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Two highly experienced Californian doctors in the field speak out about Wuhan Virus (Excellent)

Started by Beeno120 REPLIES571 VIEWS· 25 Apr 2020, 20:33
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Apr 2020, 20:33
#1
25 Apr 2020, 20:33#1

One of the best clips you will see.


HERE

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Apr 2020, 21:45
#2
25 Apr 2020, 21:45#2

Note particular ly the extremely low death rates now being calculated!

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Apr 2020, 23:11
#3
25 Apr 2020, 23:11#3

Very good video.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Apr 2020, 23:50
#4
25 Apr 2020, 23:50#4

I agree with most of the conclusions, but you can’t simply divide  the deaths for confirmed cases....by the number implied by the sample infection rates for the population as a whole, to get  a revised  death rate. The numbers I have  run suggests a death rate between 0.1% and 0.4%.....maybe up to 4 times higher than the flu...but not the disaster that was predicted.


That aside I agree with most of their  conclusions and suggestions..smart practical guys.


The highlights were a blogger who coined the term Dr Faulty....too true. And I also enjoyed one of the comments that Faucci hadn’t seen a patient for 20 years....also true.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
26 Apr 2020, 02:22
#5
26 Apr 2020, 02:22#5
I hesitate to take a flu vaccine and if one comes out for Covid it'll be an interesting decision.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Apr 2020, 11:16
#6
26 Apr 2020, 11:16#6

Be afraid, be very afraid if the whole world start pushing for something, it's probably the worst possible choice. The world wide hysterics should have been the first clue that we are being driven like a herd of cattle to the slaughter. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2020, 12:07
#7
26 Apr 2020, 12:07#7

To get the death ratio you have to make an estimate of the people who did not report but who were infected. Because of the numbers being tested this can now be done with some accuracy. From what one can ascertain the death rate are not more than 0.1 % and could be even lower.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Apr 2020, 12:14
#8
26 Apr 2020, 12:14#8

You want to tell me Dr Fauci is so stupid he quotes the WHO Wuhan death ratio of 3.4% that does not include any estimate of unreported Wuhan infections and compares this to the USA flu deaths ratio that include an estimate of 36 million unreported flu infections.

Dr Fauci was not comparing apples with apples and he MUST have know this as must Tedros of WHO. This is a falsification, a hoax of gigantic proportions and caused the mass panic. Face facts it is impossible this was a simple error!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2020, 16:47
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26 Apr 2020, 16:47#9

The trouble with that approach is the deaths are reflecting infections 2 to 3 weeks ago......the infection rate in the sample reflects the situation now. Given the curves the calculation of:


Total deaths/current sample projected infections


...needs to be adjusted by reducing the denominator  by 60%. That means the 0.1% rate is more likely in the 0.25% range.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Apr 2020, 17:17
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26 Apr 2020, 17:17#10

It is weird that the totally unreliable figures  in SA that there are real problems in the imapct assessments worldwide.

In SA he figures are as follows:-

*   Tests done  =   161 004

*    Positives    =      4 361

*    Recoveries =      1 473

*    Deaths        =           89

I call the figures unreliable because only about 0,028% has been tested  and the positive potentially much higher than what was given above.  Overall whether that is enough to scare the shi t out of people and cause a near to total collapse in the SA economy remains questionable.  .       

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AJHPro3,183 posts
26 Apr 2020, 17:34
#11
26 Apr 2020, 17:34#11

What a surprise no response from the Snowflakes.

Perhaps they have finally understood what the truth really is.

Or they are frantically searching the Media channels to find an "UNTRUE LEFT" version of the true facts.

Great video.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2020, 19:39
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26 Apr 2020, 19:39#12
One way to fact check the finding of roughly a 0.25%. death rate is to look at just the older population. The group over 55 in New York constitutes 20% of the population. And again looking at the Diamond Princess population of older people the death rate looks to be about 2%.
So that group in an age weighted average calculation of death rates contributes 0.2X.02=0.4%. That’s  likely to be high because  the Princess is a stress test of the numbers.  The below 55 group will contribute very little
So 0.25% continues to be a reasonable guess.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Apr 2020, 19:56
#13
26 Apr 2020, 19:56#13

"What a surprise no response from the Snowflakes."

Indeed. Did you hear how aggressive the laymen journalists reacted when they realized that the obvious deduction off the data went against the "official narrative"?

Things are so obvious and yet most people are not prepared to face what's right in front of them...clear as daylight. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Apr 2020, 20:16
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26 Apr 2020, 20:16#14

It’s hard to get good comparable numbers on the flu...but if we take two comparables that are bandied around,  the flu has a 0.1% fatality rate, 90% of which is in the over 65s, who in turn constitute 12% of the population.

That means the >65 DR = 0.1*0.9*[100/12]=0.75


So those numbers suggest flu is 0.1% death rate and 0.75% death rate over 65. Perhaps something in the order of 0.5% over 55.


Whereas Wuhan is a 0.2 % death rate and a 2% death rate over 55. 


That suggests Wuhan is twice as lethal as the flu over all and 4 times as lethal for those over 65.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Apr 2020, 08:20
#15
27 Apr 2020, 08:20#15

Still not nearly serious enough to chance a world wide economic implosion...

The figures for South Africa are starting to look much worse though...The townships are being hit hard ATM. Kayalitsha, Mitchellsplein and Du Noon being the hotspots in the Western Cape.

 I hear lots of rumours....One being that over 30% of the tests done in Kayalitsha are positive...frightening if true.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Apr 2020, 08:33
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27 Apr 2020, 08:33#16

That's why the lockdown was useless in SA, Draad. You cannot lock down people living on top of each other like that. A destructive exercise from which will gain nothing.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Apr 2020, 16:03
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27 Apr 2020, 16:03#17

Yes....herd immunity is the likely course for the countries with huge populations in poverty. Lockdowns are a delusion.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Apr 2020, 16:41
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27 Apr 2020, 16:41#18

The Wuhan virus is no more deadly than the Flu.

When it comes to younger people its much less deadly apart from those with pre existing conditions

Posting a very interesting clip now about donor transplants which has interesting info re stats. look at the far below flu risks for younger people i.e. the vast majority of the workforce.

The snowflakes have taken a big beating on this issue from day one. The clowns still don't get it. No clue whatsoever.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2020, 06:15
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28 Apr 2020, 06:15#19

They may have been highly interesting and experienced, but they have just been axed by YouTube. Apparently they never toed the party line sufficiently well....there will be no free speech on the Wuhan virus.


This is truly getting extreme.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Apr 2020, 10:34
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28 Apr 2020, 10:34#20

...As I warned right at the start where I said when this is all said and done, we'll all be less free.

Geez, my crystal ball is reliable.

But wait, there's more.

Big tech already have access to all your personal communications and internet activity. Once this virus settles, private companions will have permission to track every last one of your movements without a warrant. At that point it's not longer true metadata but instead analytics data. For those that don't know the difference, look it up.

I'll make another prediction too...

We'll read much more about Trump's tweets than we will about exactly how (insert carrier here) will be allowed analyse our movement data.

And this begs the question, are they still private companies or are they government organs?

Slowly people begin to understand the value of blockchain technology.

I speculated around 2012 that a personality anti-virus would soon appear. An app that disguises and encrypts your communications, both written and spoken. I feel it's reasonable to assume that phones with dead switches and location blockers are also on the way.

Hopefully, sooner rather than later, a few big personalities and some whale'ish investors see the benefit in blockchain video sharing sites where free speech can once again exist.

I've had my ear to the ground in that respect for some years now and whereas only three years ago it was hardly mentioned, today most of the big podcasters and content creators are leaning towards the need for a new platform. Good news I guess.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Apr 2020, 13:10
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28 Apr 2020, 13:10#21

Spot on Plum.

I posted a few says back a Next News interview of a a brilliant Dr Rashid Buttar. He exposed the lies being told about the Wuhan Virus. The clip had over 9 million views when it was deleted by You Tube!

Note the following headlines form the reliable Gateway Pundit whch you wont see on CNN no doubt:

Judge Rules Illinois Governor Exceeded Authority, Violated Civil Rights with Coronavirus Stay-at-Home OrderA judge on Monday ruled Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker’s Coronavirus stay-at-home order exceeded his emergency authority and violated civil rights, the Washington Times reported.
Bill Barr Orders US Attorneys to be on the “Lookout” For Abuses of Power by Government Officials Amid Coronavirus PandemicUS Attorney General Bill Barr on Monday issued a 2-page memo ordering US Attorneys to be on the “lookout” for state and local directives that could be violating the constitutional rights and civil liberties of individual citizens amid the Coronavirus pandemic.

Ex The Liberty Daily:PATHETIC: Fox News Dumps Diamond & Silk For Allegedly Promoting ‘Conspiracy Theories’ about Coronavirus
Washington Post Publishes Damning Report On Trump Admin. DNI Ric Grenell Debunks It.Complete fake news again
Was very surprised to see communist Michael More's latest documentary Planet of the Humans calling out these fake greenies!Will put the clip up. Note you will notice You Tube have frozen the number of views to days ago and you cant like or dislike the clip!! You Tube would love to delete this clip as well no doubt One can go on and on about fake news censorship and to help out dumbasses like sharkvirus and poor Redrooi, dense deni se and ou brycy we must labour on . Bob blob also needs plenty of de brain washing!!! These are very gullible souls one must nurse back to reality!


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