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Pfizer vaccine effectiveness declines quicker than AstraZeneca, says study

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2021, 09:19
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20 Aug 2021, 09:19#2

Hell - was the whole vaccine debacle worth it?    The spreading of the virus cannot be prevented by the vaccines and people with serious morbidity problems are going to die despite vaccination.    In Florida the daily death toll is  87 cases per week     

And in Texas and Arizona - the effects of the open border issue is clear - the number of infections is comparatively high.  

The death rate accordng to stats  indicates that there will be more or less 38 000 dying from covid related infections this year.   Is that enough to put the country under a state of freeze?      Is the whole scenario another example of the mishandling by the Biden   administration  of everything they touch.         

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Aug 2021, 09:40
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20 Aug 2021, 09:40#3

All very well but how do you know they have Covid. The PCR test can't tell you that and the symptoms are basically the same as flu.

The big question is rather how many people will these deadly viruses kill or maim.

These experimental gene therapies are proving to be more lethal than the so called Covid.

Now we have the booster and talk is about a 4th shot coming out.

Meanwhile evidence of the dangers pile up day by day. 

Everyone should also know by now masks don't work. 




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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
20 Aug 2021, 10:16
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20 Aug 2021, 10:16#4

"the symptoms are basically the same as flu"

The symptoms may very well be near the same as the flu..... but the damage it does isn't

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2021, 12:57
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20 Aug 2021, 12:57#5

DA

Take for instance he USA - in 2021 there were thus far in florida this year 87 people who died per week on average,   There was an upsurge of numbers due recently - but the last two weeks showedf a decline from the high it was three weeks  ago.

Based on present statistics  the expected death toll this year would be circa 40 000 people.   Normal  years  allow for about 230 000 flu deaths a year.   

So is 40 000 deaths mostly of those over 50 years of age  justified in a country with a population of over 350 000 000  such a catastrophe that it justifies locking up the whole country and using the virus  to punish the epople in their aily lives.  

In  2019 there were just over 2,9 million deaths in the USA - that figure in 2020 - the great covid 19 year - there were only 2,5 million deaths recorded. - a decrease of over 300 000 deaths per year.   There were 18 000 deaths  recorded as having died from flu related illneses - down from 230 000 in 2019

Now back to 2021 - is Biden fucking up the Covid issue by even more thjan eh did the Afghanistan disaster?    Seems to me the situation is really scary - Why is Covid 19 used to undermine the US Constitution purely rto enrich the vaccine producers,           

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
20 Aug 2021, 14:26
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20 Aug 2021, 14:26#6

To be honest, I could look at numbers for the next year and it still won't mean anything to me.

What has impacted me directly and personally regarding how I feel about Covid, is the amount of people I know, who have lost their lives to this virus..

Never.... ever.... have I seen this happen in any flu  year.... and it is not even remotely close

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2021, 15:55
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20 Aug 2021, 15:55#7

The vaccine is said to be 95% effective…..if you look at the UK, which got the full impact from the Delta. virus…..deaths are 8% of what they were back in January before vaccination. Kinda logical.

Nobody ever said this was a 100% vaccine. But you are much safer with it, than without it. Boosters are coming that will help further.

The most amazing thing is the decline in case rates in India after Delta was in full bloom….it was looking disastrous at one point.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2021, 17:12
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20 Aug 2021, 17:12#8

Mozart

Looking at the above stats I am fully in favor of vaccinatiom - but not in favor of theconstant stream of  restrictions coming out.   Why are younger people and children  with minimal deaths recorded to be vaccinated since vaccination does not  prevent infection.   Why must children from the age of 3 and older wear masks in school?    Why are certain functions band - obviously not applicable to the Democrat big-wigs, etc.   

I think vaccination must be prioritized for people over 50 and only for youngr people if they have morbidities,   

I believe older people should be vaccinated and everyone put pressure on them to be - but to start ordering people younger than .0 is a serious waste f money and only enriching the vaccine manufacturers.     

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Aug 2021, 21:55
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20 Aug 2021, 21:55#9

If the vaccines are so safe and so effective,  why are there so many sceptic doctors and scientists? Why the need for mandates and vaccine pasports...a good product sells itself, not? Why all the pressure and propaganda? Why do they want to force a rush-job vax on people who doesn't even need it? I don't have the answers, but I sure as hell don't trust what's going on.


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