowed to elect any candidate they prefer. Even homophobic ones.

That's the real issue for me.

Liberty is never balanced. One side is always fighting for it's life. 

If you don't like gays, criminals, atheists, nazis, jews, teachers, yoga practitioners or anyone else...why should you keep it a secret?

It's your right to speak your mind. Some will agree and some won't.

It's that right and the debates and arguments it creates which drive social progress.

Defaming someone for hating gays is just as bad as defaming a person for supporting gays.

Unfortunately that's as far as discussions go these days.

Someone makes a statement, gets a label put on them and that's the end of it.

Nobody has time to actually argue against the statement being made.

Indeed Rooi

It's indicative of what people want.

If the majority disagree with him they'd not vote him in.

I feel like people have been beaten for long and hard with the liberal stick that they are starting gravitate back to guys like this.

Forced acceptance of any and everything has been rammed down people's throats. And this is the result.

Personally, I blame the hippies ;)

"I feel like people have been beaten for long and hard with the liberal stick that they are starting gravitate back to guys like this."

Yes I agree. I said on another thread some time ago that it almost feels like we're back in the late 1930s when there was a such a backlash against the left that led to Facism in Italy, Nazism in Germany and generally far right nationalist parties coming to prominence all over Europe.

It's happening again. Wherever you look in Europe far right nationalist parties are either winning elections or increasing their seats. Now we have Bozo in the the USA and this Bolsonaro facist in Brazil.

The pendulum has swung but it's swung too far too quickly.

Rooinek 

I do not like either too leftist a Government or same with a rightest government.  I think we need politicians who honestly want to serve our people.   I liked what I saw happening in the Mandela era and even initially what was done by Mbeki, but things started going pearshaped under Mbeki already and the Zuma era was an unmitigated disaster.

I have seen our present Government making promises to the public and after elections just broke every promise they have made and started looking after themselves and forget about what they have promised.

There are always socio-economic problems that lead to the movement of people to the right in countries long run by leftists.   Unlike what people generally believe the unlamented USSR was actually when looking at their actual achievements were in essence became a reactionary party with ultra-conservative tendencies, run by the greatest looters in the history of mankind.   

In essence I do not condemn the people who reacted against what they see as threats to their lives and when their living conditions becomes extremely difficult and unbearable.

I would like to see what will happen in the mid-term selections  next week in the USA,   I think that Trump may come up stronger than before and  the hopes of the Democrats will not make the gains  they are hoping for.  The dollar is looking stronger  than it did for years and is possible that the working class may react against the  Democrats again.                 

The problem being...when white nationalists make a fuss, it's never a small one.

Germany seems to have gone from being obliged(due to WW2) front it runners on morality to leading the nationalist charge. 

It's scary shit but it hasn't appeared from nowhere. 

At some point EU and US politicians made one too many deals with the Saudis, whether by choice or coercion, and it broke the camel's back.

There's a reason that m uslims form that largest number of immigrants into Europe and I believe the Saudis are behind it.

I don't think these politicians are necessarily nefarious but I do believe that they have to make deals with the devil so that people can drive to work.

Note how Saudi Arabia was conveniently left off of Trump's travel ban.

That's the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from...yet they were left off his list which was intended in some part, to lessen the risk of terror attacks by undocumented immigrants.

If somebody found another, cheaper and more abundant form of energy, the world's politics would change instantly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK1BP8MQ-f4