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Remarkable results of Germany and France poll as to who is responsible for the Ukraine war.

Started by Beeno119 REPLIES850 VIEWS· 20 Aug 2023, 16:51
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Aug 2023, 16:51
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20 Aug 2023, 16:51#1

The poll showed that 60% of the German voters said either Nato, USA or Ukraine was responsible for the war.

The results in France were even stronger in this direction!

The polls were conducted by an anti Putin Pollster. 

The Globalist propaganda machines are failing again. 

Take a look.



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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
20 Aug 2023, 20:01
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20 Aug 2023, 20:01#2

Mmmmm....interesting.

So Beeno this guy knocks Trump too. He knocks all of NATO and their diabolical plans.

Weird I nearly ended up in Rostov on Don in 2015,but the vehicle had issues. Instead went via Vladikavkaz... lovely town. Very flat landscape but those steppes are mind boggling. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Aug 2023, 02:43
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21 Aug 2023, 02:43#3


Source: Bruegel based on Ifop (2023).


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Aug 2023, 02:54
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21 Aug 2023, 02:54#4

So we are supposed to believe the majority of French and German people believe the US or NATO started the war….but incredibly they still overwhelmingly support economic sanctions and sending arms.

Another fake poll debunked….stick with moz.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
21 Aug 2023, 03:21
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21 Aug 2023, 03:21#5

There hasn't been any answer on the NATO aggression topic,movement eastwards. America since the 2nd World War has taken over the defence/attack on Europe's behalf. 

The old days was a fight against Communism, today it's a globetrotting Yankee doodle crying shame. 



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2023, 05:58
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21 Aug 2023, 05:58#6

Given how the US led Nato instigated war is having severe economic consequences on the Germans who are now in recession and on France and given how these two countries both do not want a war with Russia it is clear your poll is fake news Mozzzzquito. 

Ordinary people want this war to stop. Globalist elites like you want it continue. It's that simple. 



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2023, 06:07
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21 Aug 2023, 06:07#7

Oaks please note that the Moz poll goes up to February 2023.

In all cases the trend line us down meaning a decrease in support for economic sanctions and sending arms to Ukraine.

War fatigue, economic hardship plus the growing realization that Russia is not guilty of instigating this war would mean that by August 2023 it's veryikely support would be below 50 percent.

Mozzzz obviously hoped we would take cognisance if the dates. For a guy who prides himself on being good at stats this is very dishonest.

Bwahahahahaha crash goes the Mozzzzquitoes yet again. 

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
21 Aug 2023, 06:11
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21 Aug 2023, 06:11#8

Another fake poll debunked

Nothing debunked. Liberal societies thrive on contradiction, liberal societies were started as slaver societies that declared the condition of non slave a universal human right.

Credit is given when due: liberals have managed to increase and install the level of docility and conformity in their societies.

Liberal populations are generally docile and conformistic.

The polls show a downward trend, this is the piece of information.

While a liberal russian vlogger makes money at depicting as surprising the imprisonment of a person preaching sedition  in a country at war, it must be reminded that Europe at the moment is unilaterally supportive of Ukraine, no political debate about the support, the free press hammers round the clock supporting views, arms deals are good for GDP and employment etc

In this context, docile and conformistic people changed their mind in a few months.

No politic personel to take advantage of it, no free press. Disjointed voices came from former politicians and non elected personal like NATO.

It may not last long, the sharp decline in Germany may be taken advantage by the far right rising star.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Aug 2023, 14:31
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21 Aug 2023, 14:31#9

Meanwhile in the US support for Ukraine remains solid:

The Reagan Institute Summer Survey, which polled 1,254 people online and over the phone in late May and early June, found that 76% of respondents felt a Ukrainian victory was important to the United States.

That belief was held most strongly by Democratic respondents, 86% of whom agreed that a Ukrainian victory was important, and least strongly by Independents, 58% of whom agreed. Among Republicans, 71% of all respondents agreed with that statement, but support was slightly softer among respondents who said they would vote for former President Trump in the primaries.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Aug 2023, 14:43
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21 Aug 2023, 14:43#10

Meanwhile a pan-EU poll published in June found this:

The EU’s support for Ukraine following Russia’s invasion of the country in February 2022 was cited as the bloc’s main accomplishment over the last mandate, with a 69% approval rating across the bloc. 

Support for the EU’s response to the war, which has seen a series of economic and political sanctions regimes imposed on Russia, along with billions of euros in humanitarian aid and military support to Kyiv, was highest in the Netherlands (90%), Sweden (87%), Finland (87%) and Ireland (87%). Respondents in Slovakia (45%) and Greece (48%) had the lowest satisfaction rates. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Aug 2023, 14:43
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21 Aug 2023, 14:43#11

Stick with moz.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Aug 2023, 14:59
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21 Aug 2023, 14:59#12

Mozart

Amazing - yet even in the USA reaction towards he war has begun being questioned by the ordinary voters.   The fact is that most Americans do get eppered by the media - but for the War they are fairly un interested since most p[eople do not even know where Ukraine is - they will h have serious  difficulty in identifying  it on a map of Europe - and the fact that the spending of billions to help Ukraine cause cuts in benefits for the poor and shortages and iflation resulting from the war si being  felt by people in the industrial heartland in the USA.

Governments providing assistance to Ukraine are falling and their replacements in elections is much less in support of Ukraine.     They  are beginning to pay lip service in support of Ukraine - but otherwise no more money.    The German coalition Government is teetering and their support has dropped drastically.   The Parties supporting the War in the coalition has dropped by over 20%.    The Greens is the strongest support of the Ukraine and is backmaiing the SCU to give more and more assistance to Ukraine.    The anti-War AfD party si aganist the war ands now he second strongest party n Germany.

The fact is that in the EU countries the voters fear  that Biden will start WW3 by becoming involved directly in a war with Russia and they want no part of it.    In fact Scholtz - the Chancellor - was told that at a number of meetings and tried to say something about a settlement will be found.   It may be that the UK and USA feel different on that issue - but on Continental Europe it is a huge no-no.  

I do not believe much in opinion polls - what is final is the choice of the voters.   The impact of the Ukraine War is just one issue that send support of political parties down the drain - the other being inflation, the open border policy of the EU .   So far the following Governments have  fallen  in elections:-

Sweden, Italy, Finland and Austria,

The Spanish Govrenment fell in the recent elections and the Ptime Minister has called for re-election to be held.   The Dutch coalition Government has broken apart and the Prime minister resigned and is leaving politics.   The main reasons for the fall are those already mentioned - but the final deathblow came when the  Dutch Government decided to potentially kill the dairy industry by starting to reduce cowfarming because cows through farting cause global warming.  The Dutch being the biggest exporter of Cheese in the world reacted badly against the new idea,    In recent elections the new rightwing party formed as a result of the cow-fighting decision  captured 28 of the 72 Upper House seats making it cvirtually impossile to get any election through the Dutch Parliamentary system,    The four parties in the Dutch coalition combined do not have 28 votes.    The upcoming election  is in November and will a bloodbath for the center left parties.   

By the way the whole EU system will fall apart if Biden starts a war directly against Russia.  European support for such a war will be non-existent       

          

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
21 Aug 2023, 15:27
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21 Aug 2023, 15:27#13

with a 69% approval rating across the bloc.

Somehow similar to the previous data.

It does not reflect the downwards trend. This is the capital piece of information.

Support in Europe is a one way matter, only people who support the war are given continuous access.

Despite this fabricated consensus, the table shows a decline.

At the moment, the war is not dealt as a partisan issue, it is led from a single party organization.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
22 Aug 2023, 07:56
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22 Aug 2023, 07:56#14

Continuation of the previous post

liberals use various strategies that rely on time consumption. They have no argument, fill with empty statements and it takes a while to go back to basics to undo the void.

Liberals have built very inequal societies and sell the idea that one person, one vote smoothen the inequalities.

One project, one hundred people, 3 billionaires, 6 hobbos. Billionaires favour the project, hobbos dont.

Result of the vote: 55 against. For simple minded people, only a fool believes that the billionaires have no leverage to offset the result of the vote and eventually get a new vote in the favour of the project.

That is one cause liberals love their average, in average, this or that.

Relying on an average to counter weight polls that display singular results is part of the trick.

Anyone who lives in Europe know that countries do not have the same weight.

If Germany was to decide against the support of the war, it would offset the irish, dutch, sweden, finnish support.

Liberals love their averages as they conceal huge discrepancies in power.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Aug 2023, 14:12
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22 Aug 2023, 14:12#15

Well said Mike. Quite amazing that one has to spell out basic facts to Mozzzz these days.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Aug 2023, 16:57
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22 Aug 2023, 16:57#16

Hahaha….Mike wouldn’t know a fact if it was a klipvis on his line. The US deficits are a concern, but long term budgets through 2033 show only a slight rise in deficits to GDP, easily controlled by ratcheting back defense spending.

The US economy remains the consumer engine that drives the global economy…..once again as China and Europe are floundering the U.S. is powering ahead. Nobody wants Ruble or Yuan or, even, less some mongrel currency based on some of the world’s most imbalanced economies.

The Afrikaner interlektuals (sic) love the Russians…but nuclear weapons aside, they are a pale shadow of the old Soviet Union….an economy smaller than Italy.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Aug 2023, 18:57
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22 Aug 2023, 18:57#17

All old mozzzz's polls are old polls. The tide has turned against the war. This trend will continue.

What sort of genocidal maniac thinks this proxy war instigated by Us led NATO should continue. The same sort that promotes the deadly jabs.

People are infuriated that $700 are being given to the suffering people in Hawiian fires BUT billions are sent to Ukraine. For elites Globalists like ou mozzzzzz its America last.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Aug 2023, 00:41
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23 Aug 2023, 00:41#18
Let’s suppose you are right…..what you are saying is people supported Ukraine on principle and then withdrew  support based on the pocket book. And that’s something to celebrate? Fortunately it’s not true,
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
24 Aug 2023, 06:40
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24 Aug 2023, 06:40#19

Suppose ther's not as much garbage in the press in these other languages,hence their btter understanding of the situation in Ukraine.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
24 Aug 2023, 15:34
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24 Aug 2023, 15:34#20

No, in Europe, the press unilaterally supports the war. The degradation of support is happening despite tremendous efforts to promote adhesion.

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