Something is rotten in the state of Denmark

A quote from Shakespeare play, Hamlet.

In fact not merely rotten, but so foul you will be horrified.

The media is rightly horrified by the mass murder of women and children in Bucha but what has now been discovered and verified that this could not physically have been be done by Russian soldiers as they had physically withdrawn from the town on the 30th March. Four days later the bodies were discovered...4 days the bodies were still fresh, not stiffened and the blood was congealed (fresh blood). This has been confirmed by medical doctors stationed there.

Russian ministry has pushed for a meeting with UN Security Council to present this evidence but they are not interested, why? You work that one out.

?Russian Defence Ministry denies accusations of Kiev regime of allegedly killing civilians in Bucha, Kiev Region

?All the photos and videos published by the Kiev regime allegedly testifying to some "crimes" committed by Russian servicemen in Bucha, Kiev region are just another provocation.

During the time that the town has been under the control of the Russian armed forces, not a single local resident has suffered from any violent action. Russian servicemen have delivered and distributed 452 tonnes of humanitarian aid to civilians in Kiev Region.

For as long as the town was under the control of the Russian armed forces and even then, up to now, locals in Bucha were moving freely around the town and using cellular phones.

?The exits from Bucha were not blocked. All local residents were free to leave the town in northern direction, including to the Republic of Belarus. At the same time, the southern outskirts of the city, including residential areas, were shelled round the clock by Ukrainian troops with large-calibre artillery, tanks and multiple launch rocket systems.

?We would like to emphasise that all Russian units withdrew completely from Bucha as early as March 30, the day after the Russia-Ukraine face-to-face round of talks in Turkey.

Moreover, on March 31, the mayor of Bucha, Anatoliy Fedoruk, confirmed in a video message that there were no Russian servicemen in the town, but he did not even mention any locals shot in the streets with their hands tied.

It is not surprising, therefore, that all the so-called "evidence of crimes" in Bucha did not emerge until the fourth day, when the Security Service of Ukraine and representatives of Ukrainian media arrived in the town.

It is of particular worry that all the bodies of the people whose images have been published by the Kiev regime are not stiffened after at least four days, have no typical cadaver stains, and the wounds contain unconsumed blood.

? All this confirms conclusively that the photos and video footage from Bucha are another production by the Kiev regime for the Western media, as was the case in Mariupol with the maternity hospital, as well as in other cities.

Lies, lies upon lies...these alone are so foul but the worst of atrocities of murder have been committed to fool the west by even more. This is not new, the west has been hoodwinked since 2014 when similar atrocities started and ongoing...it is not new.

The only type of soldier that would do this is subhuman, such subhuman acts that stand out like this have been done by Nazi's. Experts at deception and the cruelest of all.

Seb, I don't like to believe either side is capable of such horror.

It is dead murdered bodies...that are rotting.,,

Although this could be work of the Taliban mercenaries that Putin recruited, it sounds a bit like their handy work. 

We are living in a very wicked world...where truth is vanished and lies by masters of deception swallowed, hook, line and sinker;far cleverer than the ordinary common and even so-called educated man, is a victim. The problem is man's feeble vanities cannot see it. We are in a certain sense or context, all guilty and only see the consequences of it , too late.

Let the UN investigate the situation as requested and  see what the true situation is.   It would be of medical experts be easy to determine the date of death of people and also the identity of the people concerned.     

"It was inevitable that this claim would be made. Somewhere in this whole mess the Ukrainians will have done something wrong. Given the duress, over reactions are likely . Whether this claim is true, just like Russian war crime claims, remains to be established."

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THIS!...war is s horrible thing and normal good people sometimes do terrible things in wars.

What does not make sense is the amount of people coming forward to make statements about how they have personally seen these Russian fighters raping women and children and shooting people point blank in the street, in underground shelters, and in their own homes.

I am not talking about one or two isolated incidents, people are going on record demanding answers as to why these Russian soldiers are not being held accountable for all of this.

I agree, one cannot just jump to the conclusion that these are actual Russian soldiers doing this, but of the 10 or more interviews I have read, that is what is being said.

As Seb said, the truth must eventually prevail....

Well, according to this news article which just came out, it apparently blows the Russian theory completely out of the water.

Satellite images show that the bodies had been lying in the streets long before the Russians moved out.

Satellite Footage

"However, analysis of satellite images by the New York Times and of moving and still images by fact-checkers at the BBC contradict Russia's denial."

"The NYT has retri eved archived satellite images they have then matched up with photos taken by members of the media on the ground in Bucha which they say proves the bodies were there before Russian troops withdrew on March 30." 

"The newspaper matched up to 11 bodies on the streets in a video shot by a local resident on April 2 with a satellite image from March 11 - when Russia was occupying the town - which suggests the bodies had been there for weeks. Subsequent images obtained by MailOnline from March 19 correlate with the same video."

Some body's lying that's no question. The "state of Denmark" is now the whole world.

The art of lying and disinformation by media is of huge concern and a research into this was written in Harvard Business Review.

Why the News Is Not the Truth

I have said a few times before that propaganda will always exist during times of war.

However, these people being interviewed almost daily now.... especially the elderly residents of Ukraine, who are incredibly emotional on camera, describing what they saw with their own eyes, when their husbands and sons were executed in front of them..... and there are plenty of these stories.... on camera... they are not isolated cases.

These atro cities should correctly be condemned in the very strongest terms....

I hope they definitively identify who has done this.....and charge them with war crimes.

When you see the hurt, terror and even the pure hatred in the eyes of these people, because of what they have witnessed and endured, when they are being interviewed.... there is no ways in hell these people are "acting"

DA 

Let the UN send an impartial Investigation team to determine what really happened.   Media stories are mostly fabrication and  not to be believed.    I think it was Mark Twain who said that - if people do not read newspapers - they are idiots.  If they do read the newspapers  and believe them - they are bigger idiots. 

Russia asked for a UN investigation  - why would they do that if they are guilty?    According to the media  theree were heavy fighting around and in Bucha - yet fotos shows minimal damage of buildings - so what was the real situation.   

Sorry - I do not believe the fake media and that includes the New York Times and most tv news outlets  since over the last five years they have spread disinformation  and lies on a daily basis.      

Rooinek - thanks for the quote.   You are a misinformed brainwashed  piece of shit with shit on the brain disease.   If ever there was a brainwashed moron his name is definitely Rooinek.    It is an insult to shit to call you one  - so lets go one step lower and call you snakeshit  imbecile.       

Mike, there are too many of the same stories coming out of the Ukraine, to not have "some" element of truth to it.... and maybe even becoming outright fact at some point.

I am not saying the Ukraine soldiers are angels at all...., but there are so many varying stories now about these Russian soldiers.... who are freezing cold... starving, and angry.

Too many Russian soldiers have gone on camera to say that they were duped... they were lied to.....not one or two, there are now plenty who have decided to speak out against this war.

Too many personal messages on dead Russian soldier's phones, to their own family members, stating that they were not in favour of this war, and never had been....

This could also be the work of separatists.... who knows.

Too many civilian witnesses are telling their own stories of how the Russians ransacked their homes for food and booze and randomly and repeatedly raped their wives and daughters.....and killed their husbands and sons....

Sad......very sad, not sure what else there is to say. Why do we do this to each other...why?

DA

Something does not add up here.

When Russian Defence Ministry wanted a meeting with UN Security Council to provide evidence that they were not there after 30th March and other evidence they were not interested.WHY???

Russian soldiers are there on orders, conscripts and professional ( permanent force).

They did not come on a mission to kill women and children. That's ridiculous.

They did not come to do that and I've seen what typical Russian people are like.They love their families, kids, Russian Orthodox Church,very fond of dogs and horses...there's a very gentle side to their tough exteriors. In these ways they are similar to us, in fact a lot like SA Afrikaaners.My wife has never told me an untruth...we have been married 21 years. I've met dozens of her people, her brother and family, friends, both young and old, university students, a retired Naval captain, a cardiologist that met Chris Barnard years ago. Honest and kind people.

They do not hate Ukranians at all  and their mission was certainly not to kill woman and children or civilians. This is a hate crime and this is quite possible radical racialism, hatred for other groups,..this type of act is typical of very extreme Neo Nazi groups.These groups that they hate are Blacks, Jews, Slavs, Asian, Coloureds and a host of others, even some Ukrainians. In fact everybody not them. They did this as we saw in WW2, death camps etc.

It looks like Ukranians have got into bed with some very bad bed-fellows and cannot shake them off in the armed forces...they are ruthless killing machines and very effective in urban warfare and use civilians as human shields.They use blocks of flats, factories, hospitals etc to snipe and shoot from.

It's a huge cover up to spread anti Russian propaganda...very effective to drum up support as we can see. The sad thing is that sells and people actually believe it.

Putin is a Nazi, the worst since Adolf Hitler. He kills people, and should not be running a country. 
Any Russian that supports him, must remain in Russia. They are not welcome in the West. 

So Putin is a NAZI and Biden a Communist Collaborator controlled  by President Xi - but you are the same as Biden I m afraid.    For heavens sake stop believing CNN (also known as Communist News Network) - they are lying to you and you are idiotic enough to believe them.     

By the way you said Russians  supporting Putin is not welcome in the West - others are.   Sounds like it is against the basic principle of Democracy to make that kind of statement.   Do you apply that to inflow of ME refugees into the EU countries and the UK as well?      .      

Seb.... none of us have the answers here..... at least not yet, conclusively anyway.... too much bullshit is thrown in the mix of everything.

Reuters has now confirmed a lot of information contained in this latest news article which came out earlier today, which involves a lot of these very young conscripts.... it is not only shocking to read and see, but it is also seriously starting to point a lot of the blame directly right at Putin's door......

Why would all these young soldiers, and especially their families.. openly criticize their leader, knowing what will happen to them when they get back home.

Read the part where 137 young conscripts downed their rifles as one unit, and point blank refused to fight the people of Ukraine....

Nobody does this unless they are 100% truly against what they have been ordered to do by their military leaders......... which is to murder people.

Conscript Concerns

"When Russian Defence Ministry wanted a meeting with UN Security Council to provide evidence that they were not there after 30th March and other evidence they were not interested.WHY???"

Not sure Seb, as I said.... too much bullshit mixed in

Why would two separate and independent newspapers post video and imaging "proof" that proves that the Russians were "definitely" in occupation when all these people were slaughtered? 

Democracy does not need to be applied to those that do not believe in it, like Hitler. 
4 Million Ukraine refugees made homeless, and many of their cities have been destroyed in the name of anti-Nazism. 

Ukraine could go on the offensive and start striking Russia. The average Russian appears to be fine with doing the same to Ukraine, so they can get to feel what it is like. Although Putin may have cheated in his popularity polls. 

Shocking as all this might be, the truth will eventually be revealed.

Wars unfortunately brings out the worst of the worst in mankind.

Sad to see that humans can sink to this level of insanity, cruelty and murder.

Unfortunately "Power" makes some think they are untouchable but they will be held to account for the actions.

Sad and disgusting.