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The Utrecht Dilemma for the Dutch Government

Started by clevermike8 REPLIES560 VIEWS· 19 Mar 2019, 05:34
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Mar 2019, 05:34
#1
19 Mar 2019, 05:34#1

The following from MSN:-

 

"Dutch police have arrested a man suspected of killing three people and wounding five others during a fatal shooting on a tram in Utrecht this morning.

Utrecht police announced the suspect, 37-year-old Gokmen Tanis, had been taken into custody following the attack during the Monday morning rush hour.

The city was put on lock down after the shooting, which authorities initially said was an apparent terrorist attack. Police conducted raids in several locations.

The public prosecutor later told reporters that the suspect had previously been arrested, without giving further details.

A prosecutor said the gunman may have been motivated by "family reasons" and Turkey's state-run Anadolu news agency, quoting relatives of the gunman, said he had fired at a relative on the tram and had then shot at others who tried to help her.

Heavily-armed police and paramedics swooped on a square in the west of the city following the fatal attack this morning.

The shooting began at 10.45am local time (9.45am GMT) when a gunman opened fire on a tram at 24 Oktoberplein.

Authorities raised the terror alert for the area to the maximum level in the aftermath of the shooting, with police earlier saying they were considering the possibility of a "terrorist motive" in the attack.

Schools were told to shut their doors and paramilitary police increased security at airports, other vital infrastructure and at mosques.

Police launched a manhunt following the attack as the gunman fled the scene.

Armed officers later massed around an apartment building close to the square.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte convened crisis talks immediately after the incident, which came three days after a lone gunman killed 50 people in mass shootings at two mosques in the city of Christchurch, New Zealand.

"Our country has today been shocked by an attack in Utrecht... A terrorist motive cannot be excluded," Mr Rutte said.

"The first reports have led to disbelief and disgust. Innocent people have been struck by violence... We are now doing everything we can to find the perpetrator or perpetrators as soon as possible. That is now our complete focus."

The mayor of Utrecht, Jan van Zanen, said three people had been killed and nine injured, three of them seriously. The number of injured was later lowered to five.

Dutch police issued an image of Tanis and warned the public not to approach him.

The suspect had had previous run-ins with police, the prosecutor said. Local broadcaster RTV Utrecht said earlier the suspect was known to police for both minor and major crimes, including a shooting in 2013.

The shooting took place in Kanaleneiland, a quiet residential district on the outskirts of Utrecht with a large immigrant population.

"It's frightening that something like this can happen so close to home," said Omar Rahhou, who said his parents lived on a street cordoned off by police. "These things normally happen far away but this brings it very close, awful."

Witness Daan Molenaar, who said he had been sitting at the front of the tram when the shooting started, told national broadcaster NOS he did not believe it was a terrorist attack.

"The first thing I thought was, this is some kind of revenge or something, or somebody who's really mad and grabbed a pistol," he said.

The streets of Utrecht were emptier than usual and mosques in the city kept their doors closed on Monday. Police screened off the site where at least one body lay covered near the tram.

Dutch television showed counter-terrorism units surrounding a house in Utrecht and sniffer dogs being put to work.

Utrecht, the Netherlands' fourth largest city with a population of around 340,000, is known for its picturesque canals and large student population. Gun killings are rare in Utrecht, as elsewhere in the Netherlands."

 Now the Dutch Government has a serious political problem.   In the last Dutch elections the Governing Parties struggled badly against the conservative problem and the only way the Government of Prime Minster Rutte could remain in Government was by getting all center and leftist political parties into a coalition Government.

 

So the Dutch Government had to state it is an attack by a known criminal - but so was the Paris attacks a few years back by Belgian Muslims - they all had previous criminal records in Belgium 

 

I think the upcoming EU Parliamentary elections is going to be a major problem for the Dutch Governing Coalition Political Parties.  Admit it is a terrorist attack and they face  wipe out in the said elections.  Claiming that it was not terrorism and the Conservatives will laugh in their faces and nobody would believe them.

   

The ultra liberal but very popular Dutch Royal family will have to be  called in to help out here to sooth the feelings of the people of Utrecht  and the Dutch people as a whole - but will it help?  

    

The Dutch is already unhappy about the pacifist EU friendly political parties.   About three years ago there was a referendum about allowing in illegal migrants when the previous wave hit Europe.   An EU treaty dealing with the distribution of the illegal migrants was concocted and countries called upon to sign it.

  

A referendum was held and the agreement was rejected by the voters.    However, the pliant  Dutch Government ignored the outcome and signed the EU agreement on the issue non-the-less.    This agreement was rejected by Hungary, Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland and never signed by the countries mentioned.  

 

The UK Government never signed it either because the Brexit referendum was looming and signing of it would have been a disaster for Cameron.  As it turned out the Brexit referendum was a disaster for him anyway.

 

Now the Dutch can have their revenge  on the government ignoring their wishes in the EU Parliament elections - it could be a wipe out of them.  


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Mar 2019, 06:53
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19 Mar 2019, 06:53#2

He was trying to kill a female relative.

Muslim?


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Mar 2019, 07:41
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19 Mar 2019, 07:41#3

That is the excuse - but will it work?   Is killing a female relative a legitimate exercise by Muslim men?   And killing two other people was just a fatal accident? 

By the way the alleged killer is from Turkey - take a guess about his religious convictions>   

I am not sure about that either,   But the repercussions is not going to be handled easily by the Governing parties in the Netherlands.    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Mar 2019, 09:04
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19 Mar 2019, 09:04#4

If you want pour oil on the flames try and cover it up as the globalist government and their  MSM always do apart from the nz massacre.

Katie Hopkins explains the suppression of any criticism of Islam and its effect on people  See my Katie Hopkins post she is outstanding.

Yes Mike the May EU elections will see the EU Globalists receiving a bloody noze. Despite the massive globalist MSM propaganda, all the lies and failure to report things etc the Populist/Nationalist forces continue to grow.

How long will globalist wimps Macron and Trudea last. Hahahaha. These heroes of poor rooijackass, the far left radical open borders globalist loon rooijackass, are going down

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Mar 2019, 13:35
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19 Mar 2019, 13:35#5

Plum

Read the following and tell us whether you still believe it is not terrorism:-

"In Utrecht, the man arrested for shooting dead three people on a tram had been detained previously on suspicion of being connected to Daesh, after he went to Chechnya to fight.

Gokmen Tanis, 37, is from Turkey’s central Yozgat province, the scene of several anti-Daesh operations in recent years. He has lived in the Netherlands since 1993.

Tanis was known to police for both minor and major crimes, including a shooting in 2013."

The above convinces me  that he has had terrorist links - eg going to Chechnya to fight - the same terrorists who killed  over a hundred people in an attack on a cinema  in Moscow.  

Chechnya was from where a lot of terrorists went to Syria and joined ISIS after the civil war in Chechnya came to a stop,  It was also the place where the Boston Bombers of a few years came from.

    


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Mar 2019, 14:20
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19 Mar 2019, 14:20#6

One wonders what abhorrent crime his relative was guilty of?

Surely not one set out in the peace loving doctrine of Islam.

Surely this is an infrequent occurrence. 

There is nothing wrong with Islam and the burden of action it places on followers or how it allows women to be treated.

So much love. So much peace.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Mar 2019, 15:35
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19 Mar 2019, 15:35#7

She probably refused to accept a forced marriage arranged by her parents and left their hometo marry an infidel (kafir). 

But I think in reality it was indeed terrorism.  

What a wonderful peace-loving si tuation we have here. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Mar 2019, 18:27
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19 Mar 2019, 18:27#8

Exactly Mike

The hilarious thing is that the LGBT and feminists side with the mUslims. 

The forgot what happened after Iran was won. The first ones to be done away with we're the gays and woman's right immediately vanished too. They were allies until they served no more purpose, then they got axed.

It's an evil doctrine and it builds evil societies filled hatred of anything that is different.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Mar 2019, 19:59
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19 Mar 2019, 19:59#9

There was a guy that did lifesaving work during a holiday for the Municipality of the Bqallito Municipality,   The previous year he was a crew member of a yacht going on a cruise in the Indian Ocean.   He told me that landing in Aden he had to flee from  Arabs who wanted to capture him to be a sex slave of theirs.   The Arabs have sex with women for procreation and with men for pleasure - you know coming from the back - Arab style.           

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