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NZ PM rushes world’s most extreme abortion legislation into law while country distracted with pandemic

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2021, 20:23
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30 Aug 2021, 20:23#1

What is happening in NZ is beyond horrific. I see though that its their Parliamnet that is not reflecting the views of the people. Women are dead set against this Satanic EVIL.

NZ are having a General Election shortly. They must kick out the Marxist Globalist scumbags running the country.

Take your country back NZ.


New Zealand MPs have introduced the most extreme abortion law in the world after the Abortion Legislation Bill passed its third reading in Parliament.

The bill passed by 68 votes to 51 – a much narrower margin than at the first and second reading.

The new law will mean that New Zealand has the most extreme abortion law in the world, this will include:

Polling shows that the new law is strongly opposed by the public in New Zealand and in particular by women, with only 2% of women supporting abortion being available on-demand up to birth, 93% of women opposing sex-selective abortion being legal and 94% of women supporting the current legal standards for abortion providers and premises.

This included progressing the final sitting of the committee stage and the Bill’s third and final reading through Parliament on the same day.

The Bill has also seen a very large backlash from the disability community with over 1,200 people with Down syndrome and their families calling on the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, to keep a pre-election promise to not introduce abortion up to birth for Down syndrome.

An amendment hoping to put the issue to a public referendum failed in a conscience vote by 100 votes to 19 votes, denying the public a final say on the legislation.

Additionally, the Abortion Legislation Committee only heard from 139 people who wanted to give oral feedback on the Bill, despite over 25,000 submissions.

By way of comparison, the Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill received just 10,000 written submissions, but the Environment Committee heard 1,500 oral submissions.

New Zealand Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, was among 80 MPs responsible for defeating an attempt to require healthcare professionals to give medical help to babies born alive after ‘failed’ abortions.

An attempt to protect babies from sex-selective abortion was defeated with 50 votes in favour and 70 against, despite strong concerns over the practice being highlighted in a submission to the Abortion Legislation Committee from Stop Gendercide – a campaign group who had urged MPs to support the amendment.

Other defeated pro-life measures, aiming to soften the scope of the Bill, included pain relief to babies being aborted between 20-weeks and birth, stronger protections to conscientious objection and requiring the collection of abortion statistics.

Over 60,000 people signed a petition calling on New Zealand deputy-Prime Minister, Winston Peters, to ensure the Government withdrew the Bill.

The Green Party failed in its attempt to reverse a mistake that resulted in criminalised free speech zones, which prevent pro-life help from being offered outside abortion clinics, being excluded from the legislation.

Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson had attempted to reintroduce the measure but MPs voted 77 to 43 against it.

New Zealand-based pro-life campaign group Voice for Life said:

“In passing Labour’s extreme abortion Bill our MPs have ushered in a new law that will liberalise abortion up to birth, allow for sex-selective abortions, and remove current freedom of conscience rights from New Zealand medical professionals.

“Over the last few Parliamentary sessions our MPs had the opportunity to pass amendments that would have corrected some of the worst extremes of this Bill but instead they chose to reject such moderate measures…

“Our Parliament has a duty of care to consider the wellbeing and protection of all New Zealanders including the vulnerable.

“Tonight they failed in that basic duty of care by passing this extreme Bill, but the hundreds of thousands of voters who opposed this Bill will not forget this failure when it is time to vote in the General Election in a few short months.” 

Most extreme abortion law in the world 

Canada is the only country in the world that has no abortion law, as their law was struck down by a case brought to their Supreme Court in 1988.

Amongst the rest of the jurisdictions in the world that have abortion legislation, Victoria, Australia, currently has the most extreme law.(NOTE OAKS AGAIN YOU HAVE DAN ANDREWS A MARXIST GLOBALIST PREMIER VOTED IN BY FAR LEFT SCUMBAGS. BIG PAL OF CHINA)

The law in Victoria allows for abortion right through to birth on physical, psychological and social grounds when approved by two doctors; this can be the abortion operating surgeon and anaesthetist.

This has, in practice, allowed for abortion on demand, for any reason, right through to birth in Victoria, Australia.

Ahead of the legislation being introduced in Victoria in 2008, abortion activists claimed that, although abortion would, in practice, be allowed for any reason, doctors would ensure that the vast majority of abortions would only occur in rare circumstances, such as when a baby had a condition where they would either die in the womb or shortly after birth (a fatal foetal abnormality or life-limiting disability) – similar claims are currently now being made about the proposed NZ abortion law by abortion campaigners and MPs in New Zealand.

Data from the 12 years of the law being in operation in Victoria shows that this has not been the case. Right To Life UK’s Public Affairs team have undertaken an extensive analysis of published abortion data on late-term abortions in Victoria from The Consultative Council on Obstetric and Paediatric Mortality.

This data shows that since the law changed in 2008, 1,418 late-term abortions (between 20-weeks’ gestation and birth) have been performed, allowed by doctors for ‘psychosocial’ reasons – these were terminations where the baby did not have a disability and the abortion was performed on social grounds. In 2011, one of these abortions on social grounds occured at 37 weeks.

Under New Zealand law currently, abortion is allowed post-20 weeks on very strict grounds (when the abortion is “necessary to save the life of the woman or girl or to prevent serious permanent injury to her physical or mental health”). 

This strict law has meant that abortions post 20-weeks are rare – for example 72 abortions occurred after 20-weeks in New Zealand in 2017. 

Victoria has a population that is only 32% larger than New Zealand’s, but the number of abortions that occurred post 20-weeks were much higher, 323 or 348.61% higher than the number that occurred in New Zealand that same year (published data for Victoria has not been released for 2018 yet).

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Aug 2021, 20:42
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30 Aug 2021, 20:42#2

Horrible.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2021, 21:15
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30 Aug 2021, 21:15#3

Draad at one point I was thinking of immigrating to OZ or even nz.

Both these countries have gone to the dogs as has Canada and the US. The UK is also doing badly.

The common denominator is that these anti nation state open border Globalist are governing.


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becsPro4,378 posts
30 Aug 2021, 22:34
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30 Aug 2021, 22:34#4

Absolutely appalling.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
30 Aug 2021, 22:49
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30 Aug 2021, 22:49#5

Earth worship has always incorporated human sacrifice. Globalism is an earth worship cult. Child sacrifice rebranded by legalism. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Aug 2021, 02:09
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31 Aug 2021, 02:09#6
I agree becs appalling. It’s strange how we obsess about ‘rights’ but the rights of the unborn and in these laws, the newly born, simply don’t exist.
What a perversion of logic and decency.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Aug 2021, 09:29
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31 Aug 2021, 09:29#7
But the horse face is such a nice person and sooo o dignified.
Welcome to the country you voted for Kiwis.
Can't say we didn't warn you.
Progressive my ass. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Aug 2021, 09:45
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31 Aug 2021, 09:45#8

Plum  the Uniparty Rinos are very adept at lying to the publc. At election time hey pretend to hold conservative values then turn out to be nothing but leftist CCP Demonrats.

Trump unmasked these traitors and  now many Americans have seen the light

The nz public has been fooled by the Marxist Globalists but one hopes they too will wake and fast. These scumbags hate the nz people just like Biden and his handlers hate the American people. They are trying to destroy the nation states en route to a world government - that is the big picture. - "No borders no wall no USA at all" these traitors chanted.

Again anybody thinking Biden and is handlers made a big MISTAKE in Afghanistan are hugely mistaken.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Aug 2021, 15:41
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31 Aug 2021, 15:41#9

I can't for the hell of it understand how they get away with it. How can someone even try to justify a full term abortion.  Half term is horrible enough. 

Have the people any idea how terrible a thing such an abortion is?...and where do you get doctors and nurses prepared to do these horrible deeds? Can anyone see these things and still believe that there's no such thin as Evil?

Baal-worship indeed. People are up in arms about how KFC treats their hatchlings, but they don't bat an eye at how we treat unborn babies... full term unborn babies, slaughtered and harvested...sick!!!

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Sept 2021, 20:45
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01 Sept 2021, 20:45#10

Bump.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Sept 2021, 10:16
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02 Sept 2021, 10:16#11

Not sure what difference this is, compared to what has been happening in Texas for years, until just recently..... basically the same thing

Why the uproar now.... it's been despicable for a long time already

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Sept 2021, 11:01
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02 Sept 2021, 11:01#12

I googled Texas and abortion laws.

Seems it's actually been in the news as recently as last week.

Looks like they're changing the laws and swinging in the complete opposite direction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/01/health/texas-abortion-law-facts.html

Here's a quote from the article...


Is the law a complete ban on abortions?

The law bars abortions once cardiac activity can be detected in the embryo. This typically occurs around the sixth week of pregnancy.

That is very early in a pregnancy, and many women do not know they are pregnant at that point. By the time a pregnant woman misses her period, she is four weeks pregnant, as doctors usually define it.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Sept 2021, 11:17
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02 Sept 2021, 11:17#13

100% Plum

Here is another article posted just today

Texas

Texas has for a long time now permitted abortions for any fetus... even up to 24 weeks, where it could actually survive outside of the womb, going back to 1973.

As I said, this is certainly nothing new....

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