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Norway investigates 23 deaths after Pfizer BioNTec vaccination

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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
17 Jan 2021, 23:39
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17 Jan 2021, 23:39#1

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

A tragedy, all were very old and frail. Some countries are no longer giving the oldest people the Pfizer vaccine...

Doctors in Norway have been told to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer BioNTec vaccine against covid-19, following the deaths of 23 patients shortly after receiving the vaccine.

“It may be a coincidence, but we aren’t sure,” Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency (NOMA), told The BMJ. “There is no certain connection between these deaths and the vaccine.”

The agency has investigated 13 of the deaths so far and concluded that common adverse reactions of mRNA vaccines, such as fever, nausea, and diarrhoea, may have contributed to fatal outcomes in some of the frail patients.

“There is a possibility that these common adverse reactions, that are not dangerous in fitter, younger patients and are not unusual with vaccines, may aggravate underlying disease in the elderly,” Madsen said. “We are not alarmed or worried about this, because these are very rare occurrences and they occurred in very frail patients with very serious disease,” he emphasised. “We are now asking for doctors to continue with the vaccination, but to carry out extra evaluation of very sick people whose underlying condition might be aggravated by it.” This evaluation includes discussing the risks and benefits of vaccination with the patient and their families to decide whether or not vaccination is the best course.

More than 20?000 doses of the vaccine have been administered over the past few weeks in Norway and around 400 deaths normally occur among care home residents every week.

The Paul Ehrlich Institute in Germany is also investigating 10 deaths shortly after covid-19 vaccination.1

Asked if any deaths had occurred in UK patients after vaccination, the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said that details of all suspected reactions reported in association with approved covid-19 vaccines would be published along with its assessment of the data on a regular basis in the future. Based on the available published reports from the clinical trials, the MHRA said it did not currently anticipate any specific safety concerns.

In a statement, Pfizer said, “Pfizer and BioNTech are aware of reported deaths following administration of BNT162b2. We are working with NOMA to gather all the relevant information.

“Norwegian authorities have prioritised the immunisation of residents in nursing homes, most of whom are very elderly with underlying medical conditions and some of whom are terminally ill. NOMA confirm the number of incidents so far is not alarming, and in line with expectations. All reported deaths will be thoroughly evaluated by NOMA to determine if these incidents are related to the vaccine. The Norwegian government will also consider adjusting their vaccination instructions to take the patients’ health into more consideration.

“Our immediate thoughts are with the bereaved families.”

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I would prefer the Oxford vaccine.
While the reported efficacy rates were lower, I don't think the measurement criteria were consistent. 

The China vaccine only has 51% effectiveness in tests in Brasil- even though they said it was much higher. 
The Russia vaccine may actually be decent, but no one trusts Putin and his gang. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2021, 00:07
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18 Jan 2021, 00:07#2

I trust Johnson and Johnson, their vaccine is a one shot deal and they have huge inventories ready to roll. .....I’m hoping their final trial produces good results later this month.

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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
18 Jan 2021, 00:19
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18 Jan 2021, 00:19#3
The Jansen one (Johnson & Johnson) sounds very promising. Perhaps better than the Oxford one - but using the same technology. 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science/progress-reported-on-one-dose-jj-vaccine-covid-19-reinfections-seen-as-rare-idUSKBN29K2IT

The RNA ones may be a step too far for current science. It is more like AI and robotics, and still in the early stages of human understanding. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jan 2021, 19:54
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18 Jan 2021, 19:54#4

Glad you guys also see the dangers of the RNA vax...South Africa will probably buy the worst vaccine at double the recommended selling price...with a nice kickback going to ANC coffers...after deliberately destroying the middle class economy...handy little virus...

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becsPro4,378 posts
19 Jan 2021, 16:31
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19 Jan 2021, 16:31#5

It’s 33 deaths now. 

The authorities are blaming underlying health issues reacting with the vaccine. 

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