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Some unpalateable facts for ou maaaikie and rooitwit to digest

Started by Beeno117 REPLIES796 VIEWS· 16 Mar 2016, 08:21
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Beeno1
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16 Mar 2016, 08:21
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16 Mar 2016, 08:21#1
Trump is going to win the nomination. I see he has won 4 of the 5 states. 

Three out of four Republicans believe the party establishment should support Donald Trump if he gets the nomination, whose voter support also has broken through the 50 percent mark, up from 44 percent in late February, according to a new poll from YouGov.

Only 13 percent of the party supporters — or just one in eight voters — say the establishment should oppose Trump if he is nominated, says the March 10 to 12 survey.

“If Trump should win … Republican voters, including those supporting other candidates, want the establishment to support him,” YouGov reported.

The high level of support for the frontrunner may make it politically impossible for GOP insiders — even when aided by supporters in the establishment media — to derail Trump’s nomination by exploiting party rules at the Cleveland convention in July.

The poll also showed a sharp drop for 

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79%, leavingSen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% in second place, with 22 percent support. But that’s far behind Trump’s 53 percent backing.

Rubio’s support has drastically fallen from near 20 percent in February to just 10 percent, amid publicity over his role in the 2013 cheap-labor-and-amnesty “comprehensive immigration reform” push by business groups and Democrats.

The YouGov survey was conducted for the Economist, whose editors are pro-immigration, pro-free-trade, anti-nationalist, and anti-Trump

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16 Mar 2016, 08:22
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16 Mar 2016, 08:22#2
 When you think about it all the fuss is about the fact the establishment has lost control of the GOP.
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16 Mar 2016, 08:31
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16 Mar 2016, 08:31#3
 Poor wee rubio gets crushed. rooitwit gave gim the kiss of death no doubt!

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida — Billionaire Donald Trump crushed home state Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79% here with a nearly 20-point victory over who he’s called “Little Marco” in recent weeks, according to election results from the state.

Trump’s astounding victory could be felt in the jubilation among his campaign staff here at Mar-A-Lago, Trump’s West Palm Beach luxury golf resort, as he readies himself for another post-election-results press conference.

The crushing defeat for the pro-amnesty Rubio, the chief pitchman for the Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY)-constructed “Gang of Eight” amnesty bill, is a deathly blow to the donor class agenda of more immigration and open borders trade policy. Rubio’s stunning defeat comes after weeks of his team—and himself—reassuring uneasy billionaire backers and supporters he would undoubtedly win the Sunshine State. Rubio even said on Monday, the day before the same voters who sent him to the U.S. Senate summarily rejected his plea for a promotion, he would shock the world on Tuesday. In actuality, he failed entirely.

This also means now that Rubio, who said he believes that the nominee of the GOP in the national presidential election will be the winner of the Florida GOP primary, thinks the 2016 nominee for the GOP will be Donald Trump. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO BEENO AND SAVED HIMSELF ALL THAT TROUBLE AND DAMAGE TO HIS REPUTATION

“I believe with all my heart that the winner of the Florida primary next Tuesday will be the nominee of the Republican primary,” Rubio said last week.

On the other hand, Trump won Florida’s plum prize of 99 delegates easily. The surprise victory over Rubio here—something GOP insiders surely thought would be impossible months ago—comes as both 

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% and Ohio Gov. John Kasich have had decent performances in their home states but have struggled elsewhere in the country.

As polls closed in the Buckeye State on Tuesday evening, it was still too close to call in Kasich’s Ohio but exit polls show the governor has an edge—and while Cruz won Texas a couple weeks ago on March 1, and has won a handful of other states with it throughout the core heartland of the country—no candidate save for Trump has been able to build such a diverse selection of state victories and such a broad coalition of voters inside the GOP, and among independents and crossover Democrats.

Cruz’s factional nature, and Kasich’s inability to mount a serious national campaign outside his home state, are sure to propel Trump higher and higher as the only Republican who can unify the party and defeat likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in the general election moving forward. Sure, anti-Trump forces within the party are still trying anything and everything they can to desperately aim to slow the train-like momentum of Trump’s ascension down, but they’re running out of options as the battle heads into a dog fight for delegates between Cruz and Kasich and Trump in the next stages of battle. Every establishment effort to coalesce behind anyone to stop Trump—whether it be former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, 

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC)37%, former Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal or now Rubio—has utterly and absolutely failed. Now the Washington establishment seems to be aiming to coalesce next behind Kasich and then lastly behind Cruz in their efforts to maintain control over the populace, and it remains to be seen if these last ditch efforts will be even close to successful or if they will fail just like every other fight.

That being said, given the map coming up—and the desperation of Washington establishment politicians in the Republican Party—it seems that despite Trump’s resounding win in Florida over Rubio that Trump and his GOP establishment enemies lining up behind Cruz and Kasich are in for a long, protracted battle that could carry well into May, June or even lead to a contested GOP convention in July.

Bring it on they will get soundly whipped. MOMENTUM IS GROWING. NO WAYS ALSO THAT BENT HILLARY CAN HOPE TO BEAT TRUMP.

Gooooooo PRESIDENT TRUMP.

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16 Mar 2016, 08:47
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16 Mar 2016, 08:47#4
 Trump's rhetoric is now inciting violence. He's telling his supporters to punch the opposition in the face; talking about ripping the f****ing whistle from the mouth of the opposition. Is this maniac going to grow up? I doubt it. 
Voters better examine him more carefully & put aside their disenchantment with the establishment because this egomaniac will do & say anything to stay the center of attention. He isn't a serious candidate for president he's just having fun & promoting the "Trump brand".
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16 Mar 2016, 08:53
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16 Mar 2016, 08:53#5

Mar 15

Florida · 99 delegatesTrump won and has 99 delegatesIllinois · 69 delegates99% reporting · Trump won and has 24 delegatesMissouri · 52 delegates99% reporting · Trump leadsNorth Carolina · 72 delegates100% reporting · Trump won and has 29 delegates, Cruz has 26, Kasich has 9, Rubio has 5Ohio · 66 delegatesKasich won and has 66 deleg
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16 Mar 2016, 10:34
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16 Mar 2016, 10:34#6
 Yup, Trump won big time & I see a dark cloud spreading over the Re-pub party Rubio has to show some guts & refuse to give his delegate votes to wee Trump. We will see what the Re-pubs do, they want to win the White house & will do almost anything to do it. Will they get behind Trump & try & get him to tone it down? We will see. 
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16 Mar 2016, 10:46
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16 Mar 2016, 10:46#7
Beeno
I am not a fool you know.  Trump has 612 delegates in his pocket.   He needs another 640 delegates to win selection at the Republican convention.  There are still 912 delegates to be selected as against the 1613 delegates already selected.   So out of the 912 delegates he will need to win so as to get another 572 delegates to win the nomination.   
At best Trump can get more or less 500 delegates - from the remainder of the primaries and caucuses with Rubio out of contention - Trump is going to find it harder to get wins in states - especially against Cruz.
Now lets get to a realistic situation - if Trump does not have enough delegates to win in the Convention in Round 1 - bearing in mind that the rest of the candidates with the few delegates they won before going out - will probably go to Cruz or Kasich.
Without a majority delegates - there are two things to do for Trump.  He can try and form an alliance with Cruz or he will just not make the nomination.  The other issue would be that the majority of the delegates could unite behind Cruz and he will get the nomination on Round 2 and perhaps offer Trump the Vice-Presidency.          
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16 Mar 2016, 10:52
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16 Mar 2016, 10:52#8
 Cruz is a loser also but maybe less dangerous that the wee Don. Re-pubs are in big trouble. Will they make back room deals (as they used to do) or will they get the windbag to tow the party line. Time will tell.
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16 Mar 2016, 10:59
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16 Mar 2016, 10:59#9
Let me just add the following.   There are a very few states left where the Winner Take All delegates in primaries.  So let us look at the other States - in most states won by Trump he averages 35- 38% of the votes - hence the fact that despite all the States he won in he does not have half the delegates needed.  With that kind of percentage - he is going to find it very hard to get the 592 delegates he needs.  
Where he did get more than that - he will be faced with the fact that he has to face Cruz where the difference in delegates selected are marginal eg in Misssouri.   If the present trends continue he will end up with about 200 less delegates than needed - but I give him a general number of 500 of the delegates still to be selected.       
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16 Mar 2016, 11:10
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16 Mar 2016, 11:10#10
 What is crazy about the primaries is that at the delegate convention the delegates are not bound to deliver the votes based on the primary voting. They can switch their votes to another candidate. I don't think this has happened often in recent history but it is legal. So, we could see some major deals being made in back rooms between now and the final votes at the Re-pub convention.
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16 Mar 2016, 11:43
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16 Mar 2016, 11:43#11
Baboon-ou, why would that be "unpalatable" for me?

How many times have I said I want Drumpf to win the Republican nomination? Huh? Seriously, how many times? It's not a rhetorical question, give me a number.

Idiot!
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16 Mar 2016, 12:26
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16 Mar 2016, 12:26#12
 JW
It did happen in the past that some backroom deals are made.   That normally happens in the second round of voting - in the first round the delegates routinely follow the candidate they were selected to represent. 
If Trump cannot win the 592 votes he required in Round 1 he is going to have to make a deal with one of the candidates who opted out - but it is hard to see how the Rubio and Kasich delegates will vote for Trump - since they are establishment supporters.
I think chances are that the Republican Party would gang up on Trump and offer him the Vice-Presidency as a sob.   My gut feeling is that Cruz may end up as presidential candidate.  
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16 Mar 2016, 12:53
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16 Mar 2016, 12:53#13
Cruz strikes me as a phony nut job too but there aren't many choices for the Re-pubs at this point.
Maybe Trump would accept the VP spot as he could be used as a blowhard to attack dems if the Re-pubs get in office. The VP is not accountable for anything so the position has been used this way before, e.g Spiro Agnew was used like this by Nixon. 
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16 Mar 2016, 13:09
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16 Mar 2016, 13:09#14
 If trump end up with a sizeable lead and he doesn't  get the candidacy,  the Republicans will alienate their voters and suffer a huge defeat.
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16 Mar 2016, 14:12
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16 Mar 2016, 14:12#15
Analysts are saying trump can win a majority of delegates. Yo must also factor in Christies and Carson's delegates.Also some Rubio votes will now switch to Trump etc etc.
Trump is the guy with the policies needed to get the USA back on track and with the intellect and guts and drive to do it.Best candidate the USA has had perhaps in history.
How many candidates could have beaten the odds he has. Donor owned press going hysterical and smearing him with everything they have got but he continues to prosper. Simply because he is right again and again.The bigoted left are trying to invade his meetings to cause trouble but gain look at the recent elections. They are making complete twits of themselves and making Trump look even better. BwahahahhahahahahahahahaMan this is great to follow. The establishment and their dupes like ou JW getting their fat butts kicked. 

meanwhile trump is gathering support from a wide base. Many democrats are going to cross over. Trump will won the presidential elections comfortably against anybody the woosy democrats can field.
Gooooo Trump.I see ou rooitwit is still denying he called rubio to win. Hahahahahahahahhahaha
Draad the effete GOP establishment who cant accept the voters verdict dislike Cruz as much. Believe me Cruz and Trump will ensure that nobody but themselves will get the presidency. Cruz may get the VC spot.No ways can trump get close to the number needed and still not get the nomination. He could finish off the GOP by leaving with millions of very strong supporters and start a new party which given his leadership will quickly dominate US politics.The effete and self serving establishment must just accept they are yesterdays men and shut the help up -either support Trump or join the democrats. Wha hahhahahahahahaha
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16 Mar 2016, 14:54
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16 Mar 2016, 14:54#16
 Carson has 8 and Christie 1 delegate - Bush has 5 and  why should Rubio's delegates go to Trump - he was an establishment candidate.    I just wrote out the facts as they stand.   It is much more probable that the establishment would do nothing - but they may fund the Cruz and Kasich campaigns.
If Trump is not selected in Round 1 of the voting - his candidature is as good as dead.  That is when the backroom negotiations start.   and I believe that Trump may end up as Voice-Presidential candidate.   
That means inter alia that he is the Chairman of the Senate if elected.  Would help him in some of the issues he is championing - but remove some of his mad ideas.      
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16 Mar 2016, 14:56
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16 Mar 2016, 14:56#17
I'm denying I picked Rubio to win the Republican nomination back in December? Really? Goodness but you're stupid!

Tell me Baboon-ou, are you able to distinguish between what you think might happen and what you'd like to happen?

Let me put this in a way you might understand . . .

Okay, just hypothetically, let's say you prefer yellow bananas to green bananas, okay? Unfortunately your nice zookeeper has hundreds of green bananas and very few yellow ones. You prefer yellow but if someone had to ask you what colour banana you think you'll receive that evening, you're going to say green. Now, does that mean you suddenly prefer green bananas?

No need to answer immediately, go have a swing on the tyre and ponder what I've said here. Don't worry . . . we'll get you up to speed . . . eventually. Baby steps . . . off you go now . . .
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16 Mar 2016, 20:05
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16 Mar 2016, 20:05#18
Some delegates counts Trump 661Cruz     406Sweet ruby 169Kasich        142carson      8
Ou rooitwit picked Rubio to win the GOP nomination. It was the kiss of death HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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