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Putin has signed his own death warrant, says wife of jailed politician

Started by Denny15 REPLIES669 VIEWS· 30 May 2022, 04:02
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
30 May 2022, 04:02
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30 May 2022, 04:02#1

Vladimir Kara-Murza’s wife Evgenia thinks he will have been like a “hurricane contained inside a bottle” since he was arrested on 11 April in Moscow and held in pre-trial detention over a speech he had made in Arizona criticising the war in Ukraine.


“He has so much energy, so many ideas, and initiatives, that being contained within the four walls of a prison will be the hardest part for him,” said Evgenia, who has not been allowed to speak to him.

As a politician, campaigner and regime critic, Vladimir Kara-Murza worked for 15 years alongside Boris Nemtsov, another opposition leader, who was killed in 2015.

Sitting in a hotel near Westminster on the same day she met the Foreign Office minister James Cleverly, Evgenia Kara-Murza warned the UK government that her husband, a British citizen who has twice been allegedly poisoned by the Russian spy agency the FSB, may have reason to fear for his own life.

She has no criticism of her husband’s choice to repeatedly return to Russia, even after the invasion of the Ukraine, saying: “He believed that as a Russian politician, he cannot call on people to continue fighting if he himself is somewhere safe, and he believes that he has to share the same risks, the same challenges as the Russians who continue to oppose this war.

“Basically, by calling this war a war, instead of the ‘special operation’ as the government wants it to be called, by saying that, a person can end up in prison for up to 15 years. On the basis of the charges laid so far Vladimir is now facing up to 10 years.”

No court date has been yet set, possibly because officials will press additional charges such as advocating personal sanctions against the regime, she said.

“Our family has been living like this for a long time,” said Kara-Murza, who has three teenage children. “He was targeted by an FSB team that tried to kill him twice in 2015 and 2017.

“Thanks to an amazing independent investigation by Bellingcat and Insider, we now know the names and the faces of those people from the FSB, who had followed him before the poisoning. Both times Vladimir was left in a coma with multiple organ failure. And I brought him back to the US. He recovered and then he went back to Russia.

“The Russian authorities have chosen this new tactic of dealing with opposition figures, especially well-known opposition figures like [Alexei] Navalny, or my husband – they try to lock them away and hide them from the public eye and prevent them from continuing to work. It is because they’re so effective when they’re outside.”

Kara-Murza said that since the war started Russia had switched from being an authoritarian regime to a totalitarian one. “There is not one independent media outlet left, there is massive repression and propaganda pumped out on national TV … There is a new iron curtain around this country.”

But she insisted dissent exists below the surface as people access news via virtual private networks or the Telegram messaging service. “I believe that Putin has not yet declared mobilisation because he knows how people will react to it. But a week or two ago, they said that there have already been 11 conscription centres burned down across Russia.

“So that’s how people protest – by saying: ‘We’re not going to go to your war.’ People get arrested for going out on the street with a copy of War and Peace. Others have been arrested for carrying ‘invisible anti-government slogans’. The police said they could see invisible things. It is that crazy.”

She pleaded for the west not to give up on the dissidents in Russia.

“I believe Putin has signed his own death warrant with this war,” she said, “but he will fall the sooner we end these double standards: at the same time as countries support the Ukrainian people by sending weapons and providing humanitarian aid and imposing sanctions on the Russian economy, they also give Putin billions for oil and gas, which allows him to continue his aggression … this has to stop because honestly, it is inexplicable.”

Her husband’s arrest and her campaign to secure his release have required her to change her role. “The fact is, I’ve never been a public figure. I’ve never been a public speaker, so everything I’m doing today, I’m learning it day by day.

“All the people I’m meeting, I heard of them, of course, from my husband’s work, but I’ve met very few of them before. So everything is novel. Everything – speaking and being on stage, speaking to journalists – is very new to me. It’s a rather glum joke, but we do have this joke in the family, that I only emerge when my husband gets poisoned or thrown in jail.”

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This is reminiscent of the Security Branch in the Apartheid era.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 May 2022, 05:13
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30 May 2022, 05:13#2

Reminiscent of the Security Branch? How would you know Quisling.

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SebPro2,680 posts
30 May 2022, 15:11
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30 May 2022, 15:11#3

Denny would make a good judge ,jury and executioner....in a Kangaroo court.Hahaha.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 May 2022, 15:48
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30 May 2022, 15:48#4

"Denny would make a good judge ,jury and executioner....in a Kangaroo court.Hahaha"

Well.... actually..... to be fair.....anything that involves dishonesty would be an activity where Denny would shine bright like a diamond.....


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 May 2022, 17:04
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30 May 2022, 17:04#5

"...anything that involves dishonesty would be an activity where Denny would shine bright like a diamond....."


Wow DA, I suppose you might have you reasons and I must say I found myself on the opposite side than Denny on probably most of the divisive issues on this board, but I can't really say that he comes across as inherently dishonest...that's a bit harsh IMO, but then again I suppose you have to call it like you see it...perspective can shade ones reality quite a bit...

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 May 2022, 17:22
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30 May 2022, 17:22#6

Yebo yes....

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Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
30 May 2022, 18:24
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30 May 2022, 18:24#7

To be a lefty you have got to be dishonest. they are angry people who hate the truth, the more they encounter the truth the more angry they are until the piss inside them bubbles over and explodes everywhere. they cannot contain it. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 May 2022, 22:19
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30 May 2022, 22:19#8

The man is a fake.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 May 2022, 22:19
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30 May 2022, 22:19#9

Lefties are self righteous and that’s inherently hard to stomach . 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
31 May 2022, 00:54
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31 May 2022, 00:54#10

Is it not normal to sometimes take a left Stance on some issues and a right Stance on other issues? There is already so many things that divide us like race, religion, culture etc. Maybe we should take the best from left/ right and meet in the middle....so that everyone feels accommodated and life can just flow without all this unnecessary conflict....it will mean that on both sides sacrifices will be made for the greater good of Humanity...just my opinion.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
31 May 2022, 03:12
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31 May 2022, 03:12#11

And what a healthy opinion. I totally agree.

Funny how I'm regarded as a Leftie even though I voted for a conservative party in our most recent elections which was last week. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 May 2022, 03:37
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31 May 2022, 03:37#12

So the Lefties are going to stop supporting late term abortions and the right wing guys are going to give up their guns? We are governed by imperfect alliances, supporting many things we don’t believe in. It comes down to deciding on balance which imperfect compromise offends you less.


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 May 2022, 08:59
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31 May 2022, 08:59#13

You can change your opinion or stance in some regards, to be a lefty or a righty on certain topics or issues ......

But... dishonesty is dishonesty.... it is what it is.... it is inherently built into your character, your being...... nothing changes that

Ag well

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SebPro2,680 posts
01 Jun 2022, 09:02
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01 Jun 2022, 09:02#14

Mpower...

"Is it not normal to sometimes take a left Stance on some issues and a right Stance on other issues? There is already so many things that divide us like race, religion, culture etc. Maybe we should take the best from left/ right and meet in the middle....so that everyone feels accommodated and life can just flow without all this unnecessary conflict....it will mean that on both sides sacrifices will be made for the greater good of Humanity...just my opinion."?


A very perfect ideal and a mature attitude but sadly in reality, mankind is flawed by deceit, hatred, greed and selfishness. There is very little respect, if any for choice as well. Old values have been replaced and we as a whole have lost what history clearly shows us.

We should get our own houses in order and fix that before we have the cheek and audacity to interfere with other countries choices of rule. There are some nations that prefer authoritarian form of rule and others western democracy, some in between...that's the people in the individual country's choice.

Big ugly Brother (if he indeed is a "brother") should stop poking his ugly snout into places where he does not belong. 

USA government's hypocrisy is the primary cause for virtually all conflicts today...ie it's brewing now in Taiwan and Pakistan where Imran Khan has been sidelined by USA interference. The conflicts in middle east are ongoing and Yemen is a holocaust.

There are some very good Americans but I'm afraid they have this deluded "superiority" complex in government. They are despised in most Eastern countries because of this.


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SebPro2,680 posts
01 Jun 2022, 10:24
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01 Jun 2022, 10:24#15

The USA government makes big business in war, ill gotten gains from misrepresentation of true liberty...without wars their economy will suffer...the devil in disguise.

The biggest propaganda oligarch in the world with media doing the dirty work.

It is filtered into virtually every aspect of life today, through the internet medium, politics, business, entertainment ( Hollywood and Disney), schools, universities and other vehicles.

Moral decay...violence has replaced law and order, lies, truth, weakness strength, culture barbarism and philistinism, hard work, play..,freedom of communication, cancel culture,  political correctness and gagging.

A perfect example of hypocrisy in extreme...covering it up does not make go away.

What is stupid beyond belief is that we judge the President of a country thousands of miles away for a war that started in 2014 when a coup had erupted...not a word then and nobody bothered. Belgrade was obliterated by bombing, hundreds of thousands, perhaps more likely millions in Iraq through "carpet bombing", the figures are mind blowing..Russia has not done that....don't talk about "Nam and many more, not to mention Hawaii Kingdom who they overthrew and stole from the Island people and made it a State of USA.



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MpowerPro5,061 posts
01 Jun 2022, 13:17
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01 Jun 2022, 13:17#16

Yes seb the world is in chaos and Governments have there own agendas. They expect  all voters to just fall in line and follow like dumb sheep...have you guys heard of www.thrivemovement.com ? They might be on to something....also watched a Documentary on Fox News and Mr. Shut up O Reilly ...and how they manipulate and lie to the world....America likes war and they encourage it to make millions of Dollars.....voters out numbers them ( don't know by how much though) but just because we allow them to, they get away with Murder on a regular basis....what a disgrace they are!

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