So erm.....

what value the sympathy vote? Perhaps a 10-15% swing in favour of the Donald?

Nope. Those who hate him are hoping he dies and those who see his value are supporting him anyway, no sympathy involved...and it seems like there are very few neutrals on the issue of Trump. Maybe the few neutrals that there are will wake up and start wondering about why there is a constant barrage against Trump...24/7 hate fest since he made his intention to run for the presidency known more than 5 years ago.

Here's the thing......if he's made America great again, why aren't the polls favoring him? It doesn't make sense for anyone to hate the POTUS whose done wonders for his country eg jobs, the wall, taxes, pulling back on tariffs? Trump vs Biden as I've always believed should be a no contest yet we all know it's not. 

Riddle me that.

Lol Denny

Do you seriously not know the answer to that question of yours?

It's kind of a question that answers itself quite concisely. 

On cue as per normal. Why don't you just F'off you attention seeking moron. 

haha Denny

Why so angry?

I'm answering your question tit.

If you want to know why Trump's approval rating has not skyrocketed then there is one specific situation and the reporting of it that you could look at as a microcosm. And it will, granted some brainpower is involved, provide you an exact answer to your question.

The case of the Covington kids.

Look at how the incident was reported on relative to what actually occurred. All the lies, omissions and then finally how "Trump's America" was implicated.

Here, i'll lay it out for you...

A group of teenagers are racially abused by a group of grown-up black men.

The kids, wearing MAGA hats, respond simply by singing a school warcry.

An American Indian walks directly into the crowd of school kids.

At no point do the kids attack, threaten or even insult the man.

He proceeds to beat a drum and sing a chant in the face of one particular kid.

The kid responds simply by maintaining eye contact and smiling.

Those are the facts. The same facts that were available in their entirety to every leftist media group, at outset, that reported on the incident.

But now let's look at how it was reported one...

1) The first part of the video, showing racial abuse of children by adults was completely cut from the video.

2) Lies were told about how the kids racially abused the poor Indian fellow.

3) Nick Sandman was painted as being the face of fascism and racism.

4) Further leis were told about how the kids were using white supremacist hand gestures, thus confirming their racist intentions.

5) Adult celebrities called for the doxing of the children and their expulsion from the school.

6) Trump's racist America was blamed as creating the conditions where all of this could occur.

7) Therefore, Trump was ultimately to blame for this.

The perfect microcosm that shows you, in so many ways, exactly the tactics that are being used to create a poor public opinion of Trump even though a) the kids were not racist at all and b) Trump had nothing to do with the situation.

Did I ask for your bible reading response Huh? 

Hard to believe the fixation you have with me, the attention you crave off me, for the umpteenth time I don't care a rat's fart about what a P edophile, Poofter and Drug addict has to say.

Are we clear? Probably not.

Here.....hope this penetrates your thick arrogant skin

What's wrong Denny?

Did your rhetorical question not work out so well for you?

Careful now, I might resort to your tactics too. And we both know your fragile one-trick personality wouldn't hold up to scrutiny,  never mind attack.

Let's see...So you gonna tell us which posters you were gossiping about via email while preten ding to be mates with on here?

Now what's the word for someone like that again?

On the tip of my tongue but I just can't think of it.

Cumon, help me out...

Trying to scare me now huh?...Low Life. Don't threaten me........go ahead and post up what you call "gossip"......go for it!

I'm shivering, shivering with fear.

I'm just wondering if you'd be brave enough to admit which posters you gossip about while pretending to be their friend here.

Remember how when I cottoned on and made just the vaguest of references to it, you simply vanished?

Threatening you would be a waste of my time. You're already plenty scared...of yourself own shadow. 

"Here's the thing......if he's made America great again, why aren't the polls favoring him?"

I will give you a very small example Denny

Cher

Katy Perry

Olivia Munn

Billy Eichner

Rosie O' Donnell

Rob Reiner

Barry Jenkins

Beth Behrs

Molly Ringwald

These very well known Hollywood stars and celebrities used their many social media platforms...... talking directly to millions of their people.... to directly blame Trump for the racist attack on Jussie Smollett from a while ago.... they specifically blamed Trump for this racist attack

Various mayors and other high level politicians also used their own platforms to target and blame Trump for this same vile race hate attack to their own millions of followers....

But you see.....  there was never any attack...… it was fabricated......Smollett is as guilty as hell, and the two guys involved in the so called "attack" came clean

Smollett was about to lose his part in his tv series, so decided to create an awareness and make himself more current and relevant to the American public..... much like Piss Mint does on here when he proclaims that he is genuinely "Honest".... but most of us see through the bullshit

This is precisely why it is despicable that people use their own platforms to promote and put forth entirely false information and lies to the masses

This happens every single day to Trump, the severity just varies

I strongly dislike the man but I wish him a speedy recovery. I don't believe for a second this is a ploy for the sympathy vote. Trump likes to project a strongman image, chasing the sympathy vote is simply not his style.

Trump is not a head in the polls because more American's think he's doing a bad job than a good job as it stands. You will get different reasons why this is depending on if you ask a supporter of a Trump or an opponent of him. I think most people on this forum have already made their minds up on him and wont' be changed either way.  

Denny, life lesson incoming...

When you say "Listen up..."

It has the opposite effect to what you think it does.

It says people don't generally listen to me but if I order them to then perhaps they may.

To the reader, it says...why should I listen to this person that people normally don't listen to?

DA

No offence intended but I'm tired of hearing that it's everyone else but Trump. Surely somewhere along the way he's brought some of it on himself, if not all of it.

If you up for a matured debate so am I. My experience thus far has been dishonesty and it's the main reason I don't bother these days. 

I'm a neutral, stayed in his hotel when he was running for POTUS. And BTW, it's the one in Vegas, best I've ever I've stayed in, should I visit Vegas again then bet your bottom dollar I'll stay there again. 

So no I don't hate him and I don't mind a bit of larrikin but to me he is fake, it's all about him, and his handling of the pandemic has been appalling. When asked how he rates his handling of the pandemic he said I give myself an A1+

That my friend is BS.

That's strange Denny, I gave you a perfect answer via a concise example and you began acting immature and dishonestly dodged the debate.

haha

@Stav

"Trump is not a head in the polls because more American's think he's doing a bad job than a good job as it stands."

The answer might be as simple as the above after the votes have been counted......that's when the people have spoken.

Star

My mind isn't made up about Trump. It can't be, I don't know him.

What my mind is made up about is all the lies the media have told about him. Because those are tangible and proven. 

And then there is the overarching question. Why?

As aunty Dennie points out, he's had great results as president, so should the media not be supporting him? Last I checked, creating jobs and a strong economy with a focus on improving citizen's lives were all good things. Very good things that are easy to demonstrate and take no research to understand the benefits of.

And let's not pretend that mainstream media were supporting Trump until the pandemic came along. Their reporting on Trump's Covid response has been directly in line with ALL their reporting on any and everything he had done until early this year.

As Moz has pointed out numerous times, where are the legacy media outlets calling out the blatant and obvious failures of deM mayors and governors as concerns Covid?  

Why did CNN choose to twist the Sandman situation into a story about Trump's racist America?

As you look at the countless examples of media bias, lies and political shenanigans across the board, any reasonable person should be asking why this is happening.

And if you believe that it is simply because Trump is so unlikeable then you'll probably believe anything.

Watch the video below and tell me Nunes is lying or presenting false information. He's not. He's simply summarising all th e unjustified and often illegal attacks on Trump by the demS. And CNN with all their pals were supporting all of this all the way. No twitteR accounts got suspended and no facebooK account got shut down for helping to spread any of the lies Nunes mentions here.

So...Why???

Plum

Why don't rack off this blog Huh? No-one has asked for your opinion but still you persist.....it's embarrassing. 

Actually, I know why........you just can't help for your attention seeking and self importance.

And oh,  your "debating" skills are pathetic.

Oh aunty Denny,

You seem really butthurt.

I'd suggest a good cream. 

Unfortunately, there's no man, born from his mother, that's invented a cream good enough to cure what ails you, aunty.

Butthurt Huh?

Yeah, I believe you, why wouldn't I if it's coming from someone with your experience. 

Isn't that what your pally Clean Cut called you....a poo dipper? 

Haha seems your drab "give-no-fks-o'meter" is broken...aunty.

You'll note that my debating skills are so poor that they frightened you into totally abandoning your poorly formed rhetorical question and resorting immediately to asking me to "f'off".

Wounded creatures tend to lash out.

No surprises there.

"DA

No offence intended but I'm tired of hearing that it's everyone else but Trump. Surely somewhere along the way he's brought some of it on himself, if not all of it"

Denny, you may have missed some of my previous posts, where I have said that Trump is no angel, and I also called him a moron and a dick...… I openly said that about the man.

I am not a massive Trump supporter, never have been, which I stated from day one when he ran for president, but I have to look at what he has done for the American people, compared to "yes man" Obama and that skank Hilary, who is more dishonest and wicked than even our own ANC fuck ups this side...… Hilary is a dangerous woman..... very dangerous.... and her and Bill have made illegal millions from his presidency.... and so did Bush and Obama...…. not Trump.

Don't for one second think I don't see the negatives of Trump, because I always have, and I have openly pointed it out on this forum as well..... I do however see far more positives that T rump has accomplished than others preceding him.

As for the pandemic, Trump made a massive and monumental move to close all contact with China, and he was castigated all around the world for doing it..... now imagine if just that decision was reversed and he had refused to do that and left it open another month?

He gets lambasted for calling it the "China virus"...… well I have no idea what else to call it..... it was created from something there in China, and it originated from there in China and spread to the rest of the entire world...… why not just call it what it is then....?

"As for the pandemic, Trump made a massive and monumental move to close all contact with China, and he was castigated all around the world for doing it..... now imagine if just that decision was reversed and he had refused to do that and left it open another month?"

He didn't close all contact with China. He put travel restrictions on China but not a total ban. By the time he implemented the travel restriction some 400,000 people had traveled to America from China and additional 40,000 came after the travel restrictions where put in place. Some of the early cases of Covid 19 came in on those flights and from flights from Europe.

When you say all round the world, outside of political opposition in America who castigated him over the travel restrictions?

So say he hadn't introduced travel restrictions. Its likely the number of cases and death in American due to Covid-19 would be higher. However politically he would be covered as all he would have to say is that he was following WHO guidelines. The issue his critics have is that regardless of when the virus arrived in America his handling of it since then has been absolutely disastrous.

Trump was right to introduce travel restrictions from China to America. It slowed but did not stop the arrival of Covid-19 to America. The WHO guidelines not to introduce travel restrictions where based on experience with previous pandemics but as events would prove, incorrect for this pandemic. So Trump turned out to be right, that's fair enough and supporters of him can point that out.

The issue is with how Trump supporters exaggerate how effective it was. First they portray it as a total travel ban. Then they claim it saved millions of lives without any evidence to back that up.

The rest of the world looks on just says, okay so you introduced travel restrictions, so did other countries and some of them where much more strict than America's, what else? Its how badly America did after Covid arrived on its shore why the rest of the world looks on in horror as America the worlds richest and most powerful country seems to have got it so wrong.

Not enough testing was carried out in the first few months of the pandemic, not enough restrictions where put in place, and what restrictions where put in place were lifted too early, resulting in the virus running rampant across the states.  Sure Trump doesn't control how individual states handled the virus and I'm sure lots of other people can take a share of the blame including democratic mayors, but Trump could of put an emphasis on implementing restrictions and guided the states and the people of American in a certain way, instead of constantly playing it down, squabbling with his health advisers, sending out confused and mixed message as well as just crackpot suggestions and giving his support base an excuse to just pretend its all a hoax or massively exaggerated. Of course you have to balance public health and the economy, but no one outside of his support base thinks he got it right and far too much emphasis is being placed on the economy at the expense of human life.

In addition to his sh*tshow leadership he's actually a hindrance in fighting Covid 19 world wide. He's de-funded the WHO on pretty much bullshit grounds and a study by Cornell University has found him to be the biggest single source of misinformation on Covid 19.

He gets lambasted for calling it the "China virus"...… well I have no idea what else to call it..... it was created from something there in China, and it originated from there in China and spread to the rest of the entire world...… why not just call it what it is then....?

And rightly so.

How about calling by its actual name Covid 19?

The name was chosen to avoid stigmatizing a country/ethnic groups.

Predictably since the Covid 19 pandemic many countries have reported a rise in racism and hate crimes against Chinese people and also against people who look Asian and  are being mistaken as Chinese. Referring to Covid 19 as the China virus has no doubt been a contributing factor in this rise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_xenophobia_and_racism_related_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

You simply don’t understand the American system....restrictions are placed locally. Our beach was closed by the mayor of our small town, not the governor, not the president.

The issues the President has control over include the borders, the economy and  national resources. He also can advise governors and help them gather the  resources they need.

He did a good job at all those things. The other role of the national government is exercised through the Health Agencies. Unfortunately these institutions were wrong, confused, slow to react, poor on the data and political. Their incompetence reflected on Trump but they were mostly led by long term Democrats.

If Trump did much more some local judge would have issued a ‘stay order’.

Stav, I just finished posting a long detailed response to your questions and fuck all posted, I lost it all

Sorry, I am not typing it all out again

In short, I agreed with your complete ban comment, because obviously there were exemptions made which I was not going to get into and list, purely because there were too numerous to mention, as with any national crisis, or state of emergency, there will always be special restrictions, reservations or exemptions made

I also tried quoting Dr Fauci who himself said,  

“We prevented travel from China to the United States. If we had not done that, we would have had many, many more cases right here that we would have to be dealing with.”

No, I do not know how many lives it would have saved doing this.... but yes, I do know that it did save lives..... if he had delayed it for another month or two...… fact

I also tried to post the actual suspension of entry that Trump implemented, but nothing happened

I will try again here

Proclamation of suspension of entry

Plum you have really upset Denny.

Please hold back awhile so that he can gather up some additional BS in an attempt to save face.

mozart you have made it clear to all reasonable folks on this forum as to what PDT has done for America but alas it is not what they wish to hear.

If PDT does not get reelected America will erupt and the South African issues will be pale compared to what will take place.

Save the USA ......

FOUR MORE YEARS.

"You simply don’t understand the American system....restrictions are placed locally. Our beach was closed by the mayor of our small town, not the governor, not the president.

The issues the President has control over include the borders, the economy and  national resources. He also can advise governors and help them gather the  resources they need."

What you say about restrictions are locally based may be true but Trump should be showing leadership on the matter. He should not be pressuring states to open up too early, not contradicting the medical advice he's given or pushing unproven medical treatments, not downplaying the seriousness of the situation or telling people its going just go away, not scape goating WHO and defunding it, not setting a bad example with his general refusal to wear a face mask and even mocking people for wearing it etc etc. He has also been criticized by states for not assisting where it was his remit, for example helping with international supply chains when they where trying to source medical supplies.

@Devils Advocate

Don't worry about it, I know what it feels like, its happened to me several times on this forum.

No, I do not know how many lives it would have saved doing this.... but yes, I do know that it did save lives..... if he had delayed it for another month or two...… fact"

Yes it did undoubtably save lives not disputing that, but we have no idea how many. I believe Trump and his supporters have claimed up to 2 millions lives saved, there is no evidence to back that up. Trump and his supporters have a habit of exaggeration (see the greatest economy ever claim) The flip side to that has how many lives have been lost because of the messaging Trump has given, that the virus isn't something to worry about, go about your lives as per normal. How many of his supports have followed his example of not social distancing and not wearing face masks?

"I believe Trump and his supporters have claimed up to 2 millions lives saved"

You cannot prove that, I am the first to agree with you...

As for Trump and the mask issue, I have made my point and opinion on that issue very very clear on here before

@Stav and DA

There's nothing much for me to add pretty much everything has been said that's needed to be said. So while I agree with Stav I agree to disagree with DA. But hey, tx for an honest debate, unusual in these parts, however, it goes a long way in restoring the integrity of this forum.

cheers

"I agree to disagree with DA"

Which parts do you agree to disagree with Denny?

As a reminder, here are some of my recent posts and comments about Trump... as I said, I have commented both positively and negatively about him.

One can see with the constant baiting from the reporters, and the type or direction of their questions that they pose to Trump on a regular basis, how they are against him.  No other sitting US president has ever had to endure what Trump has.... it has been both disgusting and deplorable what they have tried to pin on him or accuse him of, and Nancy Pelosi is an embarrassment to the country.

Trump is no angel, Trump can be a real dick, Trump is arrogant, Trump has a huge ego..... Trump is exactly like most men that don't have to put on a live show, every day, where the worldwide media is watching.

He can be arrogant and resolute in his ways, and I actually don't mind that to a certain degree

Obama in my opinion was a puppet in so many different ways...… he was so eloquent, always said the right thing.... at the right time..... which with the help of that teleprompter, anyone can do...….he was "too" good.... too perfect at what he did, in the public eye......but I still honestly respected him as the president.

Like me, a lot of people I know, who started out enjoying Trump and his outrageous tactics, have now slowly but surely started to move away from him.... and not necessarily support someone else, but just not support Trump as much as when he started his term as president.

Two things have bothered me recently..... I sincerely do believe that Trump has done exceptional things already during his presidency...… and I also genuinely do believe that because of his ego, he does want to do the very best that he can for the USA and it's people, because being the Trump that we all know... if anything, he wants all of this to go down in the history books, whilst he was in charge of the country.

Here are my questions and concerns though...…

Firstly, why does Trump not admit to any of his or his teams mistakes..... and yes, I am well aware that with his power and control, he cannot appear to be weak or incorrect or indecisive in front of millions of his citizens in what he implements under his watch, but surely admitting small inaccuracies or mistakes would endear him more to the public and voters..... and make him look more like the average person..... much like Macron and Ramaphosa have done live on TV during this pandemic.... they have both openly admitted to mistakes that were made under their command.

Secondly, why does Trump point blank refuse to wear a mask, just as he did now at the Ford plant inspection, knowing full well that the worldwide media have made this a very big and serious issue with him specifically, especially from a health and safety perspective.

I know Trump hates the fake news and main stream media for what they have done to him, and I actually fully support him in that regard.... it is actually sickening how they froth at the mouth to make him look stupid or dishonest in any way that they can...… but surely, in the best interests of positive media coverage, respect for all of his fellow citizens, and to reinforce the safety practices during Covid-19, one would think that he could put all of those issues aside and do the right thing here?...… showing a complete lack of respect for a company's health and safety rules and regulations, or even the CDC regulations, just puts across the message that "I am better than you".... these rules do not apply to me...… he is being incredibly disrespectful to everyone involved...."

Lol Denny

Not nearly enough has been said.

In fact, the reason why Trump's approval rating is not sky high has a great many avenues.

For example...

Apple are woke as all hell but manufacture their products in Chinese factories where they actually put nets around the buildings due to worker suicide because of virtual slave labour conditions.

Just one more company, among very many, that want to do their best to please China because that's where their bread is buttered. 

We could also move on to Hollywood, and let me ask you to guess which figure more closely represents the percentage of total investment that comes from China...20% - 50% - 80%.

We could also return to the unanswered question of why it is that the big tech, Holywood and legacy media are so disproportionately and overtly attacking Trump and why none of this occurred during the Bush era when the deep state and MIC were o n board with invading Iraq?

We could then also discuss the most recent news. That being the CIA director's notes after briefing Obama on the fact that Hillary intended to drum up the Russia hoax to defame Trump but also to divert attention away from her email scandal.

Truth is, there is much to examine. 

The other truth is, that's not at all why you made this thread.

DA

If Obama divided the country, Trump divided it even more. I think he missed a golden opportunity to unite the country at the start of the pandemic. If I was him I would have called the governors together and said...right, we have a national problem, lets form a scrum and find a national way forward. Lets develop a national strategy going forward. Straight away he would have endeared himself to the nation and he would have united the people. That I believe is what great leaders do. A united nation with a common message and a common strategy. How could anyone in their right mind recommend the american model in its fight against the virus? He also made a horrible mistake by downplaying the virus, dismissing it as a nuisance factor, refused to set the example recommended by top health experts to wear a face mask and to social distance. Just listen to what he had to say after his release from hospital, one would think that even now at this late hour he'd set the example by encouraging everyone to wear a mask and to social distance. We're talking about the saving of human lives, lives that have been unnecessarily lost because of the gung-ho attitude of the leader of the nation against a killer flu. It's the one thing that pisses me off big time. I'm going to hold back on citing Oz and NZ as role models because I know the reaction it will receive.

Then there's his ongoing hate of the media. I worked in the media. Their job is to sell news, controversy and sensationalism sells news....it's a fact of life, no-one cares or wants to hear or read a boring story. It doesn't sell. I pity them when Trump is gone, he keeps their businesses going. Instead of taking them on he should have played them......they don't care, he is their life blood. They'll test you, twist a story, trip you up....it's all part of their daily routine. To have taken them on was a huge mistake and he may well pay the penalty at the polls.

Hilary and Bill, Obama....supposedly crooks.....why haven't they been prosecuted? Trump has his favored AG  and still today there's no mention of them being prosecuted. Trump has been mouthing off about Hilary for more than the length of his time in office and still nothing....niks.....just his mouthing off. In a way it reminds me of what's happening in SA but at least they do go to the trouble of everlasting commissions with zero prosecutions.

Lastly, I don't like the way he big notes himself  and in the same breath slagging off past presidents even though he might be right it is just shows a lack of class.

"And there is the small matter of the Trillion dollars which  the Trump recovery is ahead of the European recovery."

Be that as it may, I don't believe a single European state would want to swap places with America at the moment.

"The WHO likewise is a mess...‘Covid is not spread human to human’ when that’s the only way it’s spread. Now they are telling us 10% of the population has been exposed.....what’s a bet that’s balls as well."

WHO is not a perfect organization but its unfairly scapegoated by the USA

"As for being criticized on equipment.....no less an enemy then Cuomo had to admit he did a great job.....as did the governor in California."

Cuomo did indeed praise Trump, but like Trump your leaving out the part where Cuomo strongly criticized Trump for not helping with testing.

Crazy how the UK cannot just make some basic laws that the people have to adhere to

The residents have been acting recklessly for far too long now with almost no government intervention regarding behavior control with social distancing and how to treat this pandemic

It is ludicrous how Boris has handled this pandemic....

Hell, it is a farce what he and his ministers have said and done during this whole Covid-19..

A complete and utter joke..... one of the top, if not the worst in the world

Denny

You honestly think that deM governors would, mid impeachment, work with Trump towards a result that may turn out to be in his favor, in an election year?

There must have been a spill at the Coke factory because this is a Fanta-sea.

"You honestly think that deM governors would, mid impeachment, work with Trump towards a result that may turn out to be in his favor, in an election year?"

Sad, but very true...… it is never going to happen

"There must have been a spill at the Coke factory because this is a Fanta-sea"

Lol @ Plum..... fucking lame dude.... but boy did that make me chuckle, thanks...… I have some of my own lame ones like this... and the family just stare at me like.... WTF, did you just do that, hehe

The trick is to keep going, DA.

The less they laugh the more I laugh.