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Republicans make wild claims about the dangers of immigration. Here’s the truth

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Jan 2024, 06:10
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13 Jan 2024, 06:10#1

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/12/whats-wrong-with-republicans-immigration-claims

Robert Reich

Trump and his cronies are leaning into five splashy talking points about illegal immigration. But the facts are a bit different

Fri 12 Jan 2024 11.01 GMT

Trumpist Republicans are using the surge of illegal immigration at the southern border of the US, as well as a surge of migrants seeking legal asylum, to threaten a government shutdown and no added funds for Ukraine.

They’re using five lies to make their case.

1. They claim Biden doesn’t want to stem illegal immigration and has created an “open border”.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jan 2024, 06:18
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13 Jan 2024, 06:18#2

That's just spin...the Yanks have a serious problem...millions are streaming in.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Jan 2024, 07:38
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13 Jan 2024, 07:38#3

bollocks .............. itsa truth, the whole truth .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jan 2024, 08:01
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13 Jan 2024, 08:01#4

H ave  you not learned yet that The Guardian specialize in BS and lies.    Look at the numbers entering  the USA - ie over 8 million people entering the USA since Biden took over - and of those 7 million was asked for their names and released into the USA  without any checks .   A million entered without reporting  to anybody - when the border guards were busy handling up to 10 000 people per day taking down their names and serving sandwishes to them - another 1000 would cross the border at ungaurded spots smuggling in drugs,terrorits and criminals into the country.   

The Guardian knows  the USA voters  are in uproar about the issue and rebelling against the Government spending  billions per mmnth to accommodate  and for health care of the imigrants - they do fuck-all.   Why they are serving  meals to the migrats there are 49 million people  suffering from food security problems in the USA.

By the way only 26% of the voters according to opinion polls believe the  Biden  Border Policy is correct  - that is how bad the situation really is - so The  Guardian had to take up and lthe matter to quiten similar snetiments in the UK..        .   .      .   


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Jan 2024, 08:40
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13 Jan 2024, 08:40#5

Suck it up .................. you're wrong, Reich's right.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Jan 2024, 09:46
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13 Jan 2024, 09:46#6

Can poor Blobbie get dumber. The clown seems blissfully unaware demonrats are complaining about this massive inflow of invaders. The joke is the leaders of so called sanctuary cities and states are complaining. Blacks etc are furious and vowing to quit voting demonrat.

Children are being taken out of schools to accomodate the invaders

I bet ou blobbie has no clue why the invasion of the USA is a problem. 

The poll I saw said 80 percent of America are opposed to Open Borders. You have to be a wacked out loon like ou Blobbrain to support it!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jan 2024, 09:52
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13 Jan 2024, 09:52#7

Reich provided no evidence - he merely repeat th e Biden claims - and ymou are stupid enough t o believe it.    The main problem is that Bide3n declared that everybody is welcome4 to enter the US A and so 8 million peoeple entered.   They are now ending  up in cities all over the USA  and  how did they pass  into the USA?

*    More than 7 million people passed through the border. and all of them were just ask for their names and goiven sandwich es and other food - af ter wh ich they were released into the USA.  They were asked no questions and backgrouind checks were not made on whether they are refugees or not.     

*    According to the lists provided there are people from 110 counties worldwide that went to Mexico and  were then bym the cartels helped to enter the USA.

*    The UJSA laws on entry the countrym are broken and it is a free for all.

*     Biden did not ask for money for more border guards - he asked for money to assist cities now struggling with accommodation for the 8 million new people and to provide allowances and meals, as well as covring medical and education costs for the migrants.   The Republicans saqid the prolem must be stopped at the border -  Biden ahs to close the border or there will be no funding for Ukraine.

*     The claim that the drugs came through  offic ial pioinbts of entry is total BS - what actually h appened is that the huge migrant crowds drew the border guards to specific points and the other 1 million people entered the USA through other places where there are no guards and that is where the  drug  smuggling and other criminal activities occur.

The real problem is that according to opinion polls only 26% of the US viters beleive the BS spread by The  Guiardian - there are tons of docuented proof that the Guardian report is total BS.

So what si the real problem in this case.    Biden wanted Cong ress to appove a $26 bilion grant for Ukraine and $15 billion to re0imburse citiies where the migrants ends up.   The Reopublicans are basically against the further funding of Ukraine - 62% of th e US voters are against that one - basically because they are fed BS about what is really happening in Ukraine and the Republicans said - no money for Ukraine unless the Biden Administration stop the border crossings - in December alone there were 320 000  recorded crossings with the weekly income the  Cartels  collected  being set  at  $35 million a week. 

The key was that the Republicans give Biden an ultimatum  - close the border or no more money for Ukraine.    That obviously upset  The Guiradian.   Because the Biden A dministration is lying about what really happened and claimed there is no open boder policy The Guardian followed suit in lying as well.    

How the hell what is in that article can be beileved by thinking people is impossible - but brainwashed idiots believe everything presented to them. by of all newspaper the Guardian.      .        

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AJHPro3,183 posts
13 Jan 2024, 14:32
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13 Jan 2024, 14:32#8

Well RSA should at least thank NZ for letting blobbok in.

What a winner!

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
13 Jan 2024, 14:45
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13 Jan 2024, 14:45#9
Democrats do not benefit politically by letting in so many illegal refugees. The Democratic consensus is that the majority see it as a problem. The taxpayer is funding this. 

If Biden had done something this year to try to solve the problem - his ratings would improve.

The problem worsened during Trump's term (compared to Obama's) - and continued to worsen under Biden.

Borders are legal entities, so if someone wants asylum they should apply - not just show up.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jan 2024, 06:38
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14 Jan 2024, 06:38#10

I spoke to someone from Montana recently. He says they've got radio adverts asking illegal immigrants to leave...also said it's a visible problem in the Southern border states...particularly in Texas...I know it's hearsay and opinion...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jan 2024, 08:27
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14 Jan 2024, 08:27#11
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You are wrong - the pr/oblem starbted under Obama and that si a dfaqct as well - i.t was a major problem by 2016 and that was one of the reaons why Clinton lost  the election that year.    The numbers came down under Trump due to an agreement with the Mexican Government to keep the migrants in Mexico.    The result waas that the Me3xican Government closed their own borders  and did not a;llow migrants tinto Mexico.    By 2020 their were only 65 000 contacts with migrants and most of th emn were sent back to th ei country of originn.
Biden scrapped that agreement and the numbers went up drastically.   The new Mexican Government has close links to the Mexican cartels and when Biden opened the border the floods  into Mexico and from there intio the USA started.   The Cartels now make more money from human trafficking than they ma de from drug-smuggling.    .     
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Jan 2024, 00:03
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20 Jan 2024, 00:03#12

Trumpist Republicans are using the surge of illegal immigration at the southern border of the US, as well as a surge of migrants seeking legal asylum, to threaten a government shutdown and no added funds for Ukraine.

They’re using five lies to make their case.

1. They claim Biden doesn’t want to stem illegal immigration and has created an “open border”.

Rubbish. Since he took office, Biden has consistently asked for additional funding for border control.

Republicans have just as consistently refused. They’re voting to cut Customs and Border Protection funding in spending bills and blocking passage of Biden’s $106bn national security supplemental that includes border funding.

Is the fever of Trumpism starting to break?Robert ReichRead more

2. They blame the drug crisis on illegal immigration.

Last Wednesday, at the southern border in Texas, the Republican House speaker, Mike Johnson, claimed that “America is at a breaking point with record levels of illegal immigration. We have lethal drugs that are pouring into our country at record levels.”

Rubbish. While large amounts of fentanyl and other deadly drugs have been flowing into the United States from Mexico, 90% arrives through official ports of entry, not via immigrants illegally crossing the border. In fact, research by the Cato Institute found that more than 86% of the people convicted of trafficking fentanyl across the border in 2021 were US citizens.

3. They claim that undocumented immigrants are terrorists.

Johnson also charged that “312 suspects on the terrorist watch list that have been apprehended – we have no idea how many terrorists have come into the country and set up terrorism cells across the nation.”

Baloney. America’s southern border has not been an entry point for terrorists. For almost a half century, no American has been killed or injured in a terrorist attack in the United States that involved someone who crossed the border illegally.

ohnson’s number comes from government data showing that from October 2020 to November 2023, 312 migrants – out of more than 6.2 million who crossed the southern border during these years – matched names on the terrorist watch list.

It’s unclear how many were actual matches and whether the FBI considered them national security threats (the watch list includes family relations of terrorist suspects, many of whom are not considered to be involved in terrorist activity).

4. They say undocumented immigrants are stealing American jobs.

Nonsense. Evidence shows immigrants are not taking jobs that American workers want.

And the surge across the border is not increasing unemployment. Far from it: unemployment has been below 4% for roughly two years, far lower than the long-term average rate of 5.71%. It’s now at 3.7%.

5. They claim undocumented immigrants are responsible for more crime in the US.

More baloney. In fact, a 2020 study by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, cited by the Department of Justice, showed that undocumented immigrants have “substantially” lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants.

Similarly, a recently published study in the American Economic Journal – analyzing official data from 2008 to 2017 on immigration, homicide and victimization surveys – found “null effects” on crime from immigration.

Trump is now moving into full-throttled neofascism, using the actual rhetoric of Hitler to attack immigrants

Notwithstanding the recent surge in illegal immigration, the US homicide rate has fallen nearly 13% since 2022 – the largest decrease on record. Local law enforcement agencies are also reporting drops in violent crime.

Who’s really behind these lies?

Since he entered politics, Donald Trump has fanned nativist fears and bigotry.

He’s now moving into full-throttled neofascism, using the actual rhetoric of Hitler to attack immigrants – charging that undocumented immigrants are “poisoning the blood of our country” and saying they’re “like a military invasion. Drugs, criminals, gang members and terrorists are pouring into our country at record levels. We’ve never seen anything like it. They’re taking over our cities.”

He promises to use the US military to round up undocumented immigrants and put them into “camps”. That demagoguery is being echoed by Trump lackeys to generate fear and put Biden on the defensive.

Does the US need to address the border situation? Yes – which Biden is trying to do. But we need to do so in a way that treats migrants as humans, not political pawns.

Trump and his enablers want Americans to forget that almost all of us are the descendants of immigrants who fled persecution, or were brought to the US under duress, or simply sought better lives for themselves and their descendants.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jan 2024, 05:12
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20 Jan 2024, 05:12#13

BB

Where did you get the above BS from?    

Biden has NOT asked for the moneym to get more border guards - he asked for money to pay to cities where migrants have  gone to for housing ffeeding, and paying  allownces to migrants.

Listen BB - you are quoting  from a person who wants to believe h is own  BS  bd from one fo the most unbelievvable BS spreaders ever.     In any event the story is total misrepresentastion of what is really ahppening in the USA.    

The border is OPEN with  people jsut walki.ng  over, their names are just taken down and then they are released itnto the country without any checks whatsoever.    Thtat effectively means the borde is in fac OPE

It is a dangerous situation in cities in the USA and is going  to cost the Democrats badly in the upcoming election 47% of the people in an opinion poll said that the biggest internal problthe USA faces are illegal migration.   The other 53 % said oth er sh irtt caused by the BS  causing the disaster the US A became under Biden, like food inflation putting 49 million pople on food insecurity.in the country, the ultraq-leftist approach causing crime rates going through the ceiling, shortages of goods and spending  borrowd money to fund pet projects in which BILLIONS are causing  chaos in th e USA.

Everything Biden touched has turned into shit - so that professor is an ultra-leftist supporting BS.   I>t i.s dangerous for peopl  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jan 2024, 05:12
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20 Jan 2024, 05:12#14

Duplication

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jan 2024, 05:12
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20 Jan 2024, 05:12#15

Dupli.cation

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Jan 2024, 05:20
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20 Jan 2024, 05:20#16

ouMaaik,  you're (lets call it )  .....................  "Minsking", again & again.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jan 2024, 23:21
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20 Jan 2024, 23:21#17

BB

Still no answer?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jan 2024, 23:21
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20 Jan 2024, 23:21#18

 Duplication

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Jan 2024, 00:26
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21 Jan 2024, 00:26#19

ouMaaik, unlike you I try to always name my sources

Yours ............ RTnews   GAB   Gateway   Fox   Fox   Fox

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jan 2024, 00:39
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21 Jan 2024, 00:39#20
Sorry
I know ymou, are addicted to the Guardian - the bi gest crap-writer in the World.   What I do take note of more is actual discussions in the House and in the Senate.   You can get a lot of it on Forbes.   
Majorkas is going  to be impeached .for breaking  the 1996 US Law on Immigration and a score of other issues.   Lets see  how that happens.   The D emocrats are raising all the arguments you made above against anym action being  taken on that one - they support the Open Boder Policy of Biden all out,    
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Jan 2024, 00:54
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21 Jan 2024, 00:54#21

https://www.meidastouch.com/news/biden-urges-house-republicans-to-act-on-border

Biden Urges House Republicans to Act on Border"They have to choose on whether they want to solve a problem or keep weaponizing an issue to score political points," said the President.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Jan 2024, 00:56
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21 Jan 2024, 00:56#22

On Friday, President Joe Biden went on the offense and reiterated his call for urgent action on the broken immigration system, emphasizing the need for comprehensive immigration reform. The President, who noted he has been vocal about the challenges at the border since his first day in office, urged House Republicans to join him and their counterparts in the United States Senate in finding a solution to the ongoing crisis.

Smo ke em Joe

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jan 2024, 02:00
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21 Jan 2024, 02:00#23

Biden sudenly realize that what si going on is totally unaccetpable to the US Voters.   He is absolutely not telling  the truth here- he wanted extra money to paym the cities to cover the cost of the illegal mirgrants.    Can he be trusted to implement anything of substance in thisc ase?\

I would say he is not going to get away from the issue that easily - he created a problem and nolw 10  months before election day he  is going to change anything?    The fact is he turned the migrant issue into BS and is now trying to bluff people that he is going to do something about it.   Remember his l;ast promse in  that regard was to appoint VP Harris to take over control of the issue and she did nothing  in three years since then.    

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