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Ukraineosing the war a dodo g the peace deal.

Started by Beeno17 REPLIES307 VIEWS· 21 Nov 2025, 11:11
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2025, 11:11
#1
21 Nov 2025, 11:11#1

This article outlines the new US peace deal.

The deal reflects the realities on the battle field and will mean the Ukraine loses the Donbass and Crimea.

As Beeno, Mike and others pointed out the NATO backed Ukraine were never going to beat Russia.

Gone now are the heady days when the Mamparas Union (political branch) were deleriously proclaiming that the Ukraine army would soon reach Moscow. That Russia would be broken up and plundered, that Putin would be overthrown by an internal revolt, that Putin would shortly die of cancer., that the Russian economy would collapse. Etc etc etc. ALL GLOBALIST FAKE NEWS.

Leading the charge was of course arch buffoon mozzietard the mong. Has this guy been right about anything of consequence!

In vain did Mike and I and others try to explain that this was a war instigated by US led NATO. Nope said the whacked out weirdoes of the Mampara Union. To these hapless loons Putin woke up one morning and out of the blue decided to send in a small 90,000 man expeditionery force to defeat the 650, 000 strong UK army.

We called it an absurd, unexccesdary war. Mozzietard was most put out. After all he was " well positioned" to take advantage of this war as he has undoubtedly done via previous US wars, via his Raytheon shares. Beeno supports the Russians he shrieked in a meltdown. Etc etc.

Now here wee see the outcome. I always thought the Russian populated areas of Ukraine, historically part of Russia should revert to Russia given how the Zelensky regime has persecuted these people..

This is largely happening. At the moment it looks like Odessa, historically a Russian city will remain under Ukraine rule. However if the war continues Ukraine could lose Odessa as well. That would be disastrous of course.

All this is very upsetting to the Globalists whose power over the West is crumbling.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/11/new-new-28-point-peace-plan-russia-ukraine/



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2025, 21:22
#2
21 Nov 2025, 21:22#2

Actually it’s upsetting to decent people, possibly over a million dead because Putin chose to break international law in an unprovoked attack on a smaller country….but what’s 1 million lives. It takes a very strange kind of human being to be celebrating that.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Nov 2025, 03:41
#3
22 Nov 2025, 03:41#3

Mozart


Just a question to you about the fact that 28% of the people in Ukraine havve Russian as there home language - in the Crimea it is 85% - and the G ovenment of Ukraine ban and fine people if they speak Russian and abn Russian as a languag e in school, Is it right that the Cosntitutuion of the country and that if the people of Eastern Ukraine have zero rights and if the refuse to speak Russian and beieve in Orthodix Church and ban the chuurch is not resisting oppresion and threats that if they refuse t change they would be wiped ot or expelled from Ukraine as part of ethnic cleansing. Is it rig ht that the Ukraine G overnment hae he right to arrest all Russian Speaking parliament member sin Ukraine.


Is it right hat the people must submit to such rule and accept that their fuiture in teh area that for cnetues was part of Russia must now submit their human rights totally and if they refuse they are to be killed off or get rid off through ethnic cleansing?


That led to the start of a Civil War in Eastern Ukraine egged on by the Obama and later on the Biden Administration. Around Zelenskyy abd his cromies are people linked to the Bandera aAssociation - Bandera was the Ukraine leader that co-operated with the Nazi's in WW2. Those people makes up a major part of the Ukraine Government the UA supported in Ukraine,


Do you realize that Ukraine was attacking the people of Eastern Ukraine and when they resisted a full scale civil war broke out in 2014 and morphed into a full scale war in 2022. Weeks before he war started all Russian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament were arrested - never charged of any crinmes and nobody knows whether they are sill alive or not. Do you further realize that while 89% of the Ukraine populationa re linked to the Ukraine Orthodox Church was banned because the religion has similar processes in every country where the Orthodox Churches have influence. A typical example is Serbia. hen therre was a civil war in Serbia between the Muslim minority in Ksovo the USA bombed Belgrade until the Serban Government surrendered and that never settled the Kosovo problem and it is even a hero of yours - Novak Djokovic - openly dispaly hatred of the USA as a result,. Fir enturies Russian fought eforts to wippe out Russia even though they hated their own Governments,


In any event Zelenskyy is not the hero the media made him put to be. I do not blalme anybody for the war bcause sibce both sidea uib the civil serious problems. Th ise problems should in the first instance be solved by negitiations - but whenever negotiations were tried it was undermined by the US Government, Take for instanc the ceasefire negiotiations in Ukraine. When Blinken found out tajat substantial progress were made in ending the war in April 2022 the US Secerary of State told the Ukraine Foreign Minsiter to leave Istanbul to elave Istanbul thats ame day and not intial the ceasfire agreement to be submitted to Zelenskyy and PPurin as a basis to end the war before the real destruction of Ukraine really started. So who really governed in Ukraine - Kiev otr Washington.


I hate what happened in Uraine - but not only the blame is with the Russians only is not real - therre were and are problms caused by both sides and I hate hat Putin did in the War and still do. But I undertand that giving him cntrol iver the area where the Ukraine Government would wipe out human rights.totally - is looking at negotiations as a negative, So I believe concessions on both sides will be be the only way any peace agrement will succeed, Anything else will cause destruction of war to continue as indfinately. Zelenskyy des nt ant peace in Uraine because he can Govern the country as long as he war continues without the need to have elections in Ukraine. If you think tha major corruption in the Ukraine Govenment is not known by the Uklraine people you must be kidding yourself,.


In the end do you realize and my qiuetion to you is must the Russian speaking people be treated as human trash that can be dealt with worse than the Blacks in SA were until was mild compared to what happened to the Russian speaking people of Eastern Ukraine.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Nov 2025, 03:41
#4
22 Nov 2025, 03:41#4

Mozart


Just a question to you about the fact that 28% of the people in Ukraine havve Russian as there home language - in the Crimea it is 85% - and the G ovenment of Ukraine ban and fine people if they speak Russian and abn Russian as a languag e in school, Is it right that the Cosntitutuion of the country and that if the people of Eastern Ukraine have zero rights and if the refuse to speak Russian and beieve in Orthodix Church and ban the chuurch is not resisting oppresion and threats that if they refuse t change they would be wiped ot or expelled from Ukraine as part of ethnic cleansing. Is it rig ht that the Ukraine G overnment hae he right to arrest all Russian Speaking parliament member sin Ukraine.


Is it right hat the people must submit to such rule and accept that their fuiture in teh area that for cnetues was part of Russia must now submit their human rights totally and if they refuse they are to be killed off or get rid off through ethnic cleansing?


That led to the start of a Civil War in Eastern Ukraine egged on by the Obama and later on the Biden Administration. Around Zelenskyy abd his cromies are people linked to the Bandera aAssociation - Bandera was the Ukraine leader that co-operated with the Nazi's in WW2. Those people makes up a major part of the Ukraine Government the UA supported in Ukraine,


Do you realize that Ukraine was attacking the people of Eastern Ukraine and when they resisted a full scale civil war broke out in 2014 and morphed into a full scale war in 2022. Weeks before he war started all Russian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament were arrested - never charged of any crinmes and nobody knows whether they are sill alive or not. Do you further realize that while 89% of the Ukraine populationa re linked to the Ukraine Orthodox Church was banned because the religion has similar processes in every country where the Orthodox Churches have influence. A typical example is Serbia. hen therre was a civil war in Serbia between the Muslim minority in Ksovo the USA bombed Belgrade until the Serban Government surrendered and that never settled the Kosovo problem and it is even a hero of yours - Novak Djokovic - openly dispaly hatred of the USA as a result,. Fir enturies Russian fought eforts to wippe out Russia even though they hated their own Governments,


In any event Zelenskyy is not the hero the media made him put to be. I do not blalme anybody for the war bcause sibce both sidea uib the civil serious problems. Th ise problems should in the first instance be solved by negitiations - but whenever negotiations were tried it was undermined by the US Government, Take for instanc the ceasefire negiotiations in Ukraine. When Blinken found out tajat substantial progress were made in ending the war in April 2022 the US Secerary of State told the Ukraine Foreign Minsiter to leave Istanbul to elave Istanbul thats ame day and not intial the ceasfire agreement to be submitted to Zelenskyy and PPurin as a basis to end the war before the real destruction of Ukraine really started. So who really governed in Ukraine - Kiev otr Washington.


I hate what happened in Uraine - but not only the blame is with the Russians only is not real - therre were and are problms caused by both sides and I hate hat Putin did in the War and still do. But I undertand that giving him cntrol iver the area where the Ukraine Government would wipe out human rights.totally - is looking at negotiations as a negative, So I believe concessions on both sides will be be the only way any peace agrement will succeed, Anything else will cause destruction of war to continue as indfinately. Zelenskyy des nt ant peace in Uraine because he can Govern the country as long as he war continues without the need to have elections in Ukraine. If you think tha major corruption in the Ukraine Govenment is not known by the Uklraine people you must be kidding yourself,.


In the end do you realize and my qiuetion to you is must the Russian speaking people be treated as human trash that can be dealt with worse than the Blacks in SA were until was mild compared to what happened to the Russian speaking people of Eastern Ukraine.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
22 Nov 2025, 06:08
#5
22 Nov 2025, 06:08#5

Total unmitigated bollocks for which sleep deprivation probably contributes but nevertheless a shameful & total misrepresentation. Hang your head .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Nov 2025, 18:15
#6
25 Nov 2025, 18:15#6

BB


Unfortunately not - it os factual. You do not dscriminate against people because their home lan guage happens to be Russian. You don't find people speaking Russian in the street as f it is a criminal offense,


You don't destroy teh constitution of a country like happenedd,


You do not ban Rusin as s language in schools - when 28% of the reeidents inUkraine are ussian speaking.


Instead of trying to ensure a peaceful negoiated issue - the USA was encuraging the civil war in Eastern Ukraine `


ou don't ban a chirch which 80% of the population belong s to


You do not arrest members of Parliament because heir him language is Russian. and keep hem in jail - of theya re sstill alve - without a trial.


You do not threaten people with ethnic cleansing if they do not chan ge their language and cultue.


You do not impeach people when here is a hreat of exposire by the Government of the USA - knowing that the two US House member directly linked to corruption in Ukraine leads the charge.


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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
25 Nov 2025, 18:38
#7
25 Nov 2025, 18:38#7

DumbMike, do you know what Zelenksky's first language is?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Nov 2025, 02:04
#8
26 Nov 2025, 02:04#8
Ukraine: 150 classrooms of children killed or injured since start of full-scale war

10 Sep 2025 Ukraine

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The equivalent of about 150 classrooms of children have been killed or injured in Ukraine since the start of full-scale war

KYIV, 10 September 2025 – The equivalent of about 150 classrooms of children have been killed or injured in Ukraine since the start of full-scale war, Save the Children said just days after further attacks on Kyiv killed civilians including a baby. [1]

New United Nations figures published today show there have been 3,018 child casualties - including 733 killed and 2,285 injured - across Ukraine since February 2022, highlighting the grave violations against children that are ongoing in the conflict and illegal under international law.

With hostilities escalating over the past few months, it is more critical than ever that all parties to the conflict ensure civilians are protected, Save the Children said. This includes refraining from the use of explosive weapons in populated areas that pose a serious risk to children.

Sonia Khush, Save the Children Country Director in Ukraine, said:

“With every passing day of this war, the risk to children and civilians is amplified. Over the past few months, we’ve seen escalating attacks on civilian areas that suggest a flagrant disregard for children and their rights.

“It’s simple: classrooms should be full of children learning and smiling, not the metric for them populating graveyards and hospital wards. It is more critical than ever before that parties to the conflict ensure civilians are protected – including stopping the use of explosive weapons in populated areas which can tear children’s bodies apart and leave them with lifelong injuries.”

Save the Children has been working in Ukraine since 2014 and has scaled up operations since the war escalated in February 2022 and now has a team of about 250 staff based in Kyiv, Kharkiv, Sumy, Mykolaiv, Dnipro, and Chernivtsi. Working with more than 25 partners, the organisation has provided support to more than 4.2 million people, including around 1.6 million children.

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[1] New UN data shows 3,000 children have been killed or injured since February 2022. Using the national Ukrainian average of 20 children to a classroom, we divided 3000 by 20 to reach 150.


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