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Trump to be Impeached - Hurrah?

Started by clevermike6 REPLIES513 VIEWS· 25 Sept 2019, 04:26
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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2019, 04:26
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25 Sept 2019, 04:26#1

I was following the story for a while now and it became clear to me that the Democrats have now decided to go ahead with an investigation relating to impeachment.   Politically that would open up an interesting set of hearings that would be fin to watch.   The process in fact started already and the Democrats embarrassed themselves in the case of the first witness.   This will be followed by others,

So why did the Democrats started the process?   There are a number of reasons for that so lets try and identify  those:-

1   The Democrats never accepted the election loss in 2016 and tried numerous times tp try and get rid of Trump from the word go.  Despite hysteric support from elements in the media every effort this far failed.   What really happened in the election and determined efforts to avoid Trump from winning were initiated and the origins of the Mueller Investigation are no coming out slowly.   It I becoming evident that the role of the DNC and the Obama Administration in the process will be seriously problematic for the Democrats - so the need for the sideshow to turn away the attention of people from the actions of the Obama Administration and the DNC is important,

2  Trump said before the 2016 election that Clinton was corrupt - but the evidence on that was hushed up by the FBI,  Even though the election was lost the Democrats still had their agents in the Justice Department to help them and help them they did through the appointment of Mueller as Special Council and ensure that his entire team are made up of Democrat supporters.  The situation is now that is going to be extremely necessary to move attention away from -

   *   the Uranium  1 issue involving all of Obama, Biden and Clinton in alleged bribery and corruption - this was hushed up previously by the FBI and the Obama administration - but the danger is getting more seriously by the day that the matter will be reviewed and investigations intensified into the $145 000 000 subsequently paid by the Russians to the Clinton Foundation;

   *   The involvement of Biden's  (father and son) in the corruption issue - another case covered up by the FBI - and now a key reason for the effort of the DP to divert attention away from that one;

    *    The payment of $1,5 billion by the Chinese to Hunter Biden for investment purposes - but there are serious rumours about the money being used to fund the 2016 election campaign of the DP and e need to keep Government away from further investigating that issue,  

The next 2 questions are what are the chances of success in this case and what can Trump do about the issue?

The chances of success    

1   Insofar as collusion with Russians is concerned in his campaign there is no chance that the Mueller Report will enhance their case.   Any allegations of collusion will be dead and buried since Mueller could not prove it despite desperate efforts by him and his staff to prove it was unsuccessful.

2   There was no real evidence provided as to obstruction of the Mueller Investigation and even Mueller was practically given what he asked for and the hearings could not find evidence of anything other means of obstruction other than discussions with Trump and there was no resultant action factually taken to obstruct Mueller in his investigation and he admitted it when giving evidence I the House on his report.

3.   The whistleblower story about the Ukraine issue is flimsy - so other than the leak to the Washington Post by an informant not present during the  telephone conversation as to  what Trump actually told the new Ukraine President is a non starter,

So where is the evidence to conclude that impeachment should proceed.  Seems the only evidence that would come out is that he is being persecuted on political grounds and hat is not going to help the DP in their efforts.  The Senate may not even start the next phase of the Impeachment Process and even if they do the chances of getting 67 Senate voptes needed is zero. 

What can Trump and the RP do                               

There are various moves that can cause havoc for the DP in future.

1    Barr can appoint a Special  Council to investigate the Uranium 1, the Ukraine issue and the Chinese investment issues that could be really be implicated the DP in serious bribery and corruption issues.

2    The RP members of the House could ask for documents and call witnesses that would cause real embarrassment politically for the DP,  In the upcoming election year it could cause havoc for the DP.

3    Fact is that the while move could backfire on the DP.

The fun is going to be seen over the next six months or longer - so lots of enjoyment for a lot of people is coming up.

One wonders why the DP started a process that would harm them extensively in the upcoming election?             

                           

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2019, 04:26
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25 Sept 2019, 04:26#2

Duplication

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Sept 2019, 12:23
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25 Sept 2019, 12:23#3

This guy is not even a whistle-blower. He is not part of the intelligence committee. 

The so called whistle-blower didn't ever hear the phone call. 

The Ukrainian President said he was never pressurized by Trump. 

It was Trump's legal responsibility to ask Ukraine to look into the Biden family corruption. 

The Intelligence IG  has just said the "whistle-blower" was a person who was biased against Trump.

Only a vote in the House can initiate an impeachment. No such vote has taken place. 

Havard law professor Emeritus says the are no grounds for impeachment. 

On the other hand everything points to the Biden having been involved in corruption. Evidence even exists Biden did speak to Hunter about his business. 

This looks like another disaster for the Demonrats so hurrah indeed. 

In all my life I have never encountered such a bunch of lying no goods as these demonrats. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2019, 12:33
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25 Sept 2019, 12:33#4

Beeno

You must remember the Democrats are inherently corrupt  so they do not regard corruption is illegal.   They are afraid of further evidence coming out of the issue could implicate themselves so as far as I am concerned they are trying t o divert attention away from themselves. 

I wish Barr appoints a Special Council to look at the Biden's connection to funds coming from Ukraine and China through the Biden's and what happened to the finds.   There are rumours that it was in the main used to fund the Democratic election campaign in 2016 and that would mean treason at minimum.    If that is true the Democratic Party would write themselves off as a political party in the USA.   

The Democratic Socialists can then officially join the Communist Party becoming what they really are.         

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Sept 2019, 13:02
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25 Sept 2019, 13:02#5

Mike i see that Tony Podesta got off scot free for doing the things that Mannafort did. Comey was not prosecuted for the leaks.

Now the biggest question is what is Barr doing.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2019, 14:01
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25 Sept 2019, 14:01#6

Beeno

As far as I could make out they have bigger things to charge Comey with and that of the new expected reports come in they will add all the charges together and  hit him with all things he did illegally.   The initial Comey report was just about one issue.   There are also the FISA application to come in and lastly the report of the Lawyer investigating where the Russian Hoax story originated and how that led to the appointment of Special Council Mueller.  

Comey will  have to face a Grand Jury and it is useless  to deal with one issue only - there is a possibility that he could get away with that one - but not with all.  

Patience is a virtue - so lets wait and see where it goes, 

  

  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2019, 17:37
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25 Sept 2019, 17:37#7

The transcript of the DP is out and it is clear that the Democrats wanted to protect Biden and the DP,   Unfortunately the whistleblower was not in any way acquainted with what was said by Trump and by the Ukrainian President,

However the thing is that there was no link to any aid by the USA to Ukraine,   The real issue is that the Democrats created all kinds of future problems for themselves,   Obama knew about the payment to Biden's son ($3 000 000)  because eh justified it for services rendered -  but did he know about the payment to Biden himself ($4 000 000).

What is also clear is that the Chinese gave Biden's son $1,5 billion to invest for them and the money was paid  to a company run by Hunter Biden, Kerry's stepson and the nephew of a gangster,   What happened to that money - where did it go to?   It very much looked like a bribe to many people.

Barr is also involved in the investigation of the Ukraine and China issue and this time around there may be some real action for a change and the matter will not be hushed up by Obama.   

he real issue is that money laundering using dollars is a crime - irrespective of where in the world it happened,    The genie I now out of the bottle and the DP will not be able to get it back in.   

Any idea who shared that $1,5 billion?   Obama, Biden, Kerry, Clinton, the DNC?             

   

  

   

           

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