Three questions for Members

Is it legal for the US President to politisize and weaponise the Justoce Department and FBI to undermine jurisprudence in contradiction  the way they act at present?      

Is it legal to use the FBI to spy on and investigate 278 000 people because they are opposing the Biden Presidency;

Is it legal for the FBI, the CIA and the WH to meet weekly with the media and internet paltform reps to decide which news reports should be censored on the basis that publicationn may embarrass the Biden Preidency and the Demcoratic Party?

I’m guessing it’s all legal ….because otherwise the Republican party would  be intervening.

The fact that nothing new is happening suggests either it’s not happening or your description is wrong…which is almost for sure.

DumbMike, America never had these problems until Trump.

The fact is that Trump lost the election and he did not concede defeat. While his sycophant followers may believe him, Trump knows that he lost.

He is a grifter and should never have been anywhere near the government.
20 years ago, America would never have appointed him to the president. He got in due to disastification with the establishment (left and right) - and the declining economic position of the working class (perhaps mostly due to globalisation and centralisation of wealth by corporates that shift profits and jobs overseas). It seems America's government is working against the people instead of for the people. 

Trump did his utmost to avoid handing over power. He tried to undermine Democracy by getting politicians to not certifiy the electors, instead trying to pass it off to his cronies to decide who their state voted for. 

The only people who believe that Trump is innocent are uneducated people that see Trump as the last throw of the dice for their dying ideology. 

In 10 years, the conservative party in the US and UK will be lucky to get 20% of the votes.
Ideology is changing, like it always does. The decline of religion means that the conseratives need to change as well. 

A new conservative ideolgy will arise out of the ashes- or perhaps the current left wing party will split into a right and left. 

Mozart

Liar, liar   - your pants are on fire,     There may be with he exception of Romney has all objected t it in the House and Senate and the House hearings on the issue was exensive and the objection of the Republicans were clear on the findings  contained in the majority report.

ou do not know wjhat si being discussed in the House and  Senate and cenzor it so you dio nt know whart is really happening on the above issues:

.https://www.google.com/search?q=senator+hawley%27s+video+fbi+budget+proposals+video&rlz=1C1YTUH_enZA1068ZA1070&oq=Senator+Hawley+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggDEEUYOzIHCAAQABiPAjIGCAEQRRg5MgkIAhBFGDsYgAQyBggDEEUYOzIGCAQQRRg7MgcIBRAAGIAEMgcIBhAuGIAEMgcIBxAAGIAEMgcICBAAGIAEMgcICRAAGIAE0gEKNjEwNzdqMGoxNagCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e4ae84bb,vid:ZcW4ryEROjM,st:0   

 So I accept  you believe the USA  Constitution should be scrapped because it is under attack by Dempcratic Party President..

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cHm5T89dg8

All those investigations in the congress amount to nothing…vanity projects so Representatives can go home and say they are investigating the Bidens. And they all know it’s going nowhere.

If there was anything with the tiniest bit of traction things would be happening in the courts. There are plenty of Republican leaning courts where real action could be pursued.

Once again you are being totally misled by the stupid right wing sites an old Nat verkrampte like you frequent.

 S o you lied about the Republcians do not obhect to the weaponising  of the Justice Department  to unermine them.    The Republicans took some amtters tp couert and the judge ruled agaist the FBI. on the issue.   The matters are nwo goung  to the Federal Couiirt and ultimately to the Supreme Court.   

The BS charges against Trump co-ordinated by the WH represent election interferance  of the worst kind ever in the USA  hsitory.   And the spying on 278 000 people was exposed by th e FIS  Court.

You obviuously did know nothing  about the above issues - and the Wall Stereet Journal and New Yoek Times in line with their instructions from the White House , the F BI and other censors.   

You obviously support the Fascist appraoch of the Biden regime -and your onscience is not bothered by the developing  dictaotrship you support.    

Totally aware of it….but it’s going nowhere. A few rules may be tweaked but nobody is going to jail…a nothing burger fed to you right wing nutters:

Washington — The Supreme Court on Monday appeared wary of limiting the Biden administration's contacts with social media platforms in a closely watched dispute that tests how much the government can pressure social media companies to remove content before crossing a constitutional line from persuasion into coercion.

The case, known as Murthy v. Missouri, arose out of efforts during the early months of the Biden administration to push social media platforms to take down posts that officials said spread falsehoods about the pandemic and the 2020 presidential election. 

A U.S. district court judge said White House officials, as well as some federal agencies and their employees, violated the First Amendment's right to free speech by "coercing" or "significantly encouraging" social media sites' content-moderation decisions. The judge issued an injunction restricting the Biden administration's contacts with platforms on a variety of issues, though that order has been on hold.

During oral arguments on Monday, the justices seemed skeptical of a ruling that would broadly restrict the government's communications with social media platforms, raising concerns about hamstringing officials' ability to communicate with platforms about certain matters.

"Some might say that the government actually has a duty to take steps to protect the citizens of this country, and you seem to be suggesting that that duty cannot manifest itself in the government encouraging or even pressuring platforms to take down harmful information," Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson told Benjamin Aguiñaga, the Louisiana solicitor general. "I'm really worried about that, because you've got the First Amendment operating in an environment of threatening circumstances from the government's perspective, and you're saying the government can't interact with the source of those problems."

'your onscience is not bothered by the developing  dictaotrship you support.'

How's your  onscience ................ supporting Russia, Iran & all the other shitting Brics shite nations?

BB

 Stop talking  shit.  How many times have I said I do not  like wafs and prefer peace negotiations.   I do hate one thing and that is political corruption and I support democeracy.

If there is anther thing  I dislike it is lies and dishonesty.   What I do not like is the istability Biden brought onto the world.   Beside that he ss a crook and a huge one at that.   What happened over the last 8 years in the U SA  is a national betrayal of the basic principles of democracy by the President who is supposed the leader of the democratic countries in the world.

The moment a President has gone rogue or when politics became oppressive of any opposition I will always condemn it.    I am not believing media lies on issuies and what came out of the US Press and conduct by liars I oppose it.    They started the Russzian Hoax in 2015 and since then lied about it on a daily absis.   What is much worse  you and a lot of others fell for it and still do.   

 Since I regularly I criticize media lies does not mean I support Russia or any other country with a record of oppression and unfiortunately more and more it includes the USA    When politicians use the Justice Department and Police to oprress opinions different from that Government I oppose it even more strongly than I oppose similar usage in countries outside the  Demcoractic sphere it is bad - if it happened in democratic countries it is a pestilence.to be wiped out and destroyed since it means Fascism is taking over in that country and that is where the USA is at present.

So what is the case at present - the Democratic Party has been taken over by the funders and they prescribe policies to be implmented by the Government - the same people  control the media and  those media are as important to them since by that means they copy the Goebbels doctrine of if you repeat lies enugh times,   people will belevee it is true.   

Take the Ukraine War - how did it start and how did the country got into a war nobody wanted from the word go.    The USA  politicians bragged about how they appoint the cabinet of Uraine after the 2014 coup and those people are still in imprtant cabint and other posts in Ukraine.   S o what really happened is that Ukraine has not even a 1% level of Democracy left.    They banned all opposition party's and arrested their elected members of Parlaiment and nobody knows were theyare,   They banned and discrimnated against the Russian speaking people in Ukraine,   They banned the church of which 80% of the Ukrainians are members.   Press freedom is non-existent in Ukraine.

So what happened after the invasion of Russia started - the media flooded stories of how Ukraine si winning  the war and  that is a huge lie.    So lets gve yous oem real info on the effects of that war.   In 2022 the Ukraine population and that include the Crimea wa given as 38 million people.   According to EU records and recorded evacuaion of women and children fromEastern Ukraine,  the following numbers fled from Ukraine:-

So what is the real population from Ukraine left in the country at present  In fact it is based on the following proven records:-

*     People fleeing to EU countries                                        =            25 502 800 

*     Women and children evacuated from Eastern Ukraine    =              2  852 195

*     Residents in the Crimea                                                   +               3 650  000

So what is left in the Ukraine are is circa 7 to 8 million people.   That is why the lies about the  Ukraine winning  the War - trumpeted by the media are lies as well.     The Ukraine Government said there are the possibility of calling  up a further 500 000 troops - but there is no public support for such a call-up.   The answer is simple = th ere si nobody left to call up.   ,        There is nobody to call up anyway.    So where to in that case?  I favor peace negotiations - you and others preach war,     

You also preach war because the USA and UK  media lies on issues,    The U S Government can supply weaponry - it cannot work,    In 2019 Zelenskyy's campaigned on the bssis  of stopping the civil war in Eastern Ukraine through negotiation,   He did nothing about nding that war - because critical decisions are not amde in Kiev - they are made in Washington.    

Back to the USA  the country is in crisis  ad millions of people are food-insecuire and became so over the last three years because of govenment miscoduct.    Inflation si out fo control because of spending fo Govenment money they have to borrow,   The USA cities are destroyed by Law and Order policies prescribed by George Soros - who also prescribed and implemtation fot eh Open Bordxer policies in the USA.

The emda write about the crimianl charges Trump faces - but when ymou analyz those there are zero to it in proof and they are real political  based atatcks on Trump.    Wen one rad what is in he emdia you beleive Trump will go to jail - there is minor zero to that.

Since the real control rest with the ultra-rich in the USA te system itself is undermining  Democracy and th e end result si inevtiable - A country whose culture and history is destroyed .and under attack all the time.    Anybody promoting the USA a a country is regarded as an enemy,   Moral values are being destryed and at th e rate thingsa re going there wil be nothing  of  Demcoracy left by 2030.     Anybody opposed to teh Government are already call domestic terrorists,    So go on - in supporting that BS  you are indeed supporting FASCISM.    

We all know Democracy is the basis of western culture.   We kn ow the BRICS countries hate the West - but what is worse is hatred of Democracy within the Western Alliance countries.   That is what is going to destroy them in the world an o that hey coun on brainwashed people to support the desgtruction fo Demcracy in the world.

Name me one case where I support BRICS  - you will find nothing .  What I hate is the USA policies and conduct that drive  more and more countries to abandon their aliances and look to BRICS to protect their interests from crazy politics in Washington.      .   .           .       .           

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 So let’s be generous and imagine Wanker put all the numbers on the right line…one number stands out, the claim that 25,502,800 people have fled to EU countries. The greatest migration in history? And the country still functions with only one fifth of its population?

So here’s a bit of insight:

‘  An ongoing refugee crisis began in Europe in late February 2022 after Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Over 6 million refugees fleeing Ukraine are recorded across Europe,[1] while an estimated 8 million others had been displaced within the country by late May 2022.[needs update][2][3][4] Approximately one-quarter of the country's total population had left their homes in Ukraine by 20 March.[5] 90% of Ukrainian refugees are women and children, while most Ukrainian men between the ages of 18 and 60 are banned from leaving the country.‘

You cannot add up figures anymore?  1 plus 1 is  2 idiot supreme .  Add the above totals up it caae to over 31 million people.   Where did you get the other figures from - liar. supreme?    you mut again b suffering from delirium or iddicy arsehole .        .      

From Wikipedia and the UN Agency for refugees. Where did you get your 25.5 million refugees leaving the country. I fear you have committed another embarrassing blunder. 

My figures came from the various EU country Governments according to reicrded figures by them.    So here are the figures of  the various Governments:-

 Moldovia         =      1 050 430

Romania           =      4 245  040

Hungary           =      4 555 760

Slovakia           =      2 160  500

Other Major EU Countries 17 293 665 - that includes the UK, France, Germany, Poland and the smaller EU countries.    For isnatnce Ireland's allocation is 100 000 rfug ees from Ukraine.       It is antural that the brunt of the problem would be in the four border countries with Ukraine.    Russia  claimed they removed 3,5 million woen and children ito refugee shelters in Russia - but the final figure of evacuated people were 2 852  395.

So add up the above figures and you have the real facts and not a two year old wikipedia and Wall Street Journal report.    Would the UN knows better than the Governments facing  the influx into their territories.    In any event six months after the Russian Invasion started the refugees fled was so high it was recorded as being 11 million people who fled from Ukraiine   and the stream went on unabated.    About three months ago Zelenskyy told the EU Governmentt to send military age refugees back to Ukraine, but in terms of the EU policy that could not happen.    There could be some double counting  when refugees moved from neighbouring countries - but those are the countries where assistance are supposedly provided by the EU  to assist countries suffering from major influx of refugees.               

The 6 million story is BS supreme.   It is like telling the USA the Mexican border is under control - sure it is under control of the Mexian cartels - not the USA Goivernment.    Wonder why there is such a close tie between the Biden Regime and the Mexican cartels - same as their is an inseparable tie between the USA Government and the regime in Kiev they installed.   In the case of the Mexican cartels they earned billions every months in helping illegal migrants to enter the USA an from drug smuggling.     What is the US Government crooks getting  in return?     The last time Biden flew to Mexico for negotiations Hunter was on the plane with Biden meeting with a Mexican Billionaire with links to the cartels.   It was recorded on a video tape - he flied on Air F orce 1 as regualrly as Biden used that plane for foreign travels. .    So with joe and Hunter going rogue what else an one expect from the Biden crime family protected by the Justice Departmnt and the FBI?         .        .   .     

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https://www.iom.int/sites/g/files/tmzbdl486/files/documents/2024-02/iom_ukraine_neighbouring_countries_2022-2024_2_years_of_response.pdf

Here’s summary:

‘ February 24, 2024 marks the two-year anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine by the Russian Federation. The war has resulted in massive displacement, extensive destruction, and profound human suffering.

Over 14 million persons, nearly 35 per cent of the population, have been forced to flee from their homes, seeking refuge both within Ukraine and beyond. This has resulted in the separation of families, abandonment of homes, and loss of possessions, and has exacerbated numerous protection risks for displaced people. Sadly, the toll stands at more than ten thousand civilian deaths, including over 560 children.’

Bo wonder the Ukraine Watr has nasty oconsequences - also for the innocen cviliins.    That si awhy fom the start suported  peaceful negotiations - while war pomtion was the main continbtion of the U SA Government and the emdia.    The question remains bfore the reaal carnag e set in their was a chance to stop the war ad the USA sabotag ed the talks.   Wonder how Biden to sleep about the slaughter he promoted and refused tgo end through negotioation.   Another question though - somebiody is either over-reporting or under-reporting.as to the extent of the fugees.    There was an article in Politico on the war - all that they write about is the need for further weaponry that will not win the war - just extend it.

Is the IOM now in charge of the USA Department  of Homeland Security co=rdinating  the influx of close to 10 million illegal migrabts into the USA?                  

So no defense of your 25.5 million refugees. Just the usual diversions when you have been exposed.

ouMaaik, a bit of help for you.

https://fullfact.org/

https://www.politifact.com/

https://ground.news/

 Did they check th e facts about anything  yet. - 8 years of political lies about the Russian Hoax wa never checked - t he sotry of charges against T rump this year never cheeked =- I can gove a list a mile long .   I said that 49 million people are fded by foodbanks - and could not find anybody claimng the foodbanks lied about ti.    

 Politifact started off with a lie.   Trumnp did no say what th ey claimed he said.   Totally different in fact hes aid.  He said the precendent that si being set in charging him can also expose Biden to be charged for the aactivities Biden si involved in together with his drufggiie son.

I then checked 4 further sgtories and all hree are devoid of any fact.    On one of them is what is in the  Supreme Court and the facts they checked controdiuct evidenc e under oath in th e Hou se Heaing s and what Musk exposed when he took over Twitter.   Politifact neve rely on proof they ely on D emcoratic Party spokespeople to distort facts.      

So try again - if you really want to believe political BS  get it from Polifact.   Try again.

Mozar

Do you still believe your statement of 6 million refugees are correct?  I said that the countries invied in th eir reports to the EU claimed the numbers they had recorded,  That is a starting point.  I added that he did not deal with people evacuated by Russia - amily women and children  evacuated to Russia.    That figure was originally claimed to be 3,5 million - but has been more recise now.    .    More than 18 months ago the media reported there were 10,8 million refugees in EU countries and the stream of refugees is even bigger now than before.   

Lets face facts the EU countries could have reported the figures of refugee that etered their countries - but  whether they moved on to other countries could hav resulted in dounle counting.   Politico claimed that thosuands of military age men are elaving  by  trains with permts they omehow got from the Ukraine Govenment.   Probably part of corruption inherent in Ukraine.   So how many are there really.   probably some where between 18 million and the 35 million repoted by the various coun tries they entered, and the number reduced through moving to other countries.  

Mozart

I agree 28 million civilians killed is terribel.  To that must eb added the 18 000 killed by the Ukraine Govenment in the civil war in Eastern Ukraine should also be borne in mind.   There was no evidence of the Asov Balatallion being declared by the UN as a mercenary and terrorist organization after they caused the death of 3 thousand people murdered by the said abtallion  thos two incdece - where the Battalion in Mariopol women and Children in  Mariopol as human shield and ove 1 200 people died - and th one they murdered  trade union members in Odeassa by burning down the trade  unuon hall where the protestors were claiming they were badly reated by the Kiev regime was fired at by te said battallion firing on protestors and the people fed into the Trade union building and a hall.   When  they tries to flee fm the foire - they were shot and killed by the mercenaries employed by the Ukraine Govenment.   Bot the above two incidents are on record with the UN.      

By th e way - after a ddiscussion ith Trump he advised Johnson to relent and table the aid Bill for Ukraine - but whether it will be enouh to save the Ukraine from losing the war is not realy an issue.   Unfortunately teh Russian A rmaments is far more effecive than those of the US - so the war wills till be lost.   

Unlike idiotic Biden Trump knows that negotiation with Russia would eb encessarya dn he would like to hold some aces when that happens.    What the $60 billion for Ukraine entails is nto clear.   Part of it si for araments the rest to over the f ull budget  of the Ukraine petty Govenment with massive fraud and corruption invovled.

Politico article on that issue is a follows:-        .                 

https://www.politico.eu/article/why-ukraine-losing-russia-war/

Will the new armamnets work to cange the war ro a victory by Ukraine.   Not a snowballs hope in hell of that happening.  Theya re claiing they would get 500 000 soldiers in terms of teh enw Law assed by the Ukraine Parliament.    First foa ll the weaponry provided with great dfafdare was not superior to what the Russians had and any further armaments owoud be ievffective as well unless operated by US army rsonal and even ten it will not eb as effective as is claimed in the emdia.   to send untrained troops t the frot would amount to murder of their own peole by Ukraine because they would be sending them to their death.    In retreating is all that si ahppeninga t rpesent and that will get worse in future - especialy during rh coming Ukraine summer.    .   ,.   

Focus…25.5 million, yes or no?

The 17 million going jtoiugh Poland are very near to the mark - in the ca of Romenia, Hungery and Moldavia most of the refufgee moved firther west and could be double counted.   Like myou I accpted the fig  ues while  you accepted the fake media figures.  There can be no dount at least 50% of the population pf 38 million people are not in Ukraine anymore.   

Howevr  the Ukraine issue is not the topic under this thread.   T bnbnbn0he abase he Judicial system war in ithe case of this thread - it is relating to the  dictatorial  conduict aimed at opposition to tReg me bu rthe throu judicial abod4e he   and h xensoship ;;   

You are a very dishonest man….people who lie to others, knowing that they know, you know,  you are lying are pretty special. 

OK  

Fascist supporter - youd uck and dive on the sisue of th e court case before the Supreme Court and quoted a twisted newspaper report on the issue before th e Supreme Court.   The Judge who gave the original ruling was from Misssouri and the ruling was upheld by the Federal Court - conveniently not ementioning  that the F deral Court upheld the ru,ling and the reason for not ebing  implemented yet is because the FBI and CIA lodged a further appeal to th e S upreme Court.

So what the S upreme Court would have is all  the evidence before th e H ouse on the issue - Musk's own finding s on what happened at Twitter and the farce made in resect of the Covid pandemic when the publication fo references to the gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Lab was banned by the clique invovled in it.

The fact is the FBI and CIA is in deep shit because they banned any publication of the Biden laptop lying about it being Russian Disinformation.    The Supreme Court will not support it and the fact that the recently appointed by Biden Judge got the message when the Supreme  Court ruled unanimously against Trumps banning from aprticipation in the election - the Democrats are attacking one of the Judges who was appointed by Obama because she dared to to duisatnce ehrself from teh Biden BS and he attacked the court afterwards with Judge Sotomayor - appointed by Obama - being a target of the Democrats wanting her out of the Court.

Another proof that the .Dmcorats are fighting against the Constitution on a daily basis - so live with it  Fascist supporter Mozart. .                 .            

My father, uncles and father in law all went overseas to fight real fascists. What did your  Saaiman men  do? Claim that Hitler didn’t want to invade Poland, but was forced to do so because the Allies wanted the war?

I appreciate rw sacrifices made y your fa ther and ohter famly mewmbers.   You fath er at one stag e was in th e Rverswdale Boys High school and in hat town  you are taught and still is taught to be loyal to your couintry, faith, amd the S pringbok Rugby team 

I do not think they would support  the ultra-left tendency of the Democrats at present because of the Woke Culture as well as policies on sexual orientation and using  of the Justice Department and  FBI to undermine opposition to the pesent Government.   They would know better the danger of processes usd by the NAZI and Communists regimes to oppres opposition against them - the processes being factually associated precisely what the Biden Administration is up to now.   So with you not seeing anything wrong in what is going on as to Trump  persecution on fake charges 

But that is why I think they would have been dsappointed about your prsent conduct and  approach to issues,