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The Moral and Strategic Calculus of Voting for Joe Biden to Defeat Trump — or Not

Started by sharkbok10 REPLIES451 VIEWS· 20 Apr 2020, 21:14
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
20 Apr 2020, 21:14
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20 Apr 2020, 21:14#1

https://theintercept.com/2020/04/20/donald-trump-joe-biden-2020-presidential-election-voting/

This article compares another 4 years of Trump vs a Biden presidency. 

The author thinks Biden is useless, but with a strong vice president and team he might be able to barely pass as a president. He also has the endorsement of Obama which should get some votes, almost like a rerun of the Obama years. 

He says Biden is a liar, has to read from dummy cards when at press conferences and waffles about nothing most of the time- especially as he has gotten older. 

The author positions Biden as centre to centre-right. (Not left). 

He sees Trump as extreme right, just out to enrich the global corporations. 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Apr 2020, 21:25
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20 Apr 2020, 21:25#2

Biden is a liar, has to read from dummy cards when at press conferences and waffles about nothing most of the time

America's best presidential candidate, ladies and gentlemen

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Apr 2020, 21:37
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20 Apr 2020, 21:37#3

But seriously, how has the mighty Yooonited States of America reached a point where its two top choices for president are a pussy grabbing business buffoon and a kiddie fiddling senile imbecile?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2020, 22:11
#4
20 Apr 2020, 22:11#4

SB

The way the DP conducted themselves in the past  and especially corruption leave no room for morality on their part.  The mere fact that the writer think the DP has some moral values ia unbelievable  

Obama's endorsement of  Biden may not count in his favour and may be a drawback since there are serious allegations of corruption in his administration that is still being investigated,   The whole effort of the Democrats has been to ensure that the widely known misconduct is not being investigated,

As to the issue of having a senile person as President - this will just not work,   In terms of the US Constitution the elected President is the Commander-in-Chief if the US Army and the VP has no role in that.   Who will be the  VP candidate?   Maybe the DP wants Obama's wife as VP and that would cause even greater problems for them,   

The DP is in a critical condition.   Because of factionalism  they have no real policies by which they could advance the interests of the ordinary people. The only thing they have in common is their hatred of Trump,   That is why to take them seriously will be a bad joke.  

You still seems to believe the crap about left wing and right wing policies,   The fact is based on policy the Republicans can be regarded as center-rightwing with Trump being considered by right wing elements in the USA as too liberal in his approach,   The Democrats has no real policy because of factionalism in the Party,  They have basically the -

*   Socialists embodied by the followers of Sanders who are in fact supporters of Communism without the normal tendency of Communist nationalism  - the only faction in the USA  that sides for instance with the Cuba and Venezuela Regimes and i s supported by Antifa, basically an anarchist group and their private army; 

*   The leftists Group comprising the Obama and Clinton faction whose policies are determined by the highest bidder and inherently corrupt; and

*    The leftist element that is basically against the far-left Sanders faction. and not really at home  in the corrupt faction.

The loudest group in the party is the far-left elements that has the support of Soros - but the latter also influences the corrupt faction through bribery and corruption and a determined effort  to break down criminal prosecution in the USA,  The Obama and Clinton faction is pro-China as was emphasized  by Biden after a visit to China when he said "Get real -  China is no threat to the USA",   This group includes Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff as well - with Schiff being virtually employed by Soros and taking instructions from him. 

Even though basically socialist in their approach the third faction  can be compared to the leftist elements of the Labour Party in the UK - ie the socialist supporters of Jeremy Corbyn,   This group has really no policy and is lead by the nose by the other two more organized factions,

The reason why the party establishment support  the election from the Obama faction of Biden as candidate is that he is weak, virtually senile and manageable by the DNC.  In the end the Obama faction will appoint the VP candidate and there are some real beauties amongst the candidates mentioned. 

                              

                 

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Apr 2020, 10:48
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21 Apr 2020, 10:48#5

First of all you have to start with the news outlet that published this. It is a highly anti establishment setup that does a lot of good investigative reporting but their flaws come out when they do opinion pieces. Something that is typical of most, if not all news outlets, including those on the right. The guys at the Intercept are not even just left leaning. They are progressives, hardline socialist Bernie supporters and definitely hardline anti-Trump. 

They would support Eric Swalwell (Fartwell) ahead of Trump. 

As I said, their opinion pieces are useless but their investigative work is really good. That is probably because one of their founder members is Glen Greenwald. The guy who helped Edward Snowden expose his shit. He is also one of the few journalists on the left who did not buy into the Russia hoax. He called it BS from day one. Same with the Ukraine impeachment BS. I watched and read a lot of his investigative work but totally ignore him opinion pieces. 

Glen Greenwald and Aron Mateo, another socialist but highly objective investigative  journo, talk Russiagate. 


Glen Greenwald on a leftie outlet on Trump and Russiagate more than a year before the final Mueller report: 

  


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Apr 2020, 11:54
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21 Apr 2020, 11:54#6

But Shark, they flashed Biden's face three times on CNN and twice on the BBC today.

That's sufficient to qualify him as your hero and I'm sure your donating to his campaign as we speak.

Just leave some cash for your other hero Hillary. She'll need it soon.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Apr 2020, 12:16
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21 Apr 2020, 12:16#7


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Apr 2020, 12:28
#8
21 Apr 2020, 12:28#8

Hahahaha

That is an insta-share to all my contacts Cera. 

Has my vote for meme of 2020.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2020, 16:40
#9
21 Apr 2020, 16:40#9

Plim 

Neither Biden nor Clinton need any cash - they have enough lolly already  through bribery and corruption to last for three generations of huge spendng sprees.      

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Apr 2020, 23:42
#10
21 Apr 2020, 23:42#10

We cannot bash Joe and let Skeletor go free. 


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Apr 2020, 23:45
#11
21 Apr 2020, 23:45#11

No free pass for Crying Chuck either. 


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