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The West believes that the Neo Nazi element in Ukraine is a make up story.

Started by Seb13 REPLIES747 VIEWS· 30 Mar 2022, 20:59
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Mar 2022, 21:04
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30 Mar 2022, 21:04#2

Ostrich Syndrome. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
30 Mar 2022, 21:06
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30 Mar 2022, 21:06#3

So do any sensible people. 
However Putin's forces could be seen as Nazi's

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2022, 22:28
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30 Mar 2022, 22:28#4

Neo Nazis are going to threaten the word….oh wait, wasn’t it the Russians who raised the nuclear threat level?  You are embarrassing yourselves chaps. The bad guys in this mess aren’t Neo Nazis or Ukrainians of any stripe.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
31 Mar 2022, 01:09
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31 Mar 2022, 01:09#5
Sebastien I gotta love how the heading you put on this thread implies the West don't believe there is a Neo Nazi element in Ukraine and then you immediately post up 5 links of western media showing Neo Nazi's in Ukraine. 
You see here is what the west actually believes.
Yes there is a Neo Nazi element in Ukraine and the west are aware of it but they know it only constitutes a fringe minority in Ukraine. Far right parties polled only 2.5% in the 2019 elections and have 0 seats in the Ukrainian party.
The Azov Regiment makes up less than 1% of the Ukrainian armed forces and basically where only accepted into the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 2014 (then a battalion) because the Ukraine was in an absolutely desperate need for people to help fight against the Russian backed separatists and the Russian's themselves in the Donbass. 






I mean seriously what sort of Nazi controlled state would allow a Jew to be elected President. It would be like Israel voting in Hitler as Prime Minister. Speaking of which, did you notice Israel also voted to condemn the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If Ukraine was over run by Nazi's why would Israel do such a thing.
What about all the other countries that suffered under Nazi occupation, like Poland, the Baltic states, France, Norway and all those countries that fought against Nazism in WWII, why on earth would they be helping a country overrun by Nazi's.
So the west treats the claims with the derision they deserve because with an open and free media and society they can look at the evidence and see the Russian state is grossly distorting reality . The claim only works on the majority of the Russian people because they have been subjected to a control state media for years that presents them with Kremlins narrative alone. 
Suppose also works on the fringe far left (anti war at all costs/everything is the west faults types) and the far right conspiracy nutters (OMG Ukrainian Bio-Labs/ derp derp the woke west has no morals/everything is also the west fault). But the vast majority of the West (and western aligned) see this for what it is. Putin wants control of Ukraine end of story and no amount of shite-ing on about Nazi's, genocide or Ukraine being an artificial state is going fool anyone.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2022, 01:39
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31 Mar 2022, 01:39#6

Mozart

It was Biden who raised the issue of replacement of Putin as President of  Russia that cause the issue of nuclear war in future.    Russia never use nuclear arms in war situation thus far - the USA did and that is a fact.     The Russians have not used chemical and bio-weapons in the past - the USA has - remember Operation Orange in Vietnam.    

Whatever you are accusing Russia of today and Hungary tomorrow you can be sure the USA did already.       

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2022, 04:54
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31 Mar 2022, 04:54#7

The difference being any military action the US undertook was open to critical evaluation by an uncensored public. And while there are voices that were critical of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the death toll on a full beach invasion was projected to have been far higher. 

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
31 Mar 2022, 05:20
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31 Mar 2022, 05:20#8

The invasion of Japan was predicted to cost in excess of 1 million Allied soldiers and the Japanese lives would have been in the  many millions (Okinawa showed what would happen to the civilian population of a full blown land war was carried out) 

Japan were the aggressor's in WW11 and were given multiple opportunities to surrender but they refused as they were ruled by the military that did not care about its people just their "honor" and their egos. The USA was left with no option  yes innocent people died but that number would have been 100 x that if a conventional land war was carried out.

Russia is the aggressor and as such has no justification of using nukes (unless its as a retaliation but the chances of that happening are very remote)


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SebPro2,680 posts
31 Mar 2022, 09:14
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31 Mar 2022, 09:14#9

Where do you get 1% from,besides it might be more or less true in the beginning but it's a seed that grows and permeates into the Ukraine society...study the growth in history prior to WW2 in Germany, Hitler's rise to power, Hitler youth etc., Mein Kampf, 1000 years intended rule. It starts as a catalyst to stir violence against groups, is extremely powerful in violence and indeed effective. It breeds extreme hate. It is clear that it is not dead and has found a very fertile ground in Ukraine stirring up the infectious hatred and disrupting any progress of reconciliation between true Ukrainians and Russian ethnic groups. It can spread very quickly. It is a poison and like weeds in field can spread very quickly. It has to be eradicated completely before it is out of control. It clearly is not dead. "A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough"

The West has this totally out of context and distorted this world thing, either out of foul agendas or lack of communication or understanding.

For goodness sake,this civil war has being going on for 8 years, it is not new, how can people ever understand the truth unless they read and study history and only get reporting from one side and view. Is not freedom of press part of what the western nations  call "democracy"?????. It's hypocrisy.

Either we are so blind that we cannot see it or like the "nowhere man who just sees what he wants to see ?"

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
31 Mar 2022, 09:56
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31 Mar 2022, 09:56#10

Well I suppose the world can be thankful that the Russians are forthright upstanding saviors of mankind then, they will smite the evil Westerners for their evil ways. All hail Putin

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
31 Mar 2022, 11:46
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31 Mar 2022, 11:46#11

Where do you get 1% from

The Azov regiment is about 1,000 troops strong. The Ukrainian armed forces are over 200.000 troops strong. Hence the 1% is what the Azov regiment that Russian keeps going on about make up of the Ukrainian military.

besides it might be more or less true in the beginning but it's a seed that grows and permeates into the Ukraine society...study the growth in history prior to WW2 in Germany,

There is Neo-Nazi groups in many western countries as well  and have been for years but here is the kicker there is also Neo Nazi groups in Russia as well. But they are no a small fringe minority in each country. Its 2022 no country on earth would allow Nazi's into power.

For goodness sake,this civil war has being going on for 8 years, it is not new, how can people ever understand the truth unless they read and study history and only get reporting from one side and view. Is not freedom of press part of what the western nations  call "democracy"?????. It's hypocrisy.

You know if Russia had stayed out of Ukraine in 2014 the civil war would be long over. Ah so Britain should of allowed the broadcast of Gobbles propaganda speeches during WW2?. Russia is now firmly entrenched with the West in terms of hypocrisy at this point, because it doesn't allow any free media. When Russia state TV was still permitted in the West, the west looked at their claims and said  yeah those claims sound dubious, show us some evidence, which the Russian's couldn't do, instead we got just distortion and poorly made false flag videos. And yes studying and reading from history is important to avoid the mistakes of the past, but history can be twisted to serve and agenda like Mike was doing with his claim that Ukraine sided with Germany in World War 2. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
31 Mar 2022, 14:30
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31 Mar 2022, 14:30#12
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