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Putin has led Russia to failure with his invasion and has seen Ukraine amass 'one of the world's strongest armies' during doomed bid to 'de-Nazify and demilitarise' the country, says Wagner mercenary chief

Started by bobbok...10 REPLIES353 VIEWS· 31 May 2023, 01:06
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
31 May 2023, 01:06
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31 May 2023, 01:06#1
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12118821/Putin-led-Russia-failure-invasion-says-Wagner-mercenary-chief.html

Vladimir Putin has led Russia to abject failure with his invasion of Ukraine, the head of the Russian Wagner mercenary group has said in an astonishing outburst.

Far from demilitarising Ukraine – Russia's key war aim – Putin's botched strategy has seen Kyiv amass 'one of the world's strongest armies' through massive Western supplies, Yevgeny Prigozhin said.

The Wagner chief was once considered a close ally and confidant of Russia's tyrant and had been nicknamed Putin's 'chef'. But in the latest of his increasingly frequent outbursts, Prigozhin has g

He then warned of impending 'revolution' in Russia unless changes were made by the Kremlin leadership.

In an astonishing attack on military leaders, he said Russia would restore the death penalty and the guilty – he named defence ministry Sergei Shoigu and chief of the defence staff Valery Gerasimov as responsible for the war crisis – would be 'hanged on Red Square'.

Prigozhin blamed both Shoigu and Gerasimov for losing more men in Bakhmut than in the entire ten-year Soviet war in Afghanistan from 1979-89, which eventually led to the collapse of the USSR.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 May 2023, 04:45
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31 May 2023, 04:45#2

Well, the West armed Ukraine even better and more than they did Afghanistan and Iraq...more so, to the extreme...I hope it doesn't backfire in the same way...they won't give everything back when the conflict is over. 

War is a terrible thing and it does things to people...the effects of this war would linger on for decades after it's over....this war should never have been allowed to happen.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jun 2023, 10:15
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01 Jun 2023, 10:15#3

"In Mexico, a militant of the "Gulf Drug Cartel" showed himself an AT-4 grenade launcher, bought underground in Ukraine from the Armed Forces of Ukraine


We previously posted the video now featured on Mexican TV with more context about it’s origin.

Seen earlier report this morning about this cartel leader... but let it roll now the Mexican news is reported on it...

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jun 2023, 12:47
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01 Jun 2023, 12:47#4

Hahahahaha ou blobbie doing what blobs do!.

Lots of military equipment has been sold in Ukraine. Big money making scam


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Jun 2023, 14:34
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01 Jun 2023, 14:34#5

Not the language usually directed at a ‘strong man’ by his military 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jun 2023, 00:03
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02 Jun 2023, 00:03#6

Mozart

How do you like paying  taxes that vanish and sent to Ukraine in money o weaponry.   The whole warmongering continues and what will  happen is that the politicians and bureaucrats will continue in both countries looting  Government resources?    According to the media who like Clinton has direct access to Putin's  "inner sanctum"+ and they get daily info on the poor state of the Rusian Army and pass it on to 0o the public   

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
02 Jun 2023, 07:57
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02 Jun 2023, 07:57#7

No evidence has yet been presented that the AT-4 shown in that twitter clip is from Ukraine. These weapons have been spotted before in Mexico, Venezeula and Colombia before the war in Ukraine began.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jun 2023, 13:28
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02 Jun 2023, 13:28#8

Mike you were wrong about Apartheid, wrong about the ANC and now wrong about Russia…mostly because of your belief in the Stellenbosch intellectualism that gave us Apartheid and is now in love with Russia. It’s nonsense.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jun 2023, 17:26
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02 Jun 2023, 17:26#9

Mozart

All my life long  I put my country before anything else.   I was a civil servant who served the people - especially the poor.   For long periods in my career I worked 7 days a week and twelve hours per day - especially when I was responsible for providing housing to slum-dwellers and try to make sure they got access to necessities in life.   This brought me at times in conflict with the  National Party Government - I clashed with them when I stated politicians should not interfere directly with Administration.

In dealing with the National Party Government  there were cabinet members who were dishonest and for me that was the worst thing anybody in Government and at least four National Party ministers spent long time in jail,        

In any event I believed that public servants - and that include first and foremost  should do their jobs honestly and not enrich themselves.    In the time before the ANC took over ad subsequently I voted for the Democratic Alliance - but that did not stop me from  doing my duties to the public we are serving.    That was instilled  in a way by my parents  whose outlook was liberal.  Anyway I neve was a member of the National Party - so your comments as being wrong since it clashed with my basic principles in life.  

I developed links with the ANC and that does not mean I did not realize their deficiencies.    However, y objective all along was to raise money from Government and the private sector  for housing and infrastructure development.  Things did not go totally off the rails until 2007 when Zuma was elected as ANC President,   I told the ANC Mayor in the area that Zuma will destroy the country.   One of the worst things Zima did was to use the Police and National Prosecuting Authority to prevent politicians being arrested hen hey commit bribery and corruption.

It was for me a shock to learn what the USA politicians and Bureaucrats  are up to.    They are anytime as corrupt as the ANC at its worst is in SA.    Biden and his family as well as other crime families like those of Pelosi and Schiff made themselves very rich though bribery and corruption.   I saw plenty of documented  evidence of corruption by senior politicians and Bureaucrats.

That brings me to the Ukraine issue.   The country was known  as  the most corrupt in Europe.  In 2014 the USA Government organized and funded a coup in Ukraine and replaced the leadership with people they wanted in power.   As a result  a Civil War broke out in Ukraine between the Ukrainians and the Russian speaking residents  in Ukraine - which never stopped.   The situation got worse when Bide became President and oppression of Russian speaking  people became worse.    There was no limit to criminality and oppression since the Ukraine Constitution was thrown out of the window 

There was various attempts to stop the Civil War - eg the Minsk agreement of 2015 i- which was sabotaged by the Obama and Biden Administration.  You can read what that Agreement entailed.  Be it as it may the Ukraine became the country where looting of US Government Aid by crooks attached to the both the Ukraine and the US Government.   There ae no action against crooking  by Government,   

Be it as it may the War could have been avoided through honest negotiation. The Biden Presidency sabotaged the agreements reached,  That does not mean that I support Russia.   All I sometimes do is to try and point out the outrageous conduct of the US Government and media propaganda.                              

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
02 Jun 2023, 18:53
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02 Jun 2023, 18:53#10

DumbMike does not understand that Russia (ex-Soviet Union) are very good at pulling the strings behind the scenes with their spies and bribed turncoats puppets. 

Ukraine is corrupt, but Russia is probably covertly responsible for much of the corruption.
Russia aims to make countries even more corrupt than they are - so that Russia can control them as satellites. 

Russian Oligarchs have contributed significantly to UK elections in their support of the Tories. 
We saw during Covid that the Torries are bribed lobbyists happy to sell out their own people for cash.

They may have destroyed their political party- and a new conservative party could be needed. People under 30 in particular hate the Tories - so it does not bode well for their future existence.

In the West, there is no doubt that politicians on the right steal more than their counterparts on the left. A good portion on the left are bribed - but nearly all on the right are bribed by private interest groups

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Jun 2023, 21:16
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03 Jun 2023, 21:16#11

Prigozhin, the only Russian able to give the evil despotic Putin & his cronies a bollocking without fear of reprisal.

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