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Trump’s collusion admission could mean he’ll be at risk of jail time after leaving office.

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Aug 2018, 21:08
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05 Aug 2018, 21:08#1

...Bean Brain yr mate needs to stop all his drunken tweeting....it's gunna get him locked up..


MSNBC conservative warns Trump he needs to resign now and get immediate Pence pardon after ‘collusion tweet’

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 MSNBC panel was positively stunned by a tweet from Donald Trump on Sunday morning, where the president admitted his oldest son and other campaign officials met with Russians in an attempt to seek dirt on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Sunday morning Trump contradicted previous White House explainations that Donald Trump Jr.’s 2016 meeting in Trump Tower was about orphans, with the president writing, “Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent.”



With the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) maintaining that presidents can’t be prosecuted while still in office, conservative columnist Jennifer Rubin said Trump’s collusion admission could mean he’ll be at risk of jail time after leaving office.

“I’d like to remind Mr. Trump that that ruling only says you can’t be prosecuted while in office,” Rubin explained. “So before he goes out the door, maybe he wants to resign the presidency and has Vice President Pence pardon him because he’s going to be prosecutable as soon as he leaves office.”

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
05 Aug 2018, 21:09
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2018, 06:50
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06 Aug 2018, 06:50#3
Absolutely nothing new here, Trump junior provided all the e mails ages ago. Another fake news explosion which will go nowhere.
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
06 Aug 2018, 07:01
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06 Aug 2018, 07:01#4

If its as fake as all the " Hillary is going to jail" news items that beeno keeps reporting then he is as safe as houses. Look how many years Hillary has been faced with jail but is still free hahahaha

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
06 Aug 2018, 08:41
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06 Aug 2018, 08:41#5
....Bean Brain you'd think the Don and Don Jnr would be able to get their story straight...
Trump lawyer’s latest defense: Our client lied to us...
By Tommy Christopher
Jay Sekulow said he misled the American public about Trump's role in the Trump Tower coverup because of 'bad information' — in other words, because Trump lied to him about what really happened.

Trump attorney Jay Sekulow is finding out just how dirty a job he has in defending Trump — a job that includes publicly admitting his client is a liar who gave him “bad information” about a major scandal.

Trump’s other lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, has apparently learned not to ask questions he doesn’t want to know the answers to. He recently said he didn’t know whether Trump knew about the meeting, even after Trump claimed publicly that he did not.

Trump can get away with lying to reporters, to the American people, and even to his own lawyers — but he won’t be able to get away from Robert Mueller’s investigation into whether he and his campaign associates committed crimes.


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Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
06 Aug 2018, 09:58
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06 Aug 2018, 09:58#6
I'm not sure if the issue of not being prosecuted while in office is that relevant. If the Mueller investigation finds that Trump obstructed justice then he'll be impeached and soon after that he'll be thrown in jail where he belongs.
Bozo's only chance of avoiding jail time is if VP Mike Pence pardons him after he replaces Bozo as president, just like Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon. But remember, Nixon resigned rather than face impeachment charges and the pardon was probably part of the resignation deal. Bozo isn't as smart as Nixon so the enticing prospect of Bozo becoming some low-life's blushing prison-bride is not out of the question.
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
06 Aug 2018, 10:03
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06 Aug 2018, 10:03#7

Imaging beeno if Chump was to forced to resign and had to go to jail. He would explode hahahahaha That thought has just put a smile on my face

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2018, 17:24
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06 Aug 2018, 17:24#8

Horse sh!t from both sides. Hope porn and fear porn and most lap it up...media included. Sheeple indeed.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2018, 17:29
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06 Aug 2018, 17:29#9

HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA THE ONLY FOLK GOING TO PRISON OAKS ARE THE CORRUPT TREASONOUS DEMONRATS.

W ATCH AND LEARN.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2018, 17:39
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06 Aug 2018, 17:39#10

Man the oaks here sure are gull

Media outlets botched another Trump-Russia story on Sunday.

President Donald Trump sent out a tweet Sunday morning defending his son Donald Trump Jr.’s decision to take a July 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer who promised damaging information on then-Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

“Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower,” the president tweeted. “This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics – and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!”

The vast majority of reporting on the president’s tweet portrayed it as a significant admission. The Associated Press reported that Trump “appeared to change his story” and sent out a news alert to that effect.

HuffPost titled its story: “Trump Finally Admits His Campaign Colluded With Russia At Trump Tower Meeting.” (RELATED: Still Lacking Evidence Of Collusion, Democrats Move The Goalposts)

New York Times reporter Jose Del Real called Trump’s tweet an “astonishing and brazen admission.” Both The NYT and The Washington Post portrayed Trump’s tweet as a new and significant development in their coverage on Sunday

There’s just one problem: Trump’s tweet wasn’t a reversal at all. It’s true that Trump’s original explanation for the Trump Tower meeting was that it focused on adoptions, but the president has long since acknowledged that the meeting’s origin was an offer of opposition research. (RELATED: Yet Another Anonymously Sourced Trump-Russia Story Falls Apart)

“I do think this, that taken from a practical standpoint … most people would’ve taken that meeting. It’s called opposition research, or even research into your opponent,” Trump said at a July 13, 2017 press conference. “I’ve only been in politics for two years, but I’ve had many people call up, ‘Oh gee, we have information on this factor or this person,’ or, frankly, Hillary.”

“That’s very standard in politics. Politics is not the nicest business in the world, but it’s very standard where they have information and you take the information, and I think the press made a very big deal out of something that really a lot [of people] would do,” Trump said at the time. (RELATED: CNN Botches ‘Bombshell’ Don Jr. Story)

Axios reporter Jonathan Swan was a notable exception to the widespread media overreaction.

“Trump said nothing substantively different today from what he said last July,” Swan noted. “I don’t understand why people are treating this as breaking news.”

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH AHA

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2018, 18:23
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06 Aug 2018, 18:23#11
Let me help our fake news deluded friends. Here's the tell.....when the Dow drops 1000 points on a Trump story, it could be serious. When it goes up as it's doing this morning it's fake news. See how easy it is if you understand the real world? Every major hedge fund, pension fund and retail investment company has many tentacles into the political process. They would all head for the hills if Trump is in danger, Yesterday's story is another head fake. Stick with Moz.
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Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
06 Aug 2018, 20:06
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06 Aug 2018, 20:06#12
Typical Trumpanzee response . . . fake news . . . but in this case, can you be a bit more specific? What was the fake bit? 
Are you claiming that Trump didn't tweet that he knew what the meeting was about or are you suggesting that colluding with the Russians to get dirt on a political opponent and then lying about it is not obstruction of justice?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2018, 20:39
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06 Aug 2018, 20:39#13
I'm suggesting you leave it to the market to decide if it's a material development.....so far it hasn't raised a ripple.....there, now you have learned something. LMAOFY!
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Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
06 Aug 2018, 22:00
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06 Aug 2018, 22:00#14
You used the word "fake news", not me. Now I'll ask again, which bit of the news under discussion do you consider "fake"? Was Trump's tweet fake or are you saying that colluding with Russians and then lying about it is not an obstruction of justice?
Telling me what you think about the markets doesn't address the question I'm asking you.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2018, 22:46
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06 Aug 2018, 22:46#15
Koos this is well above your paygrade....you're just a mong relying on reports you can't put in context. And I never answer your questions, how many times do I have to explain that to you. Have a nice pop and go to bed.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2018, 23:13
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06 Aug 2018, 23:13#16

Show where trump saVd he knew about Don Jr meeting before the meeting took place.

Also what collusion happened as no info was forthcoming. Further why did the Russian lawyer meet with Fusion GPS before and after the meeting. Also why did the State department give this supposed Russian spy entrance to the USA . Why was she photographed at a democratic meeting.

Assuming there was Russian collusion (Of which their is zero evidence) how can any supposed cover up of collusion be obstruction of justice when collusion itself is not a crime! No money passed hands.

The GOP will pick up Senate seats so any idea Trump will be impeached is delusional. Hahahahahaha haha You need a two thirds majority you ignorant loon!

You are one hell of an ignorant twit KKK. How come you don't talk about proven Russian collusion between the Hillary, the DNC and the Russians you absurd moron?

Given how the Mueller team leak like sieves any evidence of collusion would be out there long time ago.

Mueller will end up in prison for his role in the Uranium 1 scandal. His scandalous behaviour has seen support for his witch hunt plummet in America. My guess is Trump will strike before the November elections. We shall see

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
07 Aug 2018, 00:30
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07 Aug 2018, 00:30#17
...Bean Brain the reason they are not talking about Hillarys collusion  is because collusion is not illegal...
But looks like DT has thrown his son under the bus with his contradictory drunken tweet about the adoption of russian orphans explanation being false ...
so it seems increasingly likely that the first test of whether the Don can pardon someone whose testimony might be directly relevant to his own impeachment could come in the case of his own son...
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2018, 01:25
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07 Aug 2018, 01:25#18
From your vantage point in Mundi Mundi that's your scholarly conclusion......LMAOFY!
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
07 Aug 2018, 03:05
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07 Aug 2018, 03:05#19
...Mozrts only concern is the performance of his shares on the sharemarket ...what a shallow little man...jus t like Trump, demonstrating you don't have to be poor to be white trash...
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
07 Aug 2018, 03:15
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2018, 04:16
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07 Aug 2018, 04:16#21
Woosh ....you can't fix stupid.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2018, 04:29
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07 Aug 2018, 04:29#22
Just for the record Trump said in a tweet over a year ago most politicians would have taken the meeting to get opposition research on their opponent...he also said that on TV. And zilch came out of the meeting.....not even a fake dossier. No new news, a big fat nothing burger. As the stock market showed by making a nice little gain. Hilarious stuff from Fake media....maximum gullibility from the disciples.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
07 Aug 2018, 05:46
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07 Aug 2018, 05:46#23
Latest Donald Trump tweet..."Donald Jnr is not my son. He was my son but only for a very short time"..
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Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
07 Aug 2018, 08:37
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07 Aug 2018, 08:37#24
"Uh . . . we've . . . ummmm . . . looked over the . . . uhh . . . transcripts and . . . it should have been obvious - I thought it would be obvious but I would like to clarify, just in case it wasn't. In a key sentence in my remarks I said the words "an opponent" instead of "Russian orphans" . . . the sentence should have read "this was a meeting to get information on Russian orphans " instead of "this was a meeting to get information on an opponent" . . . a sort of . . . ummm . . . double negative."
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Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
07 Aug 2018, 08:42
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07 Aug 2018, 08:42#25
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Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
07 Aug 2018, 08:43
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07 Aug 2018, 08:43#26
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Koos KombuisClub Pro409 posts
07 Aug 2018, 08:44
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Aug 2018, 11:45
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07 Aug 2018, 11:45#28

@Brycy. How do you square this up?:

  1. The title of this topic, which you started, reads: "Trump’s collusion admission could mean he’ll be at risk of jail time after leaving office."
  2. ...Bean Brain the reason they are not talking about Hillarys collusion  is because collusion is not illegal...

Which one is it? Or is it confirmation of Trey Gowdy's remarks that there are two sets of laws in the US, ie one for the Clintons and one for the rest?

@Eenoorkoos Kombuis.

"Now I'll ask again, which bit of the news under discussion do you consider "fake"? Was Trump's tweet fake or are you saying that colluding with Russians and then lying about it is not an obstruction of justice?"

The problem with your remark lies in the fact that you do not seem to have a very good understanding of the meaning of the term "Obstruction of Justice".

"Obstruction of justice

Obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, is the crime of obstructing prosecutors or other (usually government) officials."

Generally, obstruction charges are laid when it is discovered that a person questioned in an inve stigation, other than a suspect, has lied to the investigating officers."

Now could you please explain at what stage Trump was questioned by any investigating officers or at what stage anything that Trump has done or said since the start of his campaign, could come down to obstruction of justice?

As far "Colluding with the Russians" is concerned, explain how we can say that Trump colluded with the Russians while none of the following is an example of collusion and/or obstruction of justice:

- Obama, on a hot mic, telling a Russian official to say to Putin that he needed to wait until after his (Obama's) re-election, when he would have more leeway.

- Hillary Clinton who paid to dig up dirt from Russians on Donald Trump during the campaign and then hiding that fact from a FISA court judge? How is this not an obstruction of justice while Trump's tweets are?

- The rigging of the DNC vote to get rid of Bernie Sanders.

- And then this beauty. When Adam Schiff was conned into "buying" dirt on Donald Trump. Everybody had a laugh about how he was pranked while nobody paid any atttention (deliberately?) to the fact that he was ready ad willing to "buy" the dirt on Trump.

- Eric Holder and the whole Fast and Furious saga.

- Loretta Lynch and the investigation/matter saga.

- How many times has Hillary Clinton lied to the FBI without any consequences? None whatsoever.

- How many times has James Comey blatantly lied to Congress?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Aug 2018, 12:11
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07 Aug 2018, 12:11#29

Hahahahhahahaha well said Windpomp, these clowns are about as dumb and as ignorant as can be.

Now watch Sean Hannity blow up the failing fake news MSM who are going down the tubes as their credibility continues to plummet. These dummies have to be the most gullible moron around!!!

Sean blows up MSM HAHAHA



...Ceradyne..last week DT and his lawyer Rudy Guiliani argued that collusion is'nt a crime...But today Trump suggested that Killary Clinton should be investigated for this supposed non crime..so maybe you missed the irony of the situation iwas pointing to tongue in cheek.. DT has tweeted collusion is not a crime but that does'nt matter because there was No Collusion ( except by Crooked Hillary and the Democrats)! 

Now we know through the drunken tweeting of DT that Don Jnr lied about the purpose of his meeeting with the Russians,... so Trump  has complicated his legal position if nothing else....but i would;nt be too worried if i was a Trump supporter because nothing seems to stick to Teflon Don...

WHY IT MATTERS

It is illegal for a campaign to accept help from a foreign person or government. The US intelligence community, members of Congress in both parties and even Trump have acknowledged that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election. Mueller is probing whether anyone connected with the President's campaign conspired with Russia to tip the election in Trump's favour. He's also looking at whether Trump's tweets, statements and other actions amount to an attempt to obstruct the investigation.

WAS IT ILLEGAL?

At minimum, the meeting raises counterintelligence concerns for investigators trying to determine foreign efforts to penetrate an American political campaign or sway public policy. But there are potential criminal concerns as well. Federal campaign finance law makes it illegal for a political campaign to accept a "thing of value" from foreign nationals, and it's possible that opposition research — though not in and of itself illegal — could be considered in that category for these purposes.

"It depends on motives and knowledge at the time of the meeting. Willfully soliciting a foreign contribution is a crime," Rick Hasen, a campaign finance expert and law professor at the University of California, Irvine, said in a statement. "You have to kno w you are doing something illegal and the courts would have to consider the opposition research from Russian agents a 'thing of value' for campaign finance purposes."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12102394



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