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The potential peaceagreement in Ukraine

Started by clevermike4 REPLIES662 VIEWS· 17 Aug 2025, 17:40
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2025, 17:40
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17 Aug 2025, 17:40#1

Unlike the accusations levelled against Trump there is one fact that predates the 2022 invasion of Ukraine in Febrirary 2023 and that relates to what happened after the coup in 2014. The following areas were never under Central Govenment cnmtrol since 2014:-


  1. The Crimea
  2. Parts of the Donesk and Luhanks Oblasts.


Parts of the Kershon and Zaporizia Oblasts were also not under control of the Kiev Government, with conmtrol being exercized by the Governemnt li,ited to in Kershon and Mariopol.


According to Initial comments from EU countries the fact is that the areas never under control the Kiev Gopvernement will not be handed back to Ukraine and the rest of the negotiations relates to conquered areas resulting from the Russan invasion of Ukraine in 2022, The Russians and Ukrainians distrust each other and Trump and the NATO allies will have a dificult task in determine he future border between Ukraine and Russia - but certain geeographcal areas such as rivers can impact on which areas will be under whom.


=Trump is meeting Zelebskyy tomorrow andd by now Trmps advisors would ahve informed their European counterparts about what areas Ukraine should retain and what areas will be regarded as part fof Russia,


The Crimea will never be handed back to Ukraine - it never was internally Governed by the Kiev Govenment from 1991 and any idea that the territory should be regarded as part of Ukraine had near to zero support of the people of the Crimea,






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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
17 Aug 2025, 19:06
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17 Aug 2025, 19:06#2

This product of Apartheid loves Putin....

Russia, the biggest country in the world, but a degenerate economy that relies on the sale of fossil fuels, and now wants to take more territory. Run by ex-KGB Agents, Russia underachieves, but wants to be a world power.


Once clean energy becomes more cost-effective, Russia' pisspost economy is doomed.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2025, 21:45
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17 Aug 2025, 21:45#3

SB


I can insult you - but I don't like Putin. I like recorded history and that is what I apply when looking at things, I stay away from the media and have adequate knowedge how politics have skrewed the truth by spreading BS. ,


Second your lament that clean enegy becomes more cost-effective and the answer is simple - it will never happen,


Forget about something straight from media, The only effective clean energy is nuclear energy - the rest are a waste of farm land not worth implementing.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
17 Aug 2025, 22:18
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17 Aug 2025, 22:18#4

DumbMike, and an electric car is just one example of clean energy replacing fossil fuels at a comparable cost. It is expect that this technology will in time continue to get cheaper, unlike oil.


If everyone stopped using petrol and diesel cars and switched to electric vehicles (EVs), the environmental impact would be substantial:


  1. Significant Carbon Emissions Reduction: In the UK, if all cars were electric, national carbon emissions could drop by almost 12%—equivalent to 42 million tonnes less CO? annually. Globally, since road vehicles account for nearly three-fourths of transport emissions, electrification would dramatically cut transport sector emissions.


  1. Cleaner Air: Electric vehicles produce zero tailpipe emissions, eliminating pollutants like nitrogen oxides and particulate matter that are major contributors to urban air pollution. This results in cleaner, healthier air, especially in cities.


  1. Lower Life-cycle Emissions: Including the emissions from electricity generation and battery production, EVs still have a much smaller environmental footprint than petrol or diesel vehicles. For instance, traditional cars average 165–180g of CO? per kilometre, while EVs are closer to 50g per kilometre (even when using grid electricity).


  1. Ongoing Benefits: As power grids become greener and more renewable energy is used, the climate impact of running EVs continues to decrease.


While manufacturing EVs, especially their batteries, creates more emissions up front compared to petrol or diesel cars, these are offset after a few years of driving clean with electricity.

In summary, replacing all petrol and diesel cars with electric vehicles would represent a major step forward in environmental efforts, significantly reducing greenhouse gas emissions and urban air pollution, with growing benefits as our electricity grids decarbonize further.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2025, 00:54
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18 Aug 2025, 00:54#5

You in the case never referred to motor vehicles only and that present some major problems at present. The infrasttrucure is not available to cater for that change is not available and provision of sufficient facilities and for the prpose makes it imposible to ah ve a replacement program by anuythin g before 2050.


The idea that infrastructure is sufficient to cater for all vehcles being added to the needs for extra energy to cater for electicity driven cars is a real issue as well, Most EU xcountries and USA have problems in maintining tos upply e;ectricty is the real prblem.


However - clean eneergy in particular refered to cover a much wider field inclusie of all electricty countrwide so BS as I stated before, If the USA or EU countries want to switch to electricity provision as a whole it is indeed idiotic supreme BS. Son and wind elecriciy cannot replace other methods of electricity povidion to improve the countries infrastructure the only way to go is nuclear power usage, The Greenies think otherwise and that hatred is just the start of creating further problems for the EU and the USA.


In your added te following is total BS supreme:-


  1. Ongoing Benefits: As power grids become greener and more renewable energy is used, the climate impact of running EVs continues to decrease.


There is zero chance of the greener BS will meet elecrtricity replacement eneds in the next 100 years, Take an example from the USA. Under Obama the federal govenment invested $12 billion to build a sun electriity supply system. Over the years it never met its supply targets and after a decade the disaster was closed down and the $12 billion was in fact fruitless expenditure,,


Yes - I like te idea of elecric cars - but for that a suitable electricity system infrastrucure is required and the idea that green energy can provide it is a rather idiotc statement. Hundreds of billions have been spent by the Biden regime and not one plant is producing the forecasted production level.


So the moon is surprisingly not made of Green cheese the greenies wants to see happening,



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