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Trump’s raising of $250m for fund that ‘did not exist’ suggests possible fraud

Started by Denny6 REPLIES414 VIEWS· 16 Jun 2022, 01:37
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Jun 2022, 01:37
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16 Jun 2022, 01:37#1

The House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack appeared to make the case at its second hearing that Donald Trump and his campaign engaged in potential fundraising fraud, raising $250m for a Trump “election defense fund” that did not actually exist.


The hearing, led by Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren, also showed that Tru mp and the campaign raised millions for the fund and then funneled the money to, among other destinations, the Trump business properties as well as Trump’s own Save America political action committee.

In showing that Trump deceived donors into contributing money to the election defense fund – based on claims about a stolen election that his top advisers told him were nonsense – the panel suggested Trump engaged in potential fraud as well as other violations of federal law.

The select committee said through filings and other evidence, it found the Trump campaign raised $100m in the first week after the election and overall raised about $250m as it asked donors to help fundraise legal challenges to the results.

But the “Official Election Defense Fund”, as it was billed on fundraising emails that were repeatedly sent up until 30 minutes before the Capitol attack, did not formally exist, according to Trump campaign aides Hannah Allred and Gary Coby, who testified to the panel.

“The big lie was also a big ripoff,” Lofgren said of the deception at the hearing, later telling CNN: “He intentionally misled his donors, asked them to donate to a fund that didn’t exist and used the money raised for something other than what it said.”

The Trump campaign was able to fundraise through to January 6 since Trump continued frivolous election litigation past the so-called safe harbor deadline, which is generally accepted as the date by which state-level election challenges – like recounts – must be completed.

The select committee doubled down on establishing Trump’s criminal or corrupt intent in seeking to overturn the 2020 election results by showing he could not have reasonably believed he had defeated Biden when some of his most senior advisers told him otherwise.

Trump was told by every credible adviser, from former attorney general Bill Barr to former Trump campaign chair Bill Stepien to former Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann to former Fox News political editor Chris Stirewalt, that the election was not stolen.

The admissions by Trump’s top officials are significant as they could put federal prosecutors one step closer to being able to charge Trump with obstructing an official proceeding or defrauding the United States on the basis of election fraud claims he knew were false.

The select committee in short made the case that if Trump is ever charged, he could not use the defense that he acted in potential criminal ways because he earnestly believed there was election fraud because he was told otherwise – the doctrine of “wilful blindness”.

At the second hearing, the select committee also revealed a new piece of information: that Trump falsely declared victory on election night at the White House at the insistence of his attorney Rudy Giuliani, and against the advice of every other presidential adviser.

The former president had infamously claimed on election night that “frankly, we did win this election” even though no winner had yet been announced, as a number of the most closely contested states were still counting millions of mail-in ballots.

How Trump came to falsely declare victory on election night was not exactly clear, until the select committee on Tuesday played a video of the top Trump White House aide Jason Miller testifying that Giuliani recommended to Trump they just pretend that they had won.

“They’re stealing it from us,” Giuliani told the then president when he found him at the White House, according to Miller, who also testified that the former New York mayor seemed drunk. “Where do all the votes come from? We need to go say that we won.”

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Obese Donny has been exposed as a Ripoff merchant..........raking millions from the poor to finance a fake fund.

Fraudulent and fake....Lock him up!!!!! 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jun 2022, 02:32
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16 Jun 2022, 02:32#2

Denny

My sympathies are entirely with you - why are you constantly repeating fake news concocted by the Democrats and the media.    What happened in the 2020 election will be properly investigated  by the Republicans when they get control of the House and Senate in November and then all hell is bound to break lose.    There are already hundreds of people charged with systematic election fraud and many more will be charged after the real mess has been exposed.     

In an opinion Poll 61% of the people indicated they do believe there were fraud committed in the 2020 election - of those 18% are registered Democrats.   So lets wait and see whether there was fraud or not,     Anybody who writes "a person seems to be drunk" is clearly lying so try again.      

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Jun 2022, 04:17
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17 Jun 2022, 04:17#3

"My sympathies are entirely with you"

Goeie Genada, glad you stopped short of saying RIP........this is just to remind you that I'm still alive.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2022, 06:48
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17 Jun 2022, 06:48#4

Denny  we have seen you writing on the so-called Russian Hoax - a concoction of lies by the Democratic Party for five ears as if it is the truth.    I am sorry - but you are besotted to an idea started by media lies and that is not a good and balanced thing to do.    My words meant I am sorry that you involve in messes caused by the DP in the USA and re peating it on this site.   

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Jun 2022, 07:43
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17 Jun 2022, 07:43#5

"Denny  we have seen you writing on the so-called Russian Hoax"

Another blatant lie.....find ones from 5 years ago that quote me...go on.

Sies man your lies border on being rude.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jun 2022, 14:05
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17 Jun 2022, 14:05#6

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2022, 14:44
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17 Jun 2022, 14:44#7

Denny

I respect you as a erson - but feeels that yo are easily misled by  Propaganda.   You do not know anything about any fund  other than was claimed in the media.  A few weeks ago you came up with a story that Trump paid for 2016 Inauguration expenses.   Claiming the money was embezzled sby Trump.   There was in fact nothing of the sort - there was a dispute between the Wahington Authorities  - who claimed a ridiculous amount for the services rendered ad had to accept costs of real expenses and the $750 000 was paid in final settlement.   The paper had a paragraph with so-called embezzlement and this is the same garbage repeated by the same lot.

If they had eny evidence why was it never reported to the Police and charges laid?   The whole story is real propaganda bs I am afraid.         

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