They must be left feeling like mugs now. Trump could have pardoned them, but he left them for dead. The leaders of Proud Boys are going to jail for more serious crimes than their members, like conspiring to obstruct and ove rturn an election.
Should be charged with treason, using violence to try to stop a democratically elected government.
Been watching the news reports of those being convicted and enjoying listening to every one of them squeal that they were conned by Trump and all the other loonies Bwahahahaha stupid people win stupid prizes
Funny how you were quiet when the left actually burned down cities...the Jan6 insurgency was a walk in the park compared to the BLM protests that went before...wrong is wrong, no matter who's the perpetrators.
So based on your theory no one can post anything on a topic because they haven't posted previously on the other side of the argument. Noted I will keep an eye out for you posts so you don't break your own rules there Draad
And I will say it again, it never cease's to amaze me the number of numptys on this site that think if you are against something thing on here you are pro the other side. there is a middle ground you know.
I am anti any one rioting no matter what their views are. this world view of its black and white has to bloody end or we are all doomed.
And I think you need to watch the videos of that day and I dare you to tell the cops it was a walk in the park and just some white boys having a little bit of fun.
Yes Draad, listen and learn.
Unlike moderate people. the far left or far right can only see their own view.
You have tried to justify this terrorist act just because they share the same far-right ideology, and they are white Christians.
If someone took a shit on the floor, would you use that as an excuse to do the same?
"And I will say it again, it never cease's to amaze me the number of numptys on this site that think if you are against something thing on here you are pro the other side. there is a middle ground you know."
That's not what I said.
" I think you need to watch the videos of that day and I dare you to tell the cops it was a walk in the park ..."
"...compared to the BLM protests that went before."
"...and just some white boys having a little bit of fun"
I never said that and it wasn't only white people...it wasn't a racial thing at all.
I condemn any riots in the strongest terms and the Jan6 "insurgence" got way out of hand and should not have happened at all, but it's being blown way out of proportion...if you can't see that I really don't know what to say.
BTW...I know people got killed and it was very serious, but it wasn't weeks of riots country wide with properties being burnt to the ground.
"You have tried to justify this terrorist act just because they share the same far-right ideology, and they are white Christians."
Are you insane? Where did I justify anything of this kind?
If someone took a shit on the floor, would you use that as an excuse to do the same?
What the AF has that got to do with anything mentioned on this thread?
I do as I please and coincidentally everything I choose to do are within the boundaries of social acceptability...
Well I can only think that the rioting in SA is pretty hardcore if what I have seen of Jan6 is what you classify as a tame little argument between the white boys and their buddies the boys in blue.
And the main area of concern is not the violence as much as what they were trying to do in a supposedly democratic free country. Their goal was effectively remove the democratically elected government and put their own choice in power and fuck everything that the United States stands for.
Tell me if it was the black lives matter group that stormed the capital building in an attempt to overthrow Trump would you be saying its all being blown out of all proportions, I bet a $ to a pinch of goat shit you wouldn't
Unlike the BLM and Antifa terrorist subsidiaries of the Democratic Party the Proud Boys organization is not a Republican subsidiary. they developed in Oregon and Washington state to counter terrorist attacks on ordinary people by Antifa and BLM that still rule parts of Portland and Seattle as "autonomous zones" and the fact is the Proud Boys is defensive in nature and fight back at Democratic Party terrorism as happened in 2020 in cities all over the USA when at least 45 people were murdered by BLM and Antifa and over 700 police officers seriously injured - while rioters looted and burned down thousands of businesses in cities all over the USA.
The Republicans do not condone any violent attacks on people - the Democrats suppress action being taken against violent attackers and terrorists. They let loose at least 1500 people arrested in the riots in 2020 and a few who were charged and fined, the Democrats had their fines paid by one of their subsidiaries. The rest were let lose ready for use in 2022 before the next election in November 2022.
^The story of the various so-called right wing protection of people against attacks by the mobs are all over the leftists press. They never reported on the terrorist attacks in 2020 on many people and even when buildings were on fire in the videos - the comment was the potests were peaceful.
So we accept that you were following fake stories again - get real for a change.
CF
There were a case of total propaganda about the 6 January incident and what was said in the fake news was that about 600 unarmed people attempted to cause an insurrection - that being your argument.
It is totally silly and total BS. There can never be an insurrection involving that small number of unarmed people in any country like the USA. If what you say is what happened it would be easy to charge arrested people with that attempt - but only a few of the over 600 people were actually charged and what they were accused of were basically trespassing. The rest are held and often tortured as political prisoners.
BLM is a Communist-controlled subsidiary of he Democratic Party and was used extensively to cause mayhem in cities all over the USA as armed terrorists and they were supplied with petrol bombs and pipe bombs by the organizers of riots. The result -
* at least 45 people murdered;
* at least 700 police service members injured and a police station burned down; and
* thousands of businesses looted and burned down - damage estimated at over US$5 billion
That was a serious attack on Democracy in the USA - the allegations about 6 January is a farce and remains one.
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Are you all 5 or something its like a primary school playground here "he hit me first"
Go watch a news broadcast that doesn't come from one of you right wing nutbar channels.
There are plenty of videos taken my the rioters themselves saying they were there to string up Pence and Polosi (spelling?) and they were there to overthrow Biden and their administration.
But according to you lot they were just there to shake every ones hand and sign the visitors book.
If you have the balls watch this which is a step by step narration of how the day unfolded and contains a lot of the rioters own recordings and what they intended to do.
I am sure you will A) not watch it but say its all B/S or B) watch it and say its all fake with voice overs and black life matters masquerading at trump supporters
Day of Rage: How Trump Supporters Took the U.S. Capitol | Visual Investigations - YouTube
Well I can only think that the rioting in SA is pretty hardcore if what I have seen of Jan6 is what you classify as a tame little argument between the white boys and their buddies the boys in blue.
I was talking about the regular BLM/Antifa protests in the USA at various intervals since 2016.
And the main area of concern is not the violence as much as what they were trying to do in a supposedly democratic free country. Their goal was effectively remove the democratically elected government and put their own choice in power and fuck everything that the United States stands for.
Of course there were a couple of fools amongst them...most were protesting alleged voter fraud...rught or wrong, doesn't make them terrorists.
Tell me if it was the black lives matter group that stormed the capital building in an attempt to overthrow Trump would you be saying its all being blown out of all proportions, I bet a $ to a pinch of go
If it was "BLM"/Antifa, the capital would have been burned to the ground....tell me, how many Molotovs were used?
I'm for law and order...the moment they started breaking the law, they should start facing consequences...I'm all for their prosecution, but if you really think they actually tried to overthrow the government and should be prosecuted for treason/terrorism you might be just as delusional as them.
If any prosecutions are forthcoming it will be Demorats, BLM, Clintons and Bidens.
What took place on Jan 6th was tame compared to what BLM did to the cities around the country as well as what the Demorats and the two families mentioned have done to the country, the justice system, defense, immigration, the economy and torn the nation apart.
A close friend of mine who moved to NZ in 1997 has just returned to RSA and cited violence and crime as his reasons for leaving NZ.
He lived in Auckland, which we visited in 2001 and we were shocked to hear the stories he told as the city and country we visited was really cool.
But I suppose if you let things slide like crime for instance everything else will eventually head downhill rapidly.
Following the States it appears.
Honest election where was that again Crusty?
DbDraad you reply to the LEFTIES was absolutely perfectly.
Are you bloody nuts - the real problem is the Communists who undermines Democracy. And that is what is wrong in the USA - the Democrats are now run by the Extreme leftists and their Chinese partners. Thee are now 22.8% of the people in the USA who are irreligious . Since when is that the majority of the people in the USA
Brainwashing by besotted idiots is not for me. Religion has nothing to do with the problems the USA now faces and to think it has a religious base is crazy..
What we are seeing is the last fight against a world dictatorship that would be worse thane ver before in the history of mankind. I do not know whether you have children . Hope .you do not have - because i9n years to come they will curse you for being aligned to self-destructing idiot destroying your own freedom.
CF
I watch a lot of news channels and I recognize BS hen I see it. This was a protest that got out of control and trespassing occurred with minimal damage the result.
Nobody was armed and to call that an insurrection is a farce - it was a few hundred people out of control. If it was serious as the media allege - they should have charged the arrested people with serious crimes - but there was not enough evidence to lay serious charges and the Democrat6s is turning the whole thing into a political farce by keeping political prisoners without charging them with crimes.
This is the type of political usage through lies and deception. Remember the liaison story between Putin and Trump - which turned out to be concocted lies made up by the Democrats. That is what made the political situation in the USA toxic and you fell for that one too.
You call $30 million USD minimal damage?
Yes normal people know they didn't have a chance to change anything but those morons didn't have the brain power to understand that. Following your logic attempted murder should be get slapped with a wet bus ticket since they failed so its not a real crime.
And whats with all this BLM BS its fuckin irrelevant what other people do or have done, these idiots chose to riot, damage property and cause peoples death and injury. There is no excuse for this no mater what colour or beliefs they have.
You are only trying to downplay their behavior because you side with their conspiracy bullshit
What did the $30 million include? It is nno0thing compared the estimated $5 billion caused during the riots in the USA in 2020,
I am sorry - - I have no problem with charging people with damages - but the allegation that it was an insurrection is total BS. Go and study what an insurrection entails - it is not the action of 600 to 700 unarmed individuals - the FBI could find no evidence it was an organized attack according to their own statement . If the damage was caused charge the individuals - but do not try to make out something mythical out of it.
By all means follow the Constitution and the Rule of Law in that situation. The Democrat circus is not going to do that - as its propaganda weapon will vanish and they want to try to find means to permanently remove Trump from any political activity, Whatever they do will be cancelled out after the mid=term election - and that is when the Democrats w2ill revert back to violence and riots like they7 did last year.
The conspiracy BS was the 2 Russian Hoaxes the Democrats dreamed up and this is in fact a repeat of conspiracy BS again. There was no organized attempt to do anything - unlike what happened in 2016 when the Democratic Party tried serious stunts to undermine the Trump Administration. which now has real court implications for people being charged with false claims Clinton and the DNC dreamed up and supported by the Obama Administration and Biden.
You won't appreciate it - but Obama, Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff and Schumer were so deeply involved in corruption and there is 100% written confirmation what they were up to. At least Clinton was right when she shouted at Brazelle - the DNC Chairperson - "You better do something about it - the bastard are going to hang us up to dry if he wins". She was also the dear lady who in a e-mail to her campaign manager Podesta wrote that she has "direct access to Putin's inner sanctum". By the way the same Podesta got 75 000 shares in a Russian Company as a bribe - which he promptly passed on to a company owned by his daughter.
Obama did what Zuma did in SA - he appointed stooges prepared to do his bidding to senior positions in the FBI and the Justice Department to sabotage real investigations and the crooks are panicking about Trump winning in 2024. They will all spent the rest of their lives in jail for bribery and corruption. if that happens. .