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Russia; We have the same GDP as New York...

Started by bobbok...13 REPLIES2,492 VIEWS· 28 Jul 2023, 06:02
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Jul 2023, 06:02
#1
28 Jul 2023, 06:02#1

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Jul 2023, 06:12
#2
28 Jul 2023, 06:12#2

Wow!!! They're scared to speak their mind.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Jul 2023, 06:29
#3
28 Jul 2023, 06:29#3

Fascinating watching the mental gymnastics ................. I wouldn't say a word

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
28 Jul 2023, 06:45
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28 Jul 2023, 06:45#4

From what what was watched, people are going to be eaten alive once Russia is liberated.

They have very few clues about the way a liberal economy works.

Which is basically a non problem as liberals will focus on people for whom liberation of Russia works and ignore people for whom it fails.

Ironically, the pretty damned reviled oligarchs are going to be on the list of people who benefit and no, corruption will not go down.

Corruption has no meaning in a liberal society. Liberals can not even answer the question

Thomas Jefferson, corrupted or not.

People who are considered corrupted now in Russia will no longer be once Russia is liberated.

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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Jul 2023, 07:56
#5
28 Jul 2023, 07:56#5

USA 2022 GDP 25.46 Trillion

Fed Debt 31.5 Trillion

Not a healthy state of affairs.

Just print money...LOL

Better to have a lower GDP and be flush with more real assets and resource potential.

False delusion.


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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Jul 2023, 11:11
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28 Jul 2023, 11:11#6

What does it mean when US GDP in 2022 was 25,46 trillion and Federal Dept was 31.5 trillion. Now it's 34 trillion...keep on printing money...LOL

The higher the debt-to-GDP ratio, the less likely the country will pay back its debt and the higher its risk of default, which could cause a financial panic in the domestic and international markets.

Now we are going to have a multi-polar world and it will free under developing countries with had been retarded by sanctions and internal interference and theft of weaker countries resources, huge untapped resources.

Free trade without slavery to US petro dollar and the ability to trade in own currency.

Not every country wants a superficial democracy like the present US one, they see a hypocrite that is divided.

They want to CHOOSE they own way that preserves their culture and traditions.

No country has the right to interfere...it's their country and it's absolutely none of any other countries business as long as they don't interfere with yours.

It's the same type of mentality of the "school bully" or the Mafia hood.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jul 2023, 12:40
#7
28 Jul 2023, 12:40#7

No country has the right ton interfere…spot on Chabal….no country has the right to interfere in Ukraine. 

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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Jul 2023, 13:15
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28 Jul 2023, 13:15#8

"No country has the right to interfere...it's their country and it's absolutely none of any other countries business as long as they don't interfere with yours."

Don't Gippo it out of context.

Minsk Agreements stated that Donetsk and Lugansk Republics remain Russian as the majority in these regions are Russian speaking nationals but since 2014/15 to Feb 2022 they were constantly shelled and attacked by far right nationals, Azov etc.

NO THAT IS TRUE. No matter what CRAP and LIES are spread by Western Narratives using the media. I've heard it from trustful contacts who live and have lived there. So no matter what anybody spouts LIES about it is empty and lies of worst kind. We know about the disgusting LIES about Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, that were concocted and there are others like Libya, Vietnam and Yugoslavia.

 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
28 Jul 2023, 13:32
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28 Jul 2023, 13:32#9

Minsk Agreements stated that Donetsk and Lugansk Republics remain Russian as the majority in these regions are Russian speaking nationals but since 2014/15 to Feb 2022 they were constantly shelled and attacked by far right nationals, Azov etc.

Lies.

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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Jul 2023, 14:21
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28 Jul 2023, 14:21#10

NO you spout lies, slippery eel.


Minsk II

 

Representatives of Russia, Ukraine, the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and the leaders of separatist-held regions Donetsk and Luhansk signed a 13-point agreement in February 2015.

 

The leaders of France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine gathered in Minsk to mark the occasion and issued a declaration of support.

 

The deal’s 13 points were:

 

    Immediate, comprehensive ceasefire.

    Withdrawal of heavy weapons by both sides.

    OSCE monitoring.

    Dialogue on interim self-government for Donetsk and Luhansk, in accordance with Ukrainian law, and acknowledgement of special status by parliament.

    Pardon, amnesty for fighters.

    Exchange of hostages, prisoners.

    Humanitarian assistance.

    Resumption of socioeconomic ties, including pensions.

    Ukraine to restore control of state border.

    Withdrawal of foreign armed formations, military equipment, mercenaries.

    Constitutional reform in Ukraine including decentralisation, with specific mention of Donetsk and Luhansk.

    Elections in Donetsk and Luhansk.

    Intensify Trilateral Contact Group’s work including representatives of Russia, Ukraine and OSCE.

 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
28 Jul 2023, 14:43
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28 Jul 2023, 14:43#11

NO you spout lies, slippery eel.

The 3 points you highlighted do not state Donetsk and Luhansk where to remain Russian, merely to open an dialogue that could possibly lead to greater self government for the regions. Explain this to me if those regions where to "remain Russian"  they would have had to have been part of Russia or at least claimed by Russia at that time. If they where already part of Russia why was a referendum on joining Russia only held last year?

I noticed you didn't highlight  the withdrawal of foreign armed formations, military equipment, mercenaries. I wonder why?

Likewise the claim of constant shelling from 2014-2022 is another Russian lie that grossly distorts the truth by methods of exaggeration and omission.


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
28 Jul 2023, 15:42
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28 Jul 2023, 15:42#12

The higher the debt-to-GDP ratio, the less likely the country will pay back its debt and the higher its risk of default, which could cause a financial panic in the domestic and international markets.

That is a litany invented by liberals that has no ground in reality. Liberals invented it to conceal their double standards: debt do not matter for certain countries while debt is used to crush other countries and extract as much wealth as possible.

There is no market that is independent from any point of the globe, no central  bank  not dependent on a country. It does not exist. Yet liberals claim it exists.

The whole liberal litany is empty. The FED is not an independent institution, the US do not borrow from an independent institution.

The FED does not exist without the US. The FED will never do anything that could jeopardize the existence of the US.

The FED will not nuke the US. Wall Street will not nuke the US. They are not independent.

If the US sink, they sink with the US.

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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Jul 2023, 16:09
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28 Jul 2023, 16:09#13

On second thoughts Stav, perhaps I was too harsh, I don't really think you are as deceptive as ol' Mozquito ( even him on reflections is not a bad man) however I get really pissed off by the deceit that people have today, they follow the mainstream, which I find so subtlety deceptive and very destructive...it screws everybody up.

There was a simple song, that the Cape Coloureds used to like, called "Understanding is the best thing in the World (in life), although it does not directly relate to other situations in life and relates to a boy and a girl, in a symbolic sense it relates to different people, classes, races, nations and personalities.

That's why we basically have conflicts, we are all human, opposites oppose each other, that's natural. But selfishness and ego and distrust comes in between. Understanding and honesty is lacking.

None of you understand Russian (or Ukrainian) people, the riff comes in from evil hegemonic control freak and greedy hegemons who seek their lusts for power and wealth at the pawns expense.  

The Minsk agreements and negotiations are in essence simple, but because of misunderstanding and  distrust nobody connects...it sometimes takes some time to understand how people interact.

The West did screw up badly with Minsk to be honest, their intentions were ill-gotten gains in control, and material wealth exploitation..

This an account that the West sees, it is basically factual but tainted by bias, prejudice and subtle distortions and basically the lack of understanding the opposing views and ways of the foreigners to the west.

Leaked Kremlin emails show Minsk protocol designed as path to Ukraine’s capitulation - Euromaidan Press report - Euromaidan Press

PS This is NOT to believe fully too because of differences in understanding the people on the other side. Let people resolve their own issues themselves in the ways they have always done.

It simply NONE of our business. Rather focus in getting your own house in order. The interfering syndrome...very ugly part of human foibles.


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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Jul 2023, 16:51
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28 Jul 2023, 16:51#14

Dear ol' Ray Charles...Understanding, the key to livability between people, RESPECT

https://youtu.be/eVXBDBB-GfM

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