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The Clinton Campaign concocted the Russian Collusion lie

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2021, 15:51
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19 Sept 2021, 15:51#1

 From the Wall Street Journal:


John Durham on Thursday indicted a Clinton campaign lawyer from 2016 for lying to the FBI, but this is no ho-hum case of deception. The special counsel’s 27-page indictment is full of new, and damning, details that underscore how the Russia collusion tale was concocted and peddled by the Clinton campaign.



The indictment says Mr. Sussmann assured Mr. Baker he was not doing this work “‘for any client,’ which led the FBI General Counsel to understand that SUSSMANN was acting as a good citizen merely passing along information, not as a paid advocate or political operative.” This was false, says the indictment, which documents how Mr. Sussmann was working with other Democrats (including fellow Perkins Coie lawyer Marc Elias ) and billing his time to the Clinton campaign.


The indictment says the Alfa bank allegations came via an unidentified tech executive (“Tech Executive-1”), who according to one of his emails expected to get the “top [cybersecurity] job” in a Clinton Administration. The executive owned internet companies that had access to vast amounts of “public and nonpublic” data. The exec was tipped to purported traffic between Alfa bank and a Trump email domain and alerted Mr. Sussmann.

The executive ordered his employees to “search and analyze their holdings of public and non public internet data for derogatory information on Trump.” He also enlisted researchers at an unidentified U.S. university. The goal of the searches, says the indictment, was to “support an ‘inference’ and ‘narrative’ regarding Trump that would please certain ‘VIPs.’”

These searches came up with little or nothing. But the executive handed the innuendo to Mr. Sussmann, who wrote white papers he handed to the FBI and worked with Fusion GPS and Mr. Elias to feed it to a credulous press corps. Mr. Sussmann’s meeting with the FBI’s Mr. Baker gave the media a hook to write that law enforcement was investigating the Trump-Russia ties. The FBI opened its probe into Mr. Trump, which cascaded into the collusion political frenzy that damaged the Trump Presidency for more than two years.

The narrow Sussmann indictment opens another the window on a far greater offense, which was the Clinton team and the media’s dirty trick against U.S. democracy. The indictment alleges that Mr. Elias kept Clinton campaign officials informed about the scam, including the “campaign manager, communications director, and foreign policy advisor.”



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2021, 15:53
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19 Sept 2021, 15:53#2

So there you have it….Clinton operatives concocted this lie based on the flimsiest of evidence and lied about their motivations. This was a purely political deception used to damage a presidency, regardless of the consequences.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2021, 17:49
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19 Sept 2021, 17:49#3

Mozart

A few years ago Jimmy Dore had copes of ducuments anamong others  an e-mail from Clinton to Podesta - her campaign manager - in which she stated that she "his direct access into Putin's inner sanctum".   Another document indicated that Podesta received 75 000 shares in a Russian State-owned company as a bribe/    The latter issue was raised by Fox News  in an interview with Podesta.   He did not deny in getting the bribe - but claimed he passed the shares to a company belonging to his daughter so as not to make a false claim of assets when he was appointed  in a WH job under Obama.   His justification was that the documents were  stolen from his computer.   I am sure that issue will come out in the court case as well.

I do think there were many people  knowing about this - but the left media never got beyond shouting out every lie planted with them by Sussman-     I think that in a court case on the issue Trump would have the right to  appoint his own legal team and  that would make very uncomfortable for the  Clinton cabal, as well as the emdioa.

The Biden Administration will try to hush up this case  to prevent it ever reach trial - they have so much on their plate already that a further Democratic Party scandal should not be exposed.  Susssman  can avoid  a court case by pleading guilty to the charge and go to jail, but then freed by a pardon by Biden after a year or even sooner..  

However, there is always another option and that would be a massive libel claim in damages from all parties concerned and  that would include Sussman, Clinton, the Democratic Party, the FBI and Podesta.    

The Democratic POarty and Biden has massive problems already and if this issue goes to court the Public may become  aware of what really happened and the leis would be exposed even to the democratic sheep who believed it.

We have also the sheep on site that believe the BS   and repeated the leis on site.  Perhaps it is long poverdiue that they apologize on site for their behavior.             .    

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2021, 18:55
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19 Sept 2021, 18:55#4

The difference here is Durham has actually issued indictments….it’s out of the rumor mill and into the courts.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2021, 19:32
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19 Sept 2021, 19:32#5

The dishonest buffoon sharktwit will of cou rse ignore all evidence.

One thing will lead to another provided the LAW is applied.

Note this:

Ric Grenell: FBI wasn’t ‘duped’ by lying attorney indicted in Durham probe, they wanted Clinton to win

Former Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell explosively stated that he does not believe the FBI was duped by Hillary Clinton’s high-powered Perkins-Coie attorney Michael Sussmann when he allegedly lied on behalf of his client.

Special Counsel John Durham indicted Sussmann on Thursday in connection to the Russia-gate probe and the false information he spoon-fed the FBI concerning the Trump campaign having a covert server linked to the Russian Alfa Bank. Although the Sussmann indictment is an important step in the investigation, Grenell says it is not necessarily the key to unraveling the massive effort to take Trump down.

Grenell called the probe “such a ‘swamp’ situation” in an interview on “Fox News Primetime,” and noted that Sussmann was only one of those involved that was the subject 63 transcripts that were released after Durham requested them.

“I hope that we have a lot of time to focus on these issues going forward. The media that pushed this, I don’t believe that the FBI officials were duped by an outside lawyer working with Hillary Clinton who lied about his client,” Grenell asserted.

“Michael Sussmann, whoever he is and whatever lie he told, we released his transcript … There is a treasure trove of information of people lying under oath in these,” he declared.

Grenell posited that the original Russia-gate probe carried on past September of 2016 not because of “some lawyer [lying] to the FBI about who he was working for – because the FBI leadership knew this information was wrong – they continued the investigation because it would help Hillary Clinton.”

“Everybody in Washington: lobbyists newsrooms, a whole bunch of people wanted Hillary to win. So what did they do? They allowed this opposition research to become part of the DOJ and FBI. That is so scary to think that politics permeated into the DOJ and to the FBI. This is what we call political prosecution and when it happens in third world countries we call it out,” he stated concerning the false weaponized information that was widely used by Democrats in an attempt to destroy Trump.

Host Lawrence Jones pointed a finger at Biden National Security Adviser Jacob J. Sullivan who served under Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state and then advised her 2016 campaign.

“Sussmann claimed [evidence presented to the FBI] it was a tip from a cybersecurity expert who had nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, even though he worked for her. Total coincidence, sure,” he remarked.

“I guess it is also a coincidence that Hillary tweeted about it around the same time: Jake Sullivan … signed off on that tweet. Now, that’s significant,” Jones added.

Clinton tweeted at the time that “computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank,” according to the Washington Examiner.

“This could be the most direct link yet between Donald Trump and Moscow… This secret hotline may be the key to unlocking the mystery of Trump’s ties to Russia… This line of communication may help explain Trump’s bizarre adoration of Vladimir Putin,” Sullivan wrote.

Fox News host Pete Hegseth said that this is exactly why Americans don’t trust bureaucrats like Sullivan or Fauci.

“The ones who were there in 2016 are the ones who are in the White House right now,” proclaimed Hegseth.

Trying to head off a conviction, Sussmann’s attorneys Sean Berkowitz and Michael Bosworth released a statement on Thursday claiming their client was indicted because of “politics, not facts.”

Journalist Glenn Greenwald summed up the whole sleazy conspiracy in one tweet, “In sum, a DNC-linked lawyer — partners with Clinton lawyer @marceelias — fabricated a Trump/Russia link, fed it to DNC operatives masquerading as journalists, had Hillary trumpet it, then lied to FBI about who he worked for.”

He also tweeted, “Along with the FBI lawyer who previously pled guilty for lying to the FISA court to spy on ex-Trump campaign official Carter Page, it’s clear that much of the criminality of Russiagate was not from any Trump/Russia collusion but by those who fabricated this conspiracy theory.”

According to the indictment, Sussmann provided then-FBI general counsel Jim Baker with two thumb drives and hard copies of materials, including a document Sussmann had assisted in writing, one written by a researcher and another written by the political research firm that was working for the Clinton campaign providing opposition research against Trump.

Sussmann, who is a former federal prosecutor who had worked at a law firm with strong ties to the Democratic Party, is the second person to be charged in special counsel John Durham’s investigation into the origins of the FBI’s Trump-Russia probe.

The indictment set social media ablaze with speculation and doubt:

For the entire article go to:

The collusion LIE





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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2021, 19:35
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19 Sept 2021, 19:35#6

Isn't it time for clowns like redrooi and redshark, our two nasty little commie twits, to apologize for all the drivel they posted about Trump and the Russian Collusion BS.

I hope all these liars get sued into oblivion.

Eric Trump: I didn’t know until Durham indicted Michael (Sussman) two days ago that this whole thing was actually done by the Clinton campaign. We had no idea where it came from. We worked with the FBI for a year, year-and-a-half, all of our IT vendors worked with the FBI. They wanted one thing, Maria. They wanted a headline in The New York Times or Washington Post saying, Donald Trump or the Trump organization under investigation by the FBI for ties with Russia which is exactly what they got. For the two years that went past that, Pulitzer Prizes were won by writers all over the country about their great reporting on the collusion between Trump and Russia. And we all know now it was funded by Hillary Clinton …The problem with the Democrats is they dig so deep they finally find themselves.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Sept 2021, 19:57
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19 Sept 2021, 19:57#7


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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
19 Sept 2021, 20:00
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19 Sept 2021, 20:00#8

She played Trump well. Trump used the deleted emails against her in 2016, but hell has no fury like a woman's scorn and this helped Trump's demise in 2020. 

Although going on live TV and telling people he is a medical expert - and then suggesting drinking bleach was all Trump's own doing. 

America has become a mess since Donald Trump. Will anyone ever trust elections again?
The red states say any Democratic victory is voter fraud. 

The red states want to ensure more conservative votes are counted, meaning victory- despite changing demographics. It is a form of Apartheid, that makes sure the collection of votes will only have one outcome. 

I am surprised Trump is not yet in jail, but the only way to improve the Republicans is to put him in jail out of the way. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2021, 20:55
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19 Sept 2021, 20:55#9

Clinton did not win -  So he did not serve her well enough.   

I want to see what the Arizona audit brings to light.    If major fraud is exposed  then the audit should be extended to all states so as to restore faith in the election system    Once the crooks know audits could be a problem that could expose them  the situation will improve to a level where trust is restored.    It will soon leave the Democrats in tatters  since they are the Mafia Party with fraud being top of their agenda.

What should Trump being in jail for?    Careful you  believed  the media lies  and wrote all kind of garbage as a result.    Make sure that media reports. are not the basis fir the above statement of yours on Trump.   You have been lied to by the media for five years on a 24/7  and it would still being unable to see it - indicates total idiocy.  .      

You know what a forensic audit  entails?        

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
19 Sept 2021, 23:38
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19 Sept 2021, 23:38#10
Many people will vote Republican or Democrat - regardless of who the candidate is.
The rich Republicans could not care less about the poor ones. 

Trump's bread and butter are the working-class white voters. He gets more votes from this segment than any other Republican candidate. He is the only reason it is not a landslide to the Democrats. 
Trump's base (not guaranteed Republican voters) contains most(all) of the white anti-vaxxer base, the unhinged religious conspiracists. His racist alt-right rhetoric and white nationalism are what they want to hear. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2021, 05:12
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20 Sept 2021, 05:12#11

You really must be kidding  or being extremely ignorant.    Trump in four  years has done more for the Black community than the Democrats did in forty years.   He has had the  job opportunities for them increased and did prison reform that the Democrats did not do for them ever.   He believed that a community such as the Blacks could be assisted to upgrade themselves and the Democrats believe in giving them .just enough money to keep them from starving and help them with grants and unemployment benefits, as well as foodstamps. - a typical Socialist approach that keep them poor and without hope.   

The Education system is way below par compared to other Western Countries and is ruined by being run by the Teachers Union - who in return give huge contributions to the Democrats in election years.   As a result  education in US schools for all races are atrocious and the fact is that the Rpubicans have helped thousands of Black children to attend private schools where a much better level of education is provided.

In January 2019 the Blacks in opinion polls indicated that they are moving away from the Democrats in increasing numbers and   that caused a storm of racist allegations  in the media.   It also let to the violence in cities through the terrorist subsidiaries of the Democrats.   Most of the businesses that were  looted and burned down belongs to Blacks and they were the main sufferers as a result of the murders, looting and arson organized and funded by the Democrats.  

Despite the propaganda of the Democrats the support level of Blacks in the election  in exit polls indicated that there was a 12% increase in the Black support for the Republicans amongst Blacks.   Since the election in only 9 months the drop in support represents a further decline of 15% in support of Blacks for the Democrats.     The Democrats also lost 23% support in the Hispanic communities according to the latest opinion polls.     

Your idea of the Republican base voters are totally distorted.    But that is not surprising since you obviously do not  know what is really happening.  The majority of middle class  and working class voters support  the Republicans - with the majority of black and Hispanic religious voters and  .the Jewish community supporting the Democrats.    Most of the rich and ultra-rich support the Democrats since they are corrupt and will always do what the capitalists benefit from that relationship.   For financial reasons they all have vast interests in countries like China and they support the Chinese dictatorship all out.   That is why Biden  and the Demcorats would never really do anything  to displease China.   There is a deadly silence  in the media  on the issue of  China sending their navy into the Formosa straight and is from the air dropping bombs on the area just outside the coast line of  Taiwan - all aimed at intimidation of Taiwan.   

The Chinese know they have nothing to fear from the Democrats and the Biden administration and that embolden them.   the attack on Taiwan is likely before the end of this year and the USA  forces  will not help Taiwan and capitulate.     Biden would claim that he would act  - but nothing will be done  by the USA to stop the Chinese in conquering Taiwan.

The Biden Administration has ostracized  a lot of their NATO allies after the Afghanistan fiasco and has  caused -

*   the UK Parliament to accept a motion of  contempt of  Biden unanimously - while the situation in Kabul caused a serious rift and distrust between the USA and the  UK  and EU armies;  

*   the  Dutch Foreign  Minister was forced to   resign because of what Biden did in his panic surrender to teh Taliban - their are still thousands of citizens of EU countries left behind in Afghanistan and that include the Netherlands, who were also upset by the  whole situation;

*     France withdrew its ambassadors from the USA and Australia because of the fall-out over construction of submarines for the Australia navy;

*     the Japanese are panicking about  the fact that the Chinese did the same against some islands belonging  to Japan as they are doing iro Taiwan and the  Japanese distrust he Biden administration totally;

*      the USA Government has undermined the so--called Abraham treaties negotiated with them  and  they are fearful of attacks by Iran thus disturbing and increasing the chances of another war in the ME;

*      India has had recent battles on the border with Chinese troops and the takeover of the Bagram base in Afghanistan by the Chinese are going to result in more serious clashes between China and India - with whom the Governments of the USA and India ensured that the USA will help India in the case of an attack by China - but that is not worth the paper the treaty is written on - since the Indians  believe that Biden will not honor the  US obligations iro the treaty.

I am sorry - the situation in the USA is in tatters because of maladministration  and the conduct of the  USA iro foreign affairs is a total disaster creating  uncertainty and  panic worldwide.   You would do well to read more widely what is really happening in the USA and worldwide and not believe the BS of the  fake media in the USA,                 





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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Sept 2021, 11:08
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20 Sept 2021, 11:08#12
Look no further than this thread in seeking a summary of VisKop’s character and intelligence.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Sept 2021, 11:59
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20 Sept 2021, 11:59#13

Frot viskop has no character and no intelligence. He is a lying completely hapless jackass!

Great post Mike. I would say you schooled this buffoon sharkTWIT but he is unteachable. As dumb as a rock

I am of course being far too polite!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Sept 2021, 12:26
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20 Sept 2021, 12:26#14
Beeno VisKop is exactly the type of seemingly reasonable, yet very stupid, person that was relied upon by all the leaders and spin doctors throughout history in bringing about calamitous consequences to nations. Here is a strong case for the inception and mass perpetuation of a lie that greatly helped in tarnishing the most powerful seat in the world. From a social, legal, security and economical standpoint, these indictments should be of great relevance to anyone with even a passing understanding of politics and the consequences of the corrupt type that is built on lies. Alas, the wanker indeed is too far gone. “Create for them a boogeyman and the masses will blind themselves to the truth.” One could write a thesis on that one quote but it could also be summed up very neatly… Stupid people will always be lead by the corrupt.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Sept 2021, 12:44
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20 Sept 2021, 12:44#15

Wehe . . . brainwashed sheep who still believe the 2020 election was stolen talking about other people being gullible or ignorant.

LMAO!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Sept 2021, 13:01
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20 Sept 2021, 13:01#16
Rooi, Were I to search, not that would because I don’t care enough, would I find posts on this site were you seemingly bought into the Russian collusion hoax?
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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
20 Sept 2021, 13:20
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20 Sept 2021, 13:20#17
The Trumpanzees need to pick up the pieces and move on with their lives. Trump lost, get over it. 
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Sept 2021, 13:29
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20 Sept 2021, 13:29#18
S’what I’m talking about. Haha tell us again about how MSM = the average = mostly likely to be correct. Damn I’m glad I wasn’t born with your voltage levels. Though, even if I was, surely I’d have the EQ to abstain from flaunting my dimness.
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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
20 Sept 2021, 14:51
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20 Sept 2021, 14:51#19




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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Sept 2021, 15:23
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20 Sept 2021, 15:23#20

"Rooi, were I to search, not that would because I don’t care enough, would I find posts on this site were you seemingly bought into the Russian collusion hoax?"

Well, I wouldn't have called it a "hoax" but sure, you won't even have to go back very far. I'll even help you . . . here you go.

I still maintain Bozo colluded with the Russians to get the dirt on Hillary that won him the 2016 election. It's no secret that I believe that. If you think your statement above is some kind of veiled threat then you haven't been paying attention.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2021, 16:22
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20 Sept 2021, 16:22#21

Roinek

This is about the 2016 election  and the Rusian Hoax that has been proved non-existent by Mueller and n ow the new special council came up with the fact that Clibnton was colluding with the Russians and not Trump.     That has now been proved beyond doubt - but you are too dumb to realize that it was a Democratic Party lie that you bought into lock stock and barrel without any evidence but the media lies spread over more than three years.   Your latest statement on that  issue is either stupid or idiotic.    So  you can decide on stupid - I believe you are an idiot believing  BS all the time.

You were told  repeatedly that the media was preaching fake news on the issue and that Clinton in fact is a murderous bitch - but you choose to believe her.    So Happy Idiots Day to you.

       

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2021, 16:35
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20 Sept 2021, 16:35#22

SB

If there is one thing in the world that is 100% true it is the fact that only idiots believe anything that the Democrats preach. - but never realize that they are as corrupt as hell and that has been proved time and again.  They are not ordinary lairs - they are habitual liars.   They have a record of crooking everything they touch - so I would not believe anything they say about the 2020 election till I see that the claims of the Republicans are false.

A forensic audit  goes much deeper  than just counting the votes - it looks at what happened in the voting process.    I would not be surprised at all if the election was crooked - from the Demcoratic Party Mafia you can expect anything - but I hope for the sake of demccracy that they are innocent.    The moment the audit report becomes available we will see what happened and I indeed  hope that they find nothing to upset the situation further.   If otherwise the matter will end up in the Supreme Court and all hell will break lose.                    

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Sept 2021, 17:14
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20 Sept 2021, 17:14#23
Edit “where” above. Haha I can see how you’d perhaps think I’m threatening you. Sadly, I just don’t have the energy for those kind of endeavours and was merely seeing if I remembered correctly as to your stance. Mine is simple… Politicians < Dogs < People < Law
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Sept 2021, 19:21
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20 Sept 2021, 19:21#24

It’s stunning that adults could imagine a billionaire with no substantial history with Russia, could put his whole family and his whole lifestyle at risk…..all to gain an edge in an election that at that time he was given a 20% chance of winning:


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The short answer is that 20 percent or 25 percent is a pretty reasonable estimate of Trump’s chances based on the polls and other empirical evidence. In fact, that’s quite close to where FiveThirtyEight’s statistical models, which are launching today, have the race. Our polls-only model has Trump with a 19 percent chance of beating Clinton as of early Wednesday afternoon. (The forecasts will continually update as new polls are added.) Our polls-plus model, which considers economic conditions along with the polls, is more optimistic about Trump, giving him a 26 percent chance.

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Believing that back in 2017, the person had to be a non worldly pinko. Believing that now after this latest evidence the person would have to be thick, stubborn, non worldly and a pathetic pinko.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
21 Sept 2021, 19:05
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21 Sept 2021, 19:05#25

mozart have not seen any reports on what is happening at the Bay in (Cuba) but Utube has numerous reports of action taking place regarding Hillary, Pondesa, Chelsea, Bill Gates and a few others.

Is their any truth in the Utube reports  (?) and are the Media just blocking any information that might be forthcoming?

Appreciated if you could reply.

Thanks.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Sept 2021, 00:18
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22 Sept 2021, 00:18#26
AJH
I googled the videos and noted that they came out n 2017 and was fake news.   Should have beeen the case - but unfortunately not true.     
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AJHPro3,183 posts
22 Sept 2021, 00:56
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22 Sept 2021, 00:56#27

Thanks Mike.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2021, 02:47
#28
22 Sept 2021, 02:47#28

Sorry Arthur just seen your question….I’m afraid I can’t anything to the discussion. Frankly I have tuned out a lot of the political stuff other than the Courts nothing serious is happening  until the mid terms.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
23 Sept 2021, 17:00
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23 Sept 2021, 17:00#29


Thanks.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2021, 18:36
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23 Sept 2021, 18:36#30

The leftist media is ignoring the charge and Madcow of MSNBC is  attacking Durham for disproving many of her thousands of lies over the past five years..

  They would not be very happy when after the court case the fake media will face libel lawsuits running into billions of dollars. That is certain to follow after this case.  


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