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Ramaphosa, Dlamini-Zuma and the virus

Started by Ceradyne13 REPLIES703 VIEWS· 25 May 2020, 11:48
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 May 2020, 11:48
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25 May 2020, 11:48#1

I got this from a friend in SA. Some may find it far fetched. To me it makes a lot of sense and possible. Especially if you know the history around the factions and infighting in the ANC. 


"The time has come,' the Walrus said, "to talk of many things:

Of Covid 19, Lockdown, and the clipping of our wings".


This is not mere speculation, nor is it conspiracy theory. Over the past two months I have gathered information from every possible online source, I have studied views and opinions from a diversity of political leanings and ideologies, I have revisited the RSA Constitution and Disaster Management Act.

I have again gone over the ANC presidential election of 2017, the machinations and implications of the outcome.

I have observed the implementation of the Act and, along with millions of others, have puzzled over the curious regulations attached thereto.

And finally, I have called upon my own lifelong observation of the ANC and their peculiar brand of Communism/ Socialism/ Africanism.


I post this in shortened form, in plain, rather than academic terms, for ease of reading, but I am prepared to expand on and debate each point.


I do not claim to be an expert.  The analysis is my own. The opinion is my own. It is an ongoing project.


You decide!


South Africa: Coup d' Zuma


The roots of the ANC/SACP ideology are deeply implanted in Stalinism, with a good dosage of Maoism thrown in.

Founded as an organisation to primarily secure equal rights for black South Africans,  the exposure of generations of leadership to the Stalinist/Maoist ideology, along with  conveniently targeted aspects of African tribal tradition, particularly the elitism of leadership, has morphed into the ANC of today.


The failure and fall of Soviet communism has been no deterrent, has brought about no change of heart. China was always ready, willing and able to take over the reins, which fits in perfectly with their expansionist policies.


Factionalism has always been part and parcel of the ANC. But so too has towing the line, once any particular faction gains ascendency. For a while. 

Changing allegiance from faction to faction for personal gain is also nothing new. But it is a fine line that members must walk, for  punishments are real, and harsh. Loyalty, however, is lavishly rewarded.

Memories are very long in the ANC, and losing a factional battle does not mean that the fight is over. Over one hundred years of scheming, plotting and backstabbing have been ingrained into the institutional memory.


Ramaphosa beat Dlamini Zuma by the narrowest of margins in December 17. This inevitably created a situation where promises had to be kept, compromises made, pay offs honoured.

The curious situation of the NWC being in the hands of the Zuma faction and the Government in the hands of the Ramaphosa faction has, until now, effectively created a stalemate. Neither faction could fully apply their agendas, thus the stagnant two years of the Ramaphosa presidency.


But the factions of the ANC do not sleep. Scheming and plotting continue. Never make the mistake of thinking the factional leadership are stupid. They are, in fact, past masters at playing this game. They have to be. It's life or death. Immense wealth and prestige versus abject poverty and ostracism. They'll use every tool at their disposal, legal or not.


Remember too that the ANC NEC considers any member they place in any position a deployee, and may withdraw or redeploy them at any time. 


South Africa is in the unique position where we are not ultimately led by a president. We have a collective presidency where the majority in cabinet rules. The president is merely the figurehead and spokesperson for the cabinet. And ultimately, South Africa is governed from Luthuli House, not the Union Buildings.


The Curious Case of Dlamini Zuma's cabinet position.


As a narrowly defeated presidential candidate, one would have expected Dlamini Zuma to be appointed Deputy President, or at least to one of the prestige Security portfolios. Instead, she became Minister of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs.

Now bear in mind that co-operative government is covered in chapter three of the constitution, right after the Bill of Rights, underlining the importance of the cabinet post. The minister effectively has control of all three tiers of government, all provinces and all municipalities.


The Disaster Management Act states that DURING THE FULL TERM OF ANY EMERGENCY/DISASTER, THE MINISTER OF  CO-OPERATIVE  GOVERNANCE CARRIES THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY! This effectively means that during an emergency, the Minister of Cooperative Governance's authority supercedes that of the President.

This means that South Africa is being ruled by Dlamini Zuma and thus, by the Zuma faction.

(I use the word "ruled" deliberately, because the Constitution is suspended and laws and regulations are being made by edict).

And she rules until the end of Level one!

And she determines the duration of each level;

And she decides when the disaster is officially over!


Covid 19


I am not going to claim that, because the ANC is so deeply and happily in bed with China, they were part and parcel of this worldwide blight. Time will tell if any conspiracy did take place.

I am however convinced that if Covid 19 had not reared it's head, the Zuma faction would have engineered a "Disaster". Any excuse would have sufficed. More than likely it would have had to do with the "Land" issue, it would have involved unrest and political instability. But the tools were there for Dlamini Zuma to take over. She and her faction were waiting for this.

She is our ipso facto President.


Lockdown regulations.


So many of the regulations seem to be totally inane. Ill  conceived. Not thought through.

From the length of time of each level to the  silly, irritating minutiae of what we may wear and eat. But knowing the way the ANC schemes, I can assure you that EVERYTHING is carefully planned, thought through, schemed and plotted. It is all very deliberate.

Every move is calculated to keep the Lockdown going for as long as possible, to keep Dlamini Zuma in charge.


Think back to the start of lockdown. The population largely bought into it. Acceptance. Compliance. Good Humour. Some grumbling, but nothing serious. Even the ban on alcohol and smoking didn't cause much of an outcry at first, because no-one was sure of anything.


But now the lockdown and it's regulations are starting to hurt badly. People are talking protest and civil disobedience.

And that's exactly what the Zuma faction want. 

Any reason to extend, to prolong the situation. To keep them in power.

And they have the full might of the (already heavy handed) police and military at their disposal.


The Bill of Rights in the Constitution provide for certain inalienable rights. Rights that may not be eroded:


*Freedom of*


*Equality*:

Eroded - certain members of the population are not benefiting from disaster relief. And I am not only referring to white people.


*Human Dignity*

Eroded -

The undignified manner in which we are being treated in general, treated as if we are stupid, appeals to reason being ignored, people being belittled and made to perform various acts at the whim of police and army. Etc.


*Freedom and Security of the Person*

Eroded -

We're in lockdown. Not at liberty.


*Privacy*:

Eroded -

How much privacy do we have? They have carte blanche to monitor your communications and everything else.


*Religion, Belief and Opinion*:

Eroded -

Places of worship closed; opinions, even of medical/scientific experts, challenged, belittled, villified.

Social media restrictions.

Opinion contrary to government actions now indictable.


*Expression*:

Eroded -

Press censorship (social)

Restrictions on and witholding of information to the media.

Academic freedom now at the whim if the State.


*Assembly, Demonstration, Picket and Petition*:

Eroded -

We cannot by decree, do the first three.

Petitions are ignored. Unless they suit the narrative.


*Association*:

Eroded -

You may associate with whomever you want. But just try it!


*Political Rights*:

Eroded -

Try some door to door canvassing!

And by decree, it is illegal to campaign against the current situation.


*Movement and Residence*:

Eroded -

You can only go anywhere at the whim of the government.

You cannot move home.

You cannot live where you wish.


*Trade, Occupation and  Profession*:

Eroded -

Who may work, where you may work, when you may work, at the whim if the State.


*Property*:

Eroded -

EWC says it all.


*Health Care, Food, Water and Social Security*:

Eroded -

All aspects a dismal ANC delivery failure.


*Education*:

Eroded -

Total State control over curriculum.

Schools and other educational institutions will open and close at the whim of the state. 


*Access to Information*:

Eroded -

Sec. 32(a)  states "anyone has the right to access any information held by the State".

Just try it!

Even instances of Dlamini Zuma refusing to release  information to the Courts.


I began this article referring to the ingrained institutional Stalinism of the ANC.

This is now manifesting itself in the current unfolding of events.

Everyone is ostensibly equal and free, but the "Elite" are more equal and more free.

All  of our freedoms suspended. Soldiers on the streets.

No dissent tolerated.


There are social media groups representing all the eroded Rights. The mainstream media is overflowing with complaint and protest. Serious calls for mass demonstrations and civil disobedience are being made.


Beware. Be careful.

It's the excuse the Zuma faction has been waiting for, in order to crack down really hard.


I am not suggesting blind subservience.

We do need to stand up to this tyranny. We do need to stand together. We need the democratic international community to know about, understand and assist in our plight.


But most of all, share this and similar posts as far and wide as possible. Forget the 5G, Bill Gates, New World Order narrative and focus on the real and imminent danger to our very existence 


Let the Zuma ANC know that we know. That we're wise to what they're doing.


Greg Deegan

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 May 2020, 13:26
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25 May 2020, 13:26#2

Makes perfect sense.  Wait till we see how they are gonna pay for all this...the government employee pension fund...and other pension funds...etc.

There's a big onslaught coming, but at long last, some of the people are waking up to the BS.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 May 2020, 14:08
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25 May 2020, 14:08#3

I do believe the above  is 100% true, and that the Chief Justice thinks so too,   The satiation is getting very critical.   And I cannot see  how the whites can survive for longer than 5 years in SA,   The fact is that democracy in SA is dead,   It w as fragile at the best of time, but now it is gone. 

How are they going to get rich while the poor gets poorer has always been of overriding importance for the ANC  leaders,   The smuggling of cigarettes is benefitting the Zumas and with the Guptas temporarily outside of SA  it ensures a billion Rand income every 2 months for the scoundrels, 

What is amazing to me is that people all over the world were under lockdown with vicious conditions imposed making the petty  dictators popping up all over the show.  The US will be in the same trap as we are if the Socialists gets the upper hand their.       

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2020, 14:26
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25 May 2020, 14:26#4

Hahahahaha forget Gates and the NWO!!!!! 

Windpomp you are a tad slow but I am backing you to eventually get there. 

Why do you think that not only in SA but world wide  the Globalist/communist are  acting in the same fashion.

Ponder that Windpomp and the light bulb may come on. 

It has EVERYTHING TO DO with the NWO. 

Enslavement is their goal. Gobal depopulation is their goal. Total control. 

You are making progress Windpomp. Keep researching, thinking and you will come to the truth.

Airheads like Redrooi and Redshark probably never will. 

These two dumb  gullible hatters are the type the ruling class want to serve them in their 500 million people world.Subservient slaves who will do masters bidding. 

Hahahahahaha who would have thought of these two rotten toads as survivors!!!! 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2020, 14:44
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25 May 2020, 14:44#5

Mike the socialist/globalist all around the work have shown their hand. Those with more than two brain cells know they want a world government which they dominate.

They want a populace they completely control. Fully brainwashed subservient souls - like Redrooi and redshark.

No freedom of expression. Only what they regard as PC views allowed. 

You will be branded and you movements and communication tracked. You will do as exactly as required and get rewarded. Those disobeying will be punished and even killed. 

The mandatory vaccine and certification is just the starting point but a key agenda point. 

Windpomp needs to see what he is so ably talking about is a world wide phenomenon. 

Trump oppeses all this and that is why they hate him to such an extraordinary degree. 

People like Redrooi and Redshark have been programmed to hate  a freedom loving nation loving patriot like Trump. 

Trump could cure every ill besetting America and they would still hate him. They have been programmed to do so by years of brainwashing. They were too weak minded to think for themselves. 

One good thing now is the battle has come more out in the open. If Trump loses in November the World order will advance rapidly. 

If he wins they will receive a big setback. But that said they will not stop. The globalist have been advancing their agenda for decades. They call it a m arch through the institutions. America is the big prize. They thought they had won. But along  came Brexit and Trump and hence the demented rage. 


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 May 2020, 14:47
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25 May 2020, 14:47#6

Blixem Beeno. What are you on about?

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2020, 15:08
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25 May 2020, 15:08#7

What was the purpose of the Wuhan virus. Well as Globalists Blair and Brown said. We need a global government with executive powers to fight this pandemic. 

This looks to me to have been a dummy run. Kissinget said in the early 1990s that fear was the way to get people to do what they want. 

So we have had the financial crises, the man made Climate Change hoax, threats of WW3. But they hit the jackpot with the Wuhan Virus using fake stats and their media to whip up a frenzy.

So where to from now. I don't know but here is a possibility. 

They could insist on a vaccine. Demonize anybody not taking it. Send another virus with a much higher death rate - Coronavirus on steroids. Blame those not getting vaccined and exclude them economically etc.

Politically they will blame Trump and Republicans for opening up and not insisting on mandatory vaccines.

Otherwise they wait longer, and hatch some other plot. Who knows. But the pushing of the one world government will not cease. 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 May 2020, 09:08
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26 May 2020, 09:08#8

Most folks in this country have no idea just how deep the rift is within the ANC ... nor are they aware of just how dangerous this is for us all. We are closer to a civil war than you think.

Their lust for absolute power knows no bounds. They are prepared to sacrifice their people and everything else, including the economy to achieve this.

The very people who keep voting these criminals into power are at risk of their livelyhood. It's near on 3 decades later and still the masses haven't learnt that they are being lied to ... they they've been taken advantage of ... robbed ... and are further away from their promised "freedom" than they were during Apartheid.

You'll find a lot of card carrying white members like Comrade Mike voting them in year after year.

If anything, this virus has brought this out more clearly. We see theme for what they are and more importantly, their goals for the future.  

The meid dictating terms to the president is undoubtedly going to become the supreme leader of this country one day. That's the day we'll see a complete collapse of our society.

I would strongly suggest that if you're young and able to escape this shithole ... do so ... today.

Don't allow your children to grow up here. Start a life elsewhere while you have time. For your children's sake.


 

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
26 May 2020, 11:42
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26 May 2020, 11:42#9

“ Posted by: CleanCut (9252 posts)

May 26, 2020, 09:08

Most folks in this country have no idea just how deep the rift is within the ANC ...  “

And it’s been coming for a long time. Back in the day, everything went through the Robben Island old boys. Nothing happened without their stamp of approval, including and especially the terrorist activities. Although they like to call it guerilla warfare. 

Yes, Mandela sanctioned the Church Street bombing straight from Robben Island, or Robin’s Island, as know nothing Sleepy Joe calls it. In those days there were infighting even within the UDF. The young ones within the UDF thought that they were the main men and wanted the power and were in no ways happy to toe the line for the Robben Island boys. The elders and leaders in the UDF understood the structures and “cause”. They adhered to the authority of the top dogs. 

Remember that it was decided that on the island that Thabo Mbeki was to be the crown prince. They would never have supported Zuma. Even though Ramaphosa gave it a shot to oppose them, deep down he knew that Mbeki was the chosen one. It did take a chat with Mathews Phosa to finally persuade him to back down but he knew. 

Yeah, you’re right. The divisions and fractions run deep and they have been there for decades. 

A split would have been interesting to watch. Not a rebellious break away like Malema and the EFF. A clear split between the major factions of the ANC. But that would probably never come to fruition because right at the top they want the same outcome. The rest is a power struggle to determine which faction has the power to control. 

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
27 May 2020, 08:35
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27 May 2020, 08:35#10

"But they hit the jackpot with the Wuhan Virus using fake stats and their media to whip up a frenzy."

Beeno, I do believe that not everything we hear and see is the real truth, and I also believe that along the way, certain stats may get distorted to a certain degree for many different intentional and unintentional reasons...…..but to deny what this virus is doing to t he people, in the numbers that it doing it... is honestly just plain stupid and ignorant.

Unless you are on the frontline, or know people directly on the frontline, you have absolutely zero idea what a monster this virus really is.


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 May 2020, 09:23
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27 May 2020, 09:23#11

 "To put it in a local context, the flu kills between 6 000 to 11 000 South Africans every year, according to the National Department of Health. About 50% of those deaths are among the elderly, and about 30% in HIV-infected people."


We have some way to get to those figures. Not saying we won't get there, but it puts the 500 odd deaths over the last 2 months into a slightly different perspective. 

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
27 May 2020, 09:53
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27 May 2020, 09:53#12

I say again

People who genuinely believe the conspiracy theories out there, that this virus is just to cause unnecessary panic amongst the public, or that there is nothing at all to be worried or concerned about, regarding this virus, are extremely naïve and completely ignorant to what is actually happening

Watch what happens in the next month alone..... never mind when we reach October - November

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 May 2020, 10:11
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27 May 2020, 10:11#13

Edit: error

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 May 2020, 13:51
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27 May 2020, 13:51#14
Hmmm . . . sounds like some of the Trumpanzees should watch this clip showing what the idiotic Trumpanzee morons from their most trusted news source said in the first half of March and what the same brainwashed suckers said subsequently . . .

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