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The House Intelligence Committee's 2 reports are out

Started by clevermike5 REPLIES375 VIEWS· 04 Dec 2019, 11:44
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Dec 2019, 11:44
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04 Dec 2019, 11:44#1

So The first report was released by Chairman Schiff was about 300 pages in length.   According to this committee report there are uncontested evidence that Trump wanted to undermine the election campaign of Biden in the 2020 election campaign by withholding military assistance to Ukraine as a quid-pro-quo for investigation of the Biden's.

How uncontested  the evidence was is debatable.   Listening to the recordings of the Public testimony none of the witnesses had any real proof of anything - all their statements were related to what they assumed was happening.   They apparently tried to avoid totally the fact that the Biden's may be criminally involved in their Ukraine dealings.   The witnesses all stated they were not aware of the Burisma case and that is virtually unbelievable. 

The report also ignored the fact that the Ukrainian President denied repeatedly that there was no quid-pro-quo condition in any discussions he had with Trump.    How that adds up with the report of Schiff remains a total mystery.   However, in the last sentence  of the Schiff report he referred to a statement by George Washington about a person "usurping power" in the USA.   This could kill the whole story permanently - Trump was elected as President and did not usurp power and the fact is it confirms a statement that the DP never accepted the loss of Clinton in the 2016 election.  That statement was stupid in capital letters and is going to damage the DP in the 2020 election.  

The minority report of the RP indicates to issue - that there was no proof provided by any witness on the issue of linking the weapons issue to the Biden campaign and neither was there  any proof of it actually happening.   They also said disturbing evidence of a link between Schiff and the whistleblower should be dealt with as well.   The fact is the Biden's were suspects in criminality to which Trump referred to after Zelensky raised the issue said only that he heard about the issue and if what he heard was correct it is deeply disturbing.   He added that Giuliani has evidence on the issue and President Zelenski could call him  if he wants the info.

The fact that Trump asked for the favour he referred to related to the 2016 election - not the 2020 election.

  The latest issue that came to light is the link between Burisma and Schiff and there are serious questions about the link between Schiff and Boris Stepanek - a arms manufacturer in Ukraine who benefitted hugely from previous financial assistance to Ukraine by the Obama administration.   

 


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Dec 2019, 12:38
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04 Dec 2019, 12:38#2

The report also ignored the fact that the Ukrainian President denied repeatedly that there was no quid-pro-quo condition in any discussions he had with Trump.

You sure?


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Dec 2019, 14:02
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04 Dec 2019, 14:02#3

Zelensky said so at least three times as published in the media.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Dec 2019, 14:30
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04 Dec 2019, 14:30#4

Great post Mike. 

The demonrats look to be marching over a cliff! 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Dec 2019, 14:32
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04 Dec 2019, 14:32#5

Yes Zelensky denied any pressure and any quid pro quo. 

Sondland Schiff's star witness and the only one with direct evidence was told by President Trump that the President wanted NOTHING FROM UKRAINE AND NO QUID PRO QUP.

GAME SET AND MATCH. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Dec 2019, 14:36
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04 Dec 2019, 14:36#6

What is so laughable is Sondland and others said they presumed, their opinion etc but NO REAL EVIDENCE Worst of all the subordinates expressed their belief the President's policy was wrong.

People should ultimately hang for plotting a COUP. 

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