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The Impeachment Trial in the Senate

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jan 2020, 10:36
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22 Jan 2020, 10:36#1

The hammering of poor Adam Schiff by the lawyers of Trump has already started and they have not even got to the Articles of Impeachment yet.   The bugger is made to look silly as the stupid arse he really is, 


The DP realizes that the present articles is totally baseless and wants to continue with a fishing expedition hoping that's something will come up,   They want to call witnesses before the present articles of Impeachment are dealt with and proposed that witnesses be called now.  This was totally different to the 1998 Impeachment trial of Clinton where the process of witnesses was decided upon by the Senate after the evidence supplied by the House was considered.  


Both motions about the issue of calling new witnesses now was defeated 53 - 47,  Not a good sign for the Democrats, while CNN has a fit about it and praising Schiff for his performance.  Nadler said nothing thus far.   


The love for the Constitution thus far is amazing - they undermine it and want to undermine rewrite it constantly and destroy it in their routine actions - but is not making any headway,              

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Jan 2020, 12:10
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22 Jan 2020, 12:10#2

A total waste of time.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jan 2020, 12:19
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22 Jan 2020, 12:19#3

Now Nadler got it in the turtle neck.  He spoke about presidential privilege as nonsense and was reminded of the Supreme Court ruling on the issue.   It was also used by Clinton and Obama and was never queried by the Democrats.   

However, a shouting match erupted and the Chief Justice eventually intervened and reminded the House Manger and the President's  legal representatives of the need for decorum in dealing with issues.

Senator Schumer submitted ni ne amendments to the proceedings used in the Clintomn case in 1998 - but all of those were rejected by the Senate.

Now the presentation of the Articles of Impeachment is starting today - 3 days is set aside by the Senate for that purpose an the fun and games would really start.  The process is as follows:-

*   The House Managers present their case

*    The President's legal team counter the allegations

*    Senators submit written questions to both parties and the answers must then be provided,

This is going to be fun to watch.  The show starts at 20:00 hours SA time and CNN si going to show it, breaking away only when the Trump lawyers put their case,   Weird how propaganda works,      .

           

    

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
22 Jan 2020, 12:59
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22 Jan 2020, 12:59#4
So far not a single Republican with any spine or integrity. 
All proposed amendments rejected on pure party lines so it looks like no documents and no witnesses. Not much of a trial in that case. Republicans happy to be part of a massive cover up.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jan 2020, 13:12
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22 Jan 2020, 13:12#5

Mike it's been hilarious. 

The halfwit demonrat clowns said their case was overwhelming. 

Now they say the must get additional witnesses!

The case was so urgent but they sit on it for 33 days. 

The Constitution requires the House to make the case and the Senate to review the case.

The demonrat bone heads never subpoenaed the guys they now want!!!! Now they want the Senate to do it for them. Hahahahaha.

Then the Constitutional principle of Executive Privilege must be ignored just because the demonrats were afraid to take the matter to court!!! Bwhahahahaha.

The that arch clown and liar Schiff says never mind about the totally biased House procedures, forget about that he says what counts is what happens now. Hahahahaha. 

No crimes have been argued in the two reasons for impeachment. They have no case and no evidence. 

As Radcliffe said its like taking a hammer to crush a fly. Trump's lawyers are going to shred these clowns as they have already started to do. Too funny! 

Hearing Schiff lying and his faux outrage had me in stitches. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Jan 2020, 13:36
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jan 2020, 13:48
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Draad that picture didn't work, cant see it

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
22 Jan 2020, 13:58
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22 Jan 2020, 13:58#8
Here you go . . .

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jan 2020, 14:08
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22 Jan 2020, 14:08#9

Rooinek

No cover up needed - the Democrats  invented Articles of Impeachment and the problem is that the DP is now looking for further evidence through a fishing expedition to back up their claims.   If witnesses is to be called there is scope for it later in the Impeachment trial.  

Why do you think that the Democrats want to veer from the processes adopted in the case of the Clinton Senate Trial - where witnesses were called after the impeachment articles were dealt with?

The other process the Democrats wants changed is the way that the Senate witnesses has to submit statements under oath and other evidence supporting their claims and the documents are then dealt with.   Will not work either I am afraid,   

The main problems will arise from today onwards for the next three days when the Democrats from the House must state  their case and the Presidents legal team will deal with the defense of the President,   The problem is that thus far the Democrats used generalized statements with no   legal substance through  a show trial method and that did not work and is not going to work.

Shumer and Schiff is up to their necks in the "whistleblower" story and that is going to cause fireworks over the next three days.   Why was the "whistleblower" - if indeed there was one - not called to give evidence in the House?   Why is the evidence provided by the IG of Intelligence not included in the Impeachment documents sent to the Senate?   This evidence was taken in secret without any representative of the RP being allowed to make any inputs or ask any questions.  So why is it missing from the impeachment articles submitted to the Senate?   

Nobody is creeping up anybody's arse.   Anything like this must be done constitutionally and on a sound legal basis.   The House did not use that basis in framing Articles of Impeachment and  now the Democrats wants the Senate to do the same.   If their method is followed every President will in future be impeached if the House being controlled by the Party opposed to him. That is BS - if the Democrats wants an impeachment they need to follow the rules and not create new rules as the process goes on.  

By the way the real reason for the Impeachment is that the Democrats with their shit candidates know they have no chance against Trump in the elections in  November and want him out of the way by hook or by crook.   Not a sound reason for trying impeachment at all and bound to backfire on them.                        

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jan 2020, 16:15
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22 Jan 2020, 16:15#10

Well said Mike. 

Honesty is not something ou rooibozo is familiar with. He has just been caught out big time lying about his son and affirmative action. 

Next week is going to be very bad for the demonrat coup plotters and their absurd sham impeachment. 


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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
22 Jan 2020, 18:13
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22 Jan 2020, 18:13#11
99% of the viewers are Trumpanzees. They are glued to their seats watching their master. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jan 2020, 18:31
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22 Jan 2020, 18:31#12

SB

Trump is in Davos - not at the trial  

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
22 Jan 2020, 18:40
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
22 Jan 2020, 18:44
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
22 Jan 2020, 18:45
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Jan 2020, 19:19
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22 Jan 2020, 19:19#16

 


Oh my, but you've got a bad case of TDS!

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Jan 2020, 20:07
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22 Jan 2020, 20:07#17

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jan 2020, 01:29
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23 Jan 2020, 01:29#18

The fact is that the House Managers used statements by some people evidence given by their agents,  They do not even know the names of people from the Ukraine and did not keep near to the truth about the issues involved and they are going to come short.

      

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jan 2020, 01:30
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23 Jan 2020, 01:30#19

The fact is that the House Managers used statements by some people evidence given by their agents,  They do not even know the names of people from the Ukraine and did not keep near to the truth about the issues involved and they are going to come short.

I gain the impression that the DNC and the House members involved was determined that Biden must be the Democratic candidate and that they do not want to see the dirty dealings of the Biden's to be exposed during the campaign,  

The first priority is getting rid of Trump - there next one the protection of Biden in case his corrupt dealings come out during the election.   The House never investigated the Burisma issue and the corrupt leadership of the FBI and CIA would not do so for the same reason.  

The conveniently also forget that there will be a number of criminal charges laid stemming from the 2016 election soon and also refused a request  for the IG of Justice to give evidence in the House,   They will get it eventually that the DNC and Obama colluded with foreigners to try an d ensure that Trump loses.                  

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 Jan 2020, 11:00
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23 Jan 2020, 11:00#20
The most important and also the first witness that has been withheld and hidden away......... the whistleblower him/herself. That is despite Schiff himself saying several timed on every news network and to every news outlet that the whistle blower will personally testify and be heard. I haven’t heard either of Schiff or Schumer saying anything. PS. Is it a coincidence that the start of Schiff and Schumer both rhyme with shit?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jan 2020, 11:14
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23 Jan 2020, 11:14#21

I have watched Lou Dobbs, Hannity and Ingraham. 

Honestly disaster looms for the Demonrats. Outstanding clips. 

Mike and Windpomp towards the end of the Laura Ingraham clip there is huge news about the Bidens. Laura has managed to get hold of State Department emails that show the Obummer administration's concerns about Hunter. Also NYT role in the matter. The Bidens are definitely finished. 

Oh yes poor old sharktwit is a profoundly ignorant jackass. In case he doesn't know. Hahahahaha. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jan 2020, 16:34
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23 Jan 2020, 16:34#22

Tonight show start at 8 - it is no clear whether President Trump's lawyers  may only make their  presentation or whether they also have the right to ask questions and whether  there will eb tme for the Schiff group to ask questions too.

I think the questions by the lawyers will be even more interesting than those asked by the Senators. Senator Graham asked for transcripts of three Biden phone calls to President Zelenski after the home of the chair of Burisma was raided and before his visit to Ukraine where he demanded the dismissal of the Ukraine Chief Prosecutor.  Shokin.   Wonder whether he got it.  

One of the House Manager discussing the incident referred to Lusenko  as the fired Prosecutor.  The fact is they did their homework badly,   He also named the Ukraine President as Vladimir Zelesky got it wrong too.  Zelensky's name in Ukrainian is Vlodomyrr.  Ye pronounciation si different and as per normal poor homework,

I did not know the USA and Russia are in  in a state  of war between each other,  Is Schi ff trying to start such a war on instruction of Soros?     

   

       

  

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jan 2020, 18:09
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
23 Jan 2020, 20:28
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23 Jan 2020, 20:28#24

The Trumpanzees are stuck to their seats in anticipation... 

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is watching little to nothing of the trial




CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jan 2020, 06:19
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24 Jan 2020, 06:19#25

The problem is once an idiot ways an idiot,  It was Clinton who started the foreign borne story  about Obama in the primary elections in 2008 - not Trump.   He had it checked out and stated that there was no problem,   So the BS continues on all levels.     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jan 2020, 06:19
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24 Jan 2020, 06:19#26

The Democrats were given twenty four hours to present their case and spent their first eight hours wasting their opportunity,   They yesterday had another 8 hours and the last tine I looked at CNN one was talking about the history of  Ukraine of which she obviously knew nothing about.   

After the silly earlier statement of Schiff about the pending Russian land attack on the USA, the situation is getting sillier and sillier,

Wonder what the Democrats will do with the remaining 8 hours they have to state their case?  I think the Republicans were giving them the 24 hours just to hang themselves.   If I were them I would give up the remaining 8 hours today,                 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Jan 2020, 14:42
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24 Jan 2020, 14:42#27
The longer this goes on the more the case of the DemoKKKrats look like turning into toast.
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AJHPro3,183 posts
26 Jan 2020, 19:01
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26 Jan 2020, 19:01#28

Irrespective of who or how many are watching or following this trial finally the TRUTH is going to prevail and all the untruths are going to be exposed.

It is shameful and disturbing to hear these Demorats making up stories, embellishing lies and showing their hatred for the President to the world. 

No politician who has any class would stoop as low as these Democratic vermin.

It is obvious to all (except the Snowflakes) that the Democratic political party is made up of members who have no allegiance to the USA, the Flag or democracy.

Their aim is to fill their pockets, lie, cheat, steal and terminate anyone or anything that stands in their way and gain control of the government with any means possible.

Examples Walters, Green, Polisi, Pencil Neck, Humpty Dumpty, Biden, Obama, Clinton, Kerry, the Media and Holder to name just a few.

  SCUMBAGS to the core.

READY, AIM............FIRE, FIRE, FIRE.

Four More Years.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jan 2020, 20:11
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26 Jan 2020, 20:11#29

I'm am very worried about  the opinion polls that keep on indicating that Trump will not win re-election.

The only way he can lose is if his supporters do not work hard on his behalf and convince their neighbors and all people they know to support him.   If I look at comments on Fox News one realizes how many people brainwashed by the Trump-hating media there are,  

Trump  can only win if every supporter do his or her  work and  work exceptionally hard for him.  On the positive side - I think that the Senate is going to have an investigation done as to the Biden issue and he may not be the DP candidate in the end.                

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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
27 Jan 2020, 00:11
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
27 Jan 2020, 04:38
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
27 Jan 2020, 04:39
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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
27 Jan 2020, 04:45
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Jan 2020, 20:48
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27 Jan 2020, 20:48#34
Gutless Republican Cowards and Arselickers: "There is no evidence of a quid pro quo, only hearsay."
Adam Schiff: "Well then let's put John Bolton under oath and hear what he has to say. That wouldn't be hearsay, that would be testimony from the horse's mouth/"
Gutless Republican Cowards and Arselickers: "Oh but we're not here to hear new evidence and why didn't Bolton testify to the House?"
Adam Schiff: "Ummm . . . because the White House refused to let him testify . . . along with Don McGahn and Mick Mulvaney/"
Gutless Republican Cowards and Arselickers: "Buh-buh-but if you wanted to hear Bolton's testimony you could have gone to court."

Adam Schiff: "As we've seen with McGahn, that process would take so long that the very election that Trump is trying to influence would be over already. Let's call John Bolton as a witness now because his testimony is pertinent, relevant and important to this impeachment trial."
Gutless Republican Cowards and Arselickers: "Bolton's a liar and he's just trying to promote his book."

Adam Schiff: "But you haven't even heard what he's got to say yet?"
Gutless Republican Cowards and Arselickers: "This is all a hoax. It's not fair. Look at the economy!"

That is pretty much the gist of what's happened in the last few days. Republicans burying their heads in the sand and pretending they're not part of a massive cover-up because they're a bunch of cowards and arselickers. Looks like Mitt Romney and one or two others might show a bit of backbone and vote to allow the Bolton testimony that would blow the Republican's pathetic "defence" out of the water . . . and then we'll finally be where I predicted we'd end up . . . Republicans finally admitting that the "perfect phone call" wasn't actually that perfect but doesn't constitute impeachment.
Watch this space . . .



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Jan 2020, 21:22
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27 Jan 2020, 21:22#35

If they so badly want Bolton to testify, why not offer Hunter Biden to testify in exchange?

Why should the Trump admin cooperate with a process in Congress that doesn't even allow council for the accused?

 Bolton was never subpoenaed in the first place...The impeachment of a president is a very serious affair and if they have to go to court to get a witness to testify, that's what they have to do. If it takes time, that's what it takes. The law should run it's course.  Due process is there for a reason.

This isn't about impeaching Trump really...they know they have nothing. This is about impeding his presidency and putting him in a bad light. This is about appeasing their gullible base. This BS is a last desperate ploy to try and make him look bad, and it's not working.

They've been accusing him of all sorts of things for tree years now, without offering one piece of credible evidence to support their nonsense.  Why should the Senate have this charade continue? They had their chance to submit evidence in Congress.  Why didn't they?

 Hunter and Daddy Quid Pro Joe are going down... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.  Watch this space...

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Jan 2020, 22:25
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27 Jan 2020, 22:25#37
Question for the brainwashed Trumpanzees . . . what has Hunter or Joe Biden got to do with the impeachment articles in question?
Whether the Bidens are 100% guilty of corruption or not has absolutely zero bearing or relevance to the charges against Bozo of holding back aid for Ukraine or obstruction of justice.
Zero!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jan 2020, 23:52
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27 Jan 2020, 23:52#38

Nonsense...American aid is contingent on the recipient not engaging in corruption. If the government at the time fired the prosecutor to protect the corrupt activities of Biden and their friends in Burisma, the administration is obligated to insist that those activities be investigated.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Jan 2020, 08:53
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28 Jan 2020, 08:53#39

"Whether the Bidens are 100% guilty of corruption or not has absolutely zero bearing or relevance to the charges against Bozo of holding back aid for Ukraine or obstruction of justice."

Well sorry for being pedantic, but that's not the actual articles of impeachment against him.

"The first article charges him with abuse of power for pressuring Ukraine to assist him in his re-election campaign by damaging Democratic rivals. The second article charges him with obstruction of Congress for blocking testimony and refusing to provide documents in response to House subpoenas in the impeachment inquiry."

 If the Charges against the Bidens are in fact legitimate, it was his duty to investigate it...and it is yet to be proven that he was holding back aid to pressurize the Ukrainians...there is absolutely no evidence of any of it. There is no probable cause to subpoena White House staff in order to try and prove something the Dems think (and hope) might have happened, because they have no hope of beating him in the up coming election. Pathetic misuse of a majority in Congress.

Rooi, have you read the whole transcript of the conversation and if you did, do you believe it's an accurate transcript of the actual conversation?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
28 Jan 2020, 09:18
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28 Jan 2020, 09:18#40
Same old Trumpanzee nonsense . . . there's no evidence that Bozo withheld the aid . . . but we definitely don't want to hear from the person who can provide that evidence!
It's laughable.
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