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The Trump administration turned down more vaccine doses 'as recently as November,' former FDA commissioner says

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Dec 2020, 00:30
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15 Dec 2020, 00:30#1
  • The Trump administration once again rejected an offer from Pfizer for more COVID-19 vaccines "as recently as November," according to former Food and Drug Administration commissioner Scott Gottlieb.
  • "There were multiple conversations with the U.S. government about taking more supply in the second quarter," Gottlieb, who is a Pfizer board member, told CNBC on Monday.
  • This comes on the heels of the Trump administration reportedly rejecting 100 million doses of Pfizer's recently approved COVID-19 vaccine over the summer, according to The New York Times.
  • Dr. Scott Gottlieb, Trump's former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, told CNBC on Monday that the Trump administration declined an offer from Pfizer for more doses of its COVID-19 vaccine "as recently as November."

    "There were multiple conversations with the U.S. government about taking more supply in the second quarter," said Gottlieb, who is a Pfizer board member. "The company wasn't taken up on the offer as recently as November."

    This news follows a New York Times report earlier this week that the White House in the summer rejected 100 million coronavirus vaccine doses developed by the pharmaceutical giant and BioNTech.

    The broader implications, according to Gottlieb, are that other countries will swoop in to claim the doses rejected by the US.

    "In the interim, other countries have put in orders for those supplies," he said. "I think they're going to work this out. I think hopefully we'll find a way to increase supply and be able to get the government what the government needs."

    Gottlieb also noted how dealing with the US government on the vaccine has been "challenging," even given Pfizer's status as an American company.

    "This is an American company, we want to work with the US government," he said. "But this has been a challenging process because there have been multiple conversations happening as recently as November, and now they're coming back and wanting to restart those conversations when other commitments have been made in the interim."


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sharkbokCaptain23,205 posts
15 Dec 2020, 00:51
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15 Dec 2020, 00:51#2
Yes Trump tried to pass a law to make it illegal for any Covid vaccine international orders to be fulfilled.
Trump now wants all of the vaccines, even though he could have purchased more of it when it was initially agreed. Since that time other countries purchased supplies from the first batch being manufactured. 
So the first batch has been sold to other countries and the US. Germany Biotech is the real producer of the vaccine with Pfizer the junior parter- so no German people would get the vaccine if Trump's new law works. 
If the Oxford vaccine works, it will make sure that vaccines are not just in the US. 
The Oxford vaccine is also expected to be faster to produce a very large supply. 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Dec 2020, 01:22
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15 Dec 2020, 01:22#3

Another blunder by the blithering Buffoon! 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 01:58
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15 Dec 2020, 01:58#4

Hahahaha.....so the ‘big news’ finally got to Australia. This was fully exposed in the media  7 days ago. But of course Gottlieb sang a different tune 5 days before that:

‘There’s going to be an inflection point where I think there’s going to be sufficient supply in the market that we’re going to see this rationing system start to erode and it’s going to be more widely available to larger groups of people,” Gottlieb said. “My guess is that’s going to be in the March timeframe.”

The vaccines due to be released from Pfizer and Moderna appear to be more than 90% effective in preventing coronavirus, but only after patients receive two doses at least 20 days apart. Smith raised concern about Americans taking two doses of the vaccine. Gottlieb said that while there is some protection after the first dose, both doses should be taken for 95% efficacy. Becker echoed Gottlieb’s sentiments and highlighted the importance of getting both doses to be fully protected.’


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Hilarious huh, but then you probably never realized Gottlieb is on the Pfizer Board which explains some of their anti Trump stance.


The fact is the administration is diversifying their commitments. Which is very smart given the  Oxford blooper. In January we will likely have a one dose, very safe J&J vaccine in vast quantities....they have been building stocks under Warp Speed. Making additional Pfizer vaccines that have to be stored at 83 degrees below zero and taken  twice, a less desirable alternative.

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But of course you sucked it all up......soooooooo predictable.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 03:04
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15 Dec 2020, 03:04#5

Okay provide one example where Trump said the virus wasn’t real.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 03:12
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15 Dec 2020, 03:12#6

Produce the quote. The last one didn’t turn out so well for you.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 03:16
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15 Dec 2020, 03:16#7
Tap.....tap....tap.....tap...  I’m waiting.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 03:39
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15 Dec 2020, 03:39#8

Surely not.......they christened you Rumplestiltskin?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 03:40
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15 Dec 2020, 03:40#9

Unfortunate, but you made the claim that Trump called the virus a hoax.....prove it Misty.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 04:02
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15 Dec 2020, 04:02#10

Okay you have obviously looked it up and are too embarrassed and not honest enough to admit it...so chew on this:


We called her statement false, pointing to our rating of a similar statement from Joe Biden in March. Because so many of you have wondered, we thought we’d go into a bit more detail on our analysis in this case.

The basis for the claim is a comment President Donald Trump made at a rally in South Carolina on Feb. 28, when he was complaining about Democrats’ attacks on him and his administration.

Here’s what Trump said:

"Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa. They can’t even count. No, they can’t. They can’t count their votes.

"One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.’ That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was not a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax."

Our reading of these comments is that Trump is saying Democratic criticism of him is a hoax, not that the coronavirus doesn’t exist or wasn’t real. We’ve been unable to find other comments of Trump suggesting that. 

When asked about his comments the next day, Trump specifically said he was talking about Democrats’ reaction: "Hoax, referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody, because we’ve done such a good job," Trump said. 

Other fact-checkers have agreed with our reading of Trump’s comments.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 05:32
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15 Dec 2020, 05:32#11

I’m not defending him.....that comes directly from Politifact, a respected and strongly anti Trump entity.


You stupidly fell for the sting .....enjoy your crow.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 06:20
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15 Dec 2020, 06:20#12

‘So he could kill someone just so idiots like you would still vote for him’....sure Misty.....least number of military deaths since WW2.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 06:20
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15 Dec 2020, 06:20#13

Just eat your crow quietly and wipe the egg dripping down your stupefied  face  Misty. You have been had....big time!


Game, set and match!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 06:36
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15 Dec 2020, 06:36#14

Nothing like totally successful Sting....be more careful next time moron.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Dec 2020, 07:29
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15 Dec 2020, 07:29#15
Oh dear, not a very good start to the day for Moffie as he stands there red-faced with his pants around his ankles while everyone points and laughs. 
Cloudy hands Moffie his head on a plate after he attempts yet another one of his pathetic little "stings" and once again ends up stinging himself.
LMAO!
As for Bozo calling the virus a hoax, saying it will disappear like magic, lying about the numbers and claiming he had it all under control, click here. If you click the video in the very first post or the very last post you'll find several examples of Bozo demonstrating his ignorance and his complete lack of understanding of the virus or its consequences.
That post was put up in March 2020. The fact that Moffie is now getting all red-faced and indignant while he stamps his little foot waiting for an answer just shows that he's either very stupid or very cowardly. It's one of the two.
Like I said, not a very good start to the day for Moffie! You go Cloudy!
LMAO!


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 15:54
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15 Dec 2020, 15:54#16

Do  I edit my posts....sure....I edit them when I read them after posting. On reading this one again I decided ‘stupid’ was a little too harsh, too permanent....so I changed it to ‘stupified’. Rather clever really.

As for posting twice and using the second post to correct another fantasy of your’s....I did....no sense in having two iterations of the same post on the Board

And of course Coward applauds, he has been Stung so often he feels your pain. Still you were dead wrong about the hoax.....and stupidly you tried the Leftie tactic of impugning the source, a Left leaning source ......which opened up one of the neatest Stings of recent memory.

Game, set and match!!!!!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 15:54
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15 Dec 2020, 15:54#17

Do  I edit my posts....sure....I edit them when I read them after posting. On reading this one again I decided ‘stupid’ was a little too harsh, too permanent....so I changed it to ‘stupified’. Rather clever really.

As for posting twice and using the second post to correct another fantasy of your’s....I did....no sense in having two iterations of the same post on the Board

And of course Coward applauds, he has been Stung so often he feels your pain. Still you were dead wrong about the hoax.....and stupidly you tried the Leftie tactic of impugning the source, a Left leaning source ......which opened up one of the neatest Stings of recent memory.

Game, set and match!!!!!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2020, 15:55
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15 Dec 2020, 15:55#18

There.....I’ve posted it twice..,...waaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhaha!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Dec 2020, 16:10
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15 Dec 2020, 16:10#19

Poor ou redstink crashed and burns yet again. Its as regular as a ticking cloc k!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Dec 2020, 07:15
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16 Dec 2020, 07:15#20
The person who needs to save face is the one who said:  ‘Nope I didn’t look it up I believe he said it was a hoax and that’s what he meant just like he said injecting ourselves with bleach would kill the virus. ‘
Politifact pointed out he never said the virus was a hoax. And about the bleach they said this:
‘After Bryan’s presentation, Trump floated the idea of using disinfectants to treat COVID-19 patients. He did not say Americans should ingest chemicals to prevent or treat the virus.’

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So a credible Left leaning organization say both of your claims are untrue. Nor could the Mueller team back up your belief that Trump colluded with Russia.
Three hysterical claims all trashed by groups who had a vested interest in them being true. Now that’s embarrassing, as was your delightful charge into the sting.
Maybe the egg is running over your stupid face, stupified was too generous.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Dec 2020, 16:18
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16 Dec 2020, 16:18#21
What Sting...this one:

I’m not defending him.....that comes directly from Politifact, a respected and strongly anti Trump entity.


You stupidly fell for the sting .....enjoy your crow.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Dec 2020, 16:21
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16 Dec 2020, 16:21#22

As for your brains....do you even have an undergraduate degree, a high school diploma? Three big hoaxes and you fell for them all.....and a bunch of others. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Dec 2020, 16:58
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16 Dec 2020, 16:58#23

"I’m not defending him.....that comes directly from Politifact, a respected and strongly anti Trump entity."

Politifact are not anti Trump, its a case that Trump is anti facts.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Dec 2020, 19:19
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16 Dec 2020, 19:19#24
PolitiFact media bias rating is Lean Left.

PolitiFact has a Lean Left bias.

Fact checking sites often display bias because selecting what gets fact-checked and how it will be checked is subjective in nature. Independent reviews by AllSides has found that Politifact's bias is Lean Left.

In July 2018, 18% of Politifact's "fact" checks were actually checks of opinions, reports Investor's Business Dailyciting RealClearPolitics' Fact Check Review (a site that fact checks fact checkers).

In widely-criticized piece published April 2016, Politifact said it is false to describe a person by their biological sex if that person identifies with another sex. Assessing a presidential campaign ad by Ted Cruz, Politifact wrote that “it’s not accurate to say that transgender women are men.” Following criticism, the website issued an editor's note and then changed the article to state, "“it’s not entirely accurate for Cruz to define a transgender woman as ‘a grown man pretending to be a woman.’”

Third-Party Accusations of Bias

A Capital Research Center piece about "Dishonest Fact Checkers" claims, "A Media Research Center analysis in June found that Trump received the “False”/“Mostly False”/ “Pants on Fire” label from PolitiFact’s Truth-O-Meter 77 percent of the time. Clinton received just “False”/“Mostly False” for 26 percent of her statements (Investors Business Daily, June 30, 2016)." AllSides has not independently examined Politifact's Truth-O-Meter labels.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Dec 2020, 19:24
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16 Dec 2020, 19:24#25

That site....strongly biased left,  cleared Trump of  the bleach lie and the calling the virus a hoax lie.

In a more sensible world. like 20 years ago, people wouldn’t need a site to tell them what is readily apparent if you just read the words.

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