Trump Selling America to China

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475

Donald Trump is warning “China will own the United States” if Joe Biden is elected president.

But Trump himself is tens of millions of dollars in debt to China: In 2012, his real estate partner refinanced one of Trump’s most prized New York buildings for almost $1 billion. The debt includes $211 million from the state-owned Bank of China — its first loan of this kind in the U.S. — which matures in the middle of what could be Trump’s second term, financial records show.

But Trump’s recent criticisms of China have been muddied by his own mixed messaging as well as by his numerous financial ties to the country. Those connections extend far beyond the Avenue of the America’s loan: Chinese state-owned companies are constructing two luxury Trump developments in United Arab Emirates and Indonesia. The president and his daughter Ivanka Trump, a White House adviser, have been awarded trademarks by China’s government. And his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has courted Chinese investors in at least one other real estate deal.

“While Trump is talking about the former vice president’s son financial dealings, in Trump’s case, it is the president himself who has a company he still owns and profits from that has financial relationships with the countries that he is supposed to be negotiating with on behalf of the American people,” said Robert Maguire, research director for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

Wait for the libel case to follow.   Good Morning Joe tried the same story and was forced to apologize.  The only difference was that he said it was the Russians.

Unlike the Democrats who took a $1,8 billion bribe from China there is clear evidence that the Democrats are their obedient servants after that,   Trump tore up the  Obama Trade Deal with them because it was undermining the USA,   Within three weeks after delivery -

*   Obama signed the Trade Deal; and 

*   Biden said publicly - "Get real - the Chinese are no threat to the USA". 

The fact is the Democrats tried the same stunt  in 2016 - they were bribed by Putin and they accused Trump of being supported by Putin - while they were Putin's agents.   The Democrats lied and even the Mueller investigation could find no links.   Wikileaks discovered the links between the Democrats and  Russia and it became public knowledge.   

So wait for it - either Politico would apologize or the matter will end up in court.      /       

CM DON'T EVEN BOTHER  REPLYING TO HIS BS POSTINGS.

He posts any and all BS that he finds on PDT.

Left of the left he is. 

Goodness me the clown is just getting more unhinged than ever. What a total mampara!

Nobody has been tougher on China than President Trump!!!!!!!!! Poor Sharkirus is suffering from a very bad case of TDS - folks it is a real psychological illness.

“ All Trump achieved with China was a trade war. It took ages for a pathetic deal to be agreed. “

I know I should just ignore the BS but what the hell. This is the crux. Trump forced Xi into a deal. He could have done what Obama, Bush and Clinton did and just left China to carry on butchering the US economy as per usual or he could have done what he did and put his balls in a vice. 

If China really did this in retaliation as some like to speculate, well how did that work out? If anything, most of the world is now as determined as the USA, bar some of the looney left of course,  to be waaay less dependent on China for anything. 

Sources? I would like to understand how this deal is better than what was already in place.

Trump talked about a better deal, but what he got was the same or worse. 

I posted some material on this recently. He achieved diddly squat 

Oh please. Where have you been? The South Pole?Haven’t you seen the figures of the crap trade balance between China and the USA?

Have you missed the whole saga where the manufacturing  jobs have been lost to China? You remember the part where Saint Obummer told the people that the jobs were gone forever and that they were never coming back? The part where he asked how Trump was thinking of achieving his idea of getting jobs back, a magic wand?

Now you want me to quote my sources? Are you drunk? It is like asking me for sources confirming that the coronavirus has broken out all over the show. 

Free Trade is based on the notion that persistent, chronic trade deficits.... have to be addressed. Both countries are obliged to create a path to better balance. Addressing this Trump was entirely correct, but China wanted no part of it.

So he used tariffs to force China to do what economic theory requires and of course he was immediately accused of being pro tariff. But he persevered and the deal he got was remarkable for a president who wasn’t supported by the establishment and whose authority was undermined by the Muller probe and Impeachment Proceedings.

Fair minded people would recognize getting a good deal was a remarkable accomplishment.

Many of the things Trump talked about were not achieved. Phase 1 is a compromise agreement, it did not achieve many of the goals it set out to do.

China is way behind their promised purchases(e.g. They are buying Beans from South America instead of the US). This has traditionally made up 50% of the agricultural exports to China. 

I have some more info that I posted on another blog post. (About to go surfing now- but will put that up later)'

In the meantime, check these articles out

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2020/01/02/trumps-china-agreement-is-a-fake-deal/#5027ea006acf

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/16/trump-new-china-trade-pact-takeaways/

HOWEVER- this thread was not about the Trade Deal. It is about Trump selling out to China. Trump is in deep with the Bank of China

This clowns drivel just gets more and more absurd! What a big poop poor sharkred virus is! Hahaahahahahahahhaha

He must be getting his info ultimately from China.

“ Posted by: sharkbok (11295 posts)

Experts are saying that it was a very small deal “

Stop digging mate. You are making a bigger fool of yourself every time. There is a good reason why some may call it a small deal. The hint is in the news headlines when it was signed. I will use one of them to try and explain why it may be perceived as “a very small deal”. I hope you get it. 

“What’s in the U.S.-China PHASE ONE Deal and What’s Still Missing”

Get it, or do you need more guidance?

This thread was about Trump selling America.  He is in league with China and the globalists.

There was a thread about the Chinese deal, no need to muddy the water. 

This is why Trump does not want to publish his tax return to the public as it will show he is a hypocrite. Any way to evade paying tax, Trump will do it!

There is no proof of anything in that story at all - if they had any proof whatsoever they would have named the so-called partner.   Could they not have checked out the title deeds of the Projects and determine who are actually registered as owners of the properties, ot a single document that supports the fairy tale,

Dangerous to fall for those kind of things.  

“ Posted by: sharkbok (11304 posts)

This thread was about Trump selling America.  He is in league with China and the globalists.“

Translation. “Stop putting me in a position where I can make a fool of myself. Can’t you see that I am busy suggesting that Trump is the only American who was not allowed to do business with Chinese banks? Not even before he ran for president?” 

What about big corporations who have been selling America?

You don’t suppose Apple May also have dealings with Chinese banks, do you? No problem there, is there? 

What about Acer? Abbot Laboratories perhaps? Or what about AIG Finance and Adidas? You want me to carry on? As you can see, I have only started with the companies starting with “A”. The rest of the A’s are still open before we even start with the rest of the alphabet, right down to Whirlpool, Xerox, Yahoo and Zale Corporation towards the bottom. All of them selling America in Chinese sweatshops.

Anyways. Stay cool Sharkie, stay cool. You have another heartbreaking thread coming your way sometime during the weekend. 

@Ceradyne, the point is that Trump is a hypocrite. He is certainly not the only US company or person to use China, but he is building his campaign on nationalism and American people first. All in the while he is selling prime real estate to China. If Trump would disclose his tax returns, what else could be found? 

Trump says that his political opponent will sell America to China- yet it is fine for Trump to do this. Trump has always faced scrutiny about his tax practises long before he was the US president. 

In most countries, people hate corporates that do tax evasion. See Richard Branson in the UK wants a government bailout for Virgin airlines. However, he does offshore banking to pay less tax. Now he wants the UK taxpayer to bail his company out. I say let his company go bust. Why should we bail him out, if he is a tax evader? 

“ @Ceradyne, the point is that Trump is a hypocrite. He is certainly not the only US company or person to use China, but he is building his campaign on nationalism and American people first. All in the while he is selling prime real estate to China. If Trump would disclose his tax returns, what else could be found?  “

Farking hell but you really are far gone, aren’t you. 

You do know that everybody in the WH and more specifically the President‘s and the Vice President’s financial stuff is being scrutinised on an ongoing basis, don’t you? Same with Congressmen and Senators. 

But don’t let that stand in a the way of a juicy argument, I suppose. 

Also, unlike the Bidens who expanded their international deals when Sleepy Joe became VP, the Trump organisation suspended all their international negotiations. That is apart from Trump himself stepping away from the Trump organisation. 

All of that makes Draad’s donkey clip, in reaction to your petulant reply, extremely appropriate. 

I think you are busy having a mental breakdown. No US President was ever required to produce 40 years of tax returns. 

Imagine the look on JFK’s face when asked for his tax returns since his sixth birthday. Or Jimmy Carter’s face when he had to present his tax return from age 13. Try Bill Clinton’s tax returns from age 7. All of that despite the fact of there not being a legal requirement to do so. 

“ The difference between Trumpanzees and everyone else-  is that everyone else is more objective about politicians.  “

Side splitting shit right there. 

Leftie luvvies law of survival: When you run out of arguments....... meme. 

Other crazies like SB deserve the prize of Supreme Idiots of the Decade,   Careful - it might even be Supreme Idiots of the Century,   If there lies are countered they turn into uncivilized and extremely poor rubbish,   Sick in the mind people they are,  

The younger White make up 58% of the population and Trump had most support from them.  You must be totally devoid of any intelligence if you keep on pushing an anti-religious story - it is BS in buckets.  I even went so far as to post the reference where he could get the demographics of the 2016 election and he still spout rubbish.

Some people just do not think - it is beyond their brain capacity and the only things they follow like sheep is the junk stories in the fake media. 

By the way Obama was not too modern for anything - he acted like an old-time Mafia God father leading the Democratic mob in bribery and corruption.  If you call that modern - you must also call Zuma modern.    

Aaaaaaand there he goes again. Pulling the argument in a totally different direction. What happened to the original argument about Trump selling America to China? 

From that to salty the Salty Millennials. Sorry, Gen Z. 

By now it should be quite clear that any type of attempt at reasonable discussion with SB is basically both a waste of time and impossible.

The question one has to ask is why it appears so impossible to for them to make a case for their side?

If Trump is half, or even a quarter as bad a they "believe", then it should be easy pickings.

Unfortunately any objective adult that reads these threads quite quickly comes to the the conclusion SB and cronies actually have nothing in the cupboard. Interestingly, the skulls are similarly devoid of anything substantial.

What a shame. 

Honestly, wouldn't it be great to have some knowledgeable and respectable posters on the other team?

Instead we have these meme heroes and guys that make a claim only to run, deviate or flat out misrepresent the moment going gets tough.

What's notable is that this type of behaviour seems to permeate the present lefties. Like there is some subliminal checklist of poor character traits that sucks one to the left.

Most recently Shark and Rooi have been asking people if they've drank or injected disinfectant yet.

That should tell you everything you need to know about how pointless discussion with either of them is.

Seriously, what shame. And how juvenile.

“ The question one has to ask is why it appears so impossible to for them to make a case for their side?“

Exactly Plum. Even when they think they have a leg to stand on, they seem to self inject that leg with local anaesthetic. They remind me of this dentist. 

Shark towards the end of a thread he started to rubbish Trump. 

America is the only superpower, but it's built on the backs of a bunch of stupid, backward rednecks? Genius deduction abilities at work there...  

“ Posted by: sharkbok (11328 posts)

The US is the largest Western nation. 50% are Democrats, many of whom are smart.  “

Wow, brilliant!! 

Then again, that is not quite true now is it? Have we forgotten that the Dems have a faction within the Democrats that call themselves socialists? A faction that is forever fighting the Dem machinery? 

Be that as it may, by implication you are also saying that 50% of Americans are Republicans. 

“ Their are smart Republicans, but many are the below-average intelligence people of America “

Sources?

"There are some smart Republicans, but these are typically the richer ones. Most of the Republicans are below average intelligence and let the Church think for them." 

Shark won't be able to list markers for intelligence without first consulting Wiki, yet he wishes to ascribe his version of "not intelligent" to a large social group that he has never had contact with.

A social group which is the backbone of the world's leading nation.

Seriously. 

BTW The average IQ of Calafornia is...wait for it...wait for it...............

95.4 -> the third lowest out of 50 states.

New York...wait for it....wait for it...

100.7 -> 26th on the list.

Oh fuck it, let me just go full on in embarrassing this imbecile and post all the scores for 50 states...

1. Massachusetts    104.3
2. New Hampshire    104.2
3. North Dakota    103.8
4. Vermont    103.8
5. Minnesota    103.7
6. Maine    103.4
7. Montana    103.4
8. Iowa    103.2
9. Connecticut    103.1
10. Wisconsin    102.9
11. Kansas    102.8
12. New Jersey    102.8
13. South Dakota    102.8
14. Wyoming    102.4
15. Nebraska    102.3
16. Virginia    101.9
17. Washington    101.9
18. Ohio    101.8
19. Indiana    101.7
20. Colorado    101.6
21. Pennsylvania    101.5
22. Idaho    101.4
23. Oregon    101.2
24. Utah    101.1
25. Missouri    101
26. New York    100.7
27. Michigan    100.5
28. Delaware    100.4
29. North Carolina    100.2
30. Texas    100
31. Illinois    99.9
32. Maryland    99.7
33. Rhode Island    99.5
34. Kentucky    99.4
35. Oklahoma    99.3
36. Alaska    99
37. West Virginia    98.7
38. Florida    98.4
39. South Carolina    98.4
40. Georgia    98
41. Tennessee    97.7
42. Arkansas    97.5
43. Arizona    97.4
44. Nevada    96.5
45. Alabama    95.7
46. New Mexico    95.7
47. Hawaii    95.6
48. California    95.5
49. Louisiana    95.3
50. Mississippi    94.2

Check this thread for demographics. It is clear the more religious and dumb someone is, the more likely they are to be Republican

 https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/beenos-trumpet/the-2-further-right-wings-of-america-compared/32258/

See below for a summary of points.

The source is https://www.pewresearch.org/

I quoted my sources, unlike Plumpanzee, who just found some religious right-wing website with about 10 members. 

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The bottom line is that what some consider an ideology, will be classified as officially backward in less than 20 years in the US.