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The implications of the Charging of Trump

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Aug 2023, 10:15
#1
10 Aug 2023, 10:15#1

The following  from the New York Times  indicates what is really going  on with the charges and indictments of Trump:-

In a New York Times guest essay, former assistant attorney general in the George W. Bush administration Jack Goldsmith argued that the Biden administration's push to prosecute former President Donald Trump may be a "tragic" one that could have "terrible consequences" for America.

Goldsmith warned the prosecution may backfire even if it results in a conviction of the former president. 

He worried that the effort will likely paint the Department of Justice as an "irretrievably politicized institution" for much of the country that already view the department with suspicion following the Russian collusion investigation into Trump and seeming softball treatment of Hunter Biden’s scandals. 

Additionally, the essay voiced concerns that Trump's prosecution may lead to future administrations and Congress pursuing tit-for-tat investigations, and an era where politics are increasingly "criminalized."

Goldsmith began his piece with the warning for those eager to see Trump punished, writing, "It may be satisfying now to see Special Counsel Jack Smith indict former President Donald Trump for his reprehensible and possibly criminal actions in connection with the 2020 presidential election. But the prosecution, which might be justified, reflects a tragic choice that will compound the harms to the nation from Mr. Trump’s many transgressions."

Before noting the consequences, the author mentioned the shakiness of DOJ Special Counsel Jack Smith’s case against Trump, stating, "Mr. Smith’s indictment outlines a factually compelling but far from legally airtight case against Mr. Trump. The case involves novel applications of three criminal laws and raises tricky issues of Mr. Trump’s intent, of his freedom of speech and of the contours of presidential power."

Goldsmith added, "If the prosecution fails (especially if the trial concludes after a general election that Mr. Trump loses), it will be a historic disaster."

But even if the prosecution is successful, the author wrote, "the costs to the legal and political systems will be large."

Goldsmith argued that the Biden administration is clearly prompting the indictment and making it look political. "There is no getting around the fact that the indictment comes from the Biden administration when Mr. Trump holds a formidable lead in the polls to secure the Republican Party nomination and is running neck and neck with Mr. Biden," he wrote.

The former Bush official observed, "This deeply unfortunate timing looks political and has potent political implications even if it is not driven by partisan motivations. And it is the Biden administration’s responsibility, as its Justice Department reportedly delayed the investigation of Mr. Trump for a year and then rushed to indict him well into G.O.P. primary season."

He also claimed, "The unseemliness of the prosecution will likely grow if the Biden campaign or its proxies uses it as a weapon against Mr. Trump if he is nominated."

Goldsmith also noted the context within which this prosecution is happening. He stated, "This is all happening against the backdrop of perceived unfairness in the Justice Department’s earlier investigation, originating in the Obama administration, of Mr. Trump’s connections to Russia in the 2016 general election."

He also mentioned "the perceived unfairness in the department’s treatment of Mr. Biden’s son Hunter, where the department has once again violated the cardinal principle of avoiding any appearance of untoward behavior in a politically sensitive investigation."

Those two realities are "the context in which a very large part of the country will fairly judge the legitimacy of the Justice Department’s election fraud prosecution of Mr. Trump," the essay argued. 

As such, Goldsmith surmised, "These are some of the reasons the Justice Department, however pure its motivations, will likely emerge from this prosecution viewed as an irretrievably politicized institution by a large chunk of the country."

He added, "Its predicament will now likely grow much worse because the consequences of its election-fraud prosecution are so large, the taint of its past actions so great and the potential outcome for Mr. Biden too favorable."

In addition to the DOJ looking political, he claimed the prosecution "will likely inspire ever-more-aggressive tit-for-tat investigations of presidential actions in office by future Congresses and by administrations of the opposite party, to the detriment of sound government." 

Goldsmith also wrote that "It may also exacerbate the criminalization of politics," and explained, "Exaggeration and truth-shading in the facilitation of self-serving legal arguments or attacks on political opponents have always been commonplace in Washington. Going forward, these practices will likely be disputed in the language of, and amid demands for, special counsels, indictments and grand juries."

Maybe if BB and SB read and understand the above they may realize that what is ha happening  in the USA  is a direct threat against Democracy.   There is ample proof that t he Justice Department and F BI have been politicized and are used to undermine  opposition to Biden in the upcoming election in 2024.    The charges laid n fact combines into real political hogwash.    But it si not only against Trump that the FBI is used.   It ges much wider.

According to a FIC report 2.8 million people has been investigated for "domestic terrorism" because they objected to what the Biden Administration want children to be taught at school undermining  parents and emphasizing sex change promotion and other sex by the Jstice Departmment  and th e FBI.    ual material in schools.   The army even organize drag queen shows for  children living on army bases and when people object they are targeted                        

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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
10 Aug 2023, 11:47
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10 Aug 2023, 11:47#2
The Trumpanzees are being cancelled, when their master goes to jail.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Aug 2023, 13:42
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10 Aug 2023, 13:42#3
Lock him up!
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
10 Aug 2023, 15:13
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10 Aug 2023, 15:13#4

Another piece showing the tragic situation liberals are. Liberals have been speaking a lot since 1776 and before about who they are supposed to be.

All this keeps revealing a massive self perception problem.

Already reported about a poll showing that a majority of US Citizens accept that charges against Trump are not made out of thin air. yet would prefer him not to be tried.

He worried that the effort will likely paint the Department of Justice as an "irretrievably politicized institution"

Donald Junior Trump is a political person. He is indicted for political matter. His trial can not be but political. As being politized, it takes a lot of imagination not to think that it will be not factionalized.

It is a big time for liberals: just as SA rugby struggle to show that they can be something else than an association to the Apartheid, liberals struggle to show they are different from 1776.

Massive problem: liberals showing they do not believe in their own creed.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
10 Aug 2023, 15:14
#5
10 Aug 2023, 15:14#5

Another point: liberals in order to cajole themselves start to deny the eminent nature of politics. They would like politics to disappear.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Aug 2023, 15:14
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10 Aug 2023, 15:14#6

 

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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
10 Aug 2023, 15:33
#7
10 Aug 2023, 15:33#7

Conservative politicians are panicking because the people under 50 are more liberal than ever.
Sure some people get more conservative as they get older, but this is not the case in the last 20 years or so. 

Hopefully, new conservative parties will form that have more focus than just ensuring the richest pay little to no tax

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Aug 2023, 15:37
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10 Aug 2023, 15:37#8

The top 1 percent earned 22.2 percent of total AGI and paid 42.3 percentof all federal income taxes. In all, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined.


…….

Keeping it real.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
10 Aug 2023, 15:39
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10 Aug 2023, 15:39#9

Taxes come in different flavours.

Nevertheless, taxation in the US is unecessary due to the USD.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
11 Aug 2023, 06:41
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11 Aug 2023, 06:41#10

In all, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined.


…….

Keeping it real.

An expectation may be that all this jazz reflects the repartition of wealth.

When a segment of a population owns as much as 90 per cent of the population, it is expected it shows in taxation.

Now the remark may hint at a will for this to change.

Liberals and equality which is as everything else affected by liberal double standards.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Aug 2023, 09:05
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11 Aug 2023, 09:05#11

Mozz again showing what an elitist fraud he is. 

Jimmy Dore is doing his best but still doesn't quite get it. He wo drts why Biden supports a Marxist like Biden. I just Jimmy could see the clip where Lula calls for. Workd Government to deal with imate Change. The Biden Regime andula are on the same Globalist team.

The legal case against Trump is absurd. I particularly look forward to Trump lawyers bring forth the vast amount of evidence regarding massive election fraud. Having seen quite a lot of this evidence being presented it is there. 

America is waking up. The ONLY question now is can the Demonrats rig another election on an even bigger scale. 

Bye the way the NYT has Trump and Biden level. However if you don't over sample democrats he leads Biden by 6 or more. 

The remarks of frotters sharktwit, Rooitwit and Blobbrain come as no surprise. They are nasty little far left Marxists made for slavery! 


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Aug 2023, 09:06
#12
11 Aug 2023, 09:06#12

When a far left rag like the NYT is worried you know it's very bad for the Demonrats. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Aug 2023, 09:11
#13
11 Aug 2023, 09:11#13

Sums up Biden, hero of the pe rvs! 

 Great Biden Photo

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