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Ukrainians Withdraw from Avdiivka After Four Month Battle with Russia

Started by Beeno129 REPLIES867 VIEWS· 17 Feb 2024, 19:57
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Feb 2024, 19:57
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17 Feb 2024, 19:57#1

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) – Ukraine’s military chief said early Saturday that he’s withdrawing troops from the city of Avdiivka in eastern Ukraine, where outnumbered defenders have battled a Russian assault for four months.


But, but I thought the Ukrainians were on their way to Moscow etc etc etc. What utter drivel by brainwashed zombies.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Feb 2024, 20:33
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17 Feb 2024, 20:33#2

Let me explain something  to the site members Avdivka is apparently just 20 kilometers from Donetsk and was especially fortified and use ddo attack the city of  Donetsk.   After the Russian stopped their threat of Ukraine - the Ukraine army moved 60 000 troops to Eastern Ukraine  crush the rebels in Donetsk.    The Russian saw what was happening and despatched troops to protect te city and  then started moving forward and captured about 20% of Ukraine in the process.

Avdivka was the strongest  point of the Ukraine army on the whole frontline  of the Ukraine  Army.   The signs became bad for the Ukraine army when  the Russians just pushed through the frntline of he Ukraine army and captured Maryinka and then tuirned south adn the russians were around the cikt y and attacked from multiple sides. .      

Th e [rpblem is with A vdivka gomne the whole frontline will fall back further westwards and its capacity to repel the Russians will be reduced.    So the next targets of the Ukraine army will be Kharkov and Odessa and then the Russians will be he last two cities they will conquer 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2024, 21:35
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17 Feb 2024, 21:35#3

The Ukrainians saw a risk of being surrounded and so they withdrew……exactly the explanation given by the Russians when they pulled back their tanks. Russia has more troops and will likely win some kind of victory, but it’s already too late. They have lost the aura of an irresistible force.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
17 Feb 2024, 21:54
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17 Feb 2024, 21:54#4
The attacking side loses more men. Even Putin said that the attacking side loses about 3:1 men. So the more Russians that die, the more pressure Putin is going to be under. 
By now even the dumb Russians have worked out that the number of deaths that Putin has quoted is inaccurate.
No one knows the exact number on either side, but I am more likely to trust the average of Wesern media, than Putins Tabloids

The estimated number of casualties in the Russia-Ukraine war is substantial, with varying figures reported by different sources. According to U.S. officials, the total number of Ukrainian and Russian troops killed or wounded since the war began is nearing 500,000, with Russia's military casualties approaching 300,000, including as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injured troops. The Ukrainian figures are estimated to be close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded1

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) has estimated the number of civilian deaths in Ukraine at over 9.6 thousand since the start of the war3. Additionally, the United Nations Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine stated that at least 10,000 civilians, including more than 560 children, have been killed and over 18,500 have been injured since the war began4

The exact number of casualties in the Russia-Ukraine war is difficult to determine with precision due to challenges in verification and varying reporting methodologies.
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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
18 Feb 2024, 01:46
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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
18 Feb 2024, 01:47
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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
18 Feb 2024, 01:47
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2024, 10:15
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18 Feb 2024, 10:15#8

 SB

I am sure you have BS propaganda info available in the USA media at your disposal.    The Biden Administration supported by the Senate wants $60 billion in aid for Ukraine  and the House is not in support of that - the Speaker has not even tabled the bill for discussion in the House.  But lets deal with the proposed bill in some detail.   

Aid to Ukraine   -   $60 billion

 The $60 billion is for armaments $10,7 billion - the rest is funding to cover the full budget of the Ukraine Government.     The armaments will be purchased in the USA - the rest is an aid grant made available to the Ukraine Government to disperse.   Thee was a storm in Congress about he fact that expenditure of the US Army is not audited and nobody knows how the money is spent .    But the problem is that Ukraine remains the most corrupt country in Europe.  There has been proiven cases that Ukraine use US Aid Grant for kicbkacks to US ooliticians and nobody knows how the cash provided is being spent.   There is NO auditing of nay amounts paid over to Ukraine so nobody knows how much of he money is used for the purposes allowed for in the Budget of that petty dictatorship.   In any event the chances that the House will approve he $60 billion asd requested is zero - they may approve the armaments part - but also subject to audit of he Defense Force expenditure as a whole being audited as well.  

To try and promote  the approval of the aid to Ukraine - the CIA and others came  up  a new threat to the us a by Russia - namely hat Russia has  the means to destroy the USA satellite system - which  will impact of warning the US A  as to warning of the Homeland of attacking Russian missile systems and impact negatively on USA defensive system.   How that would be prevented by aid to Ukraine nobody bar the CIA would know.   In other words it is part of B S spreading.

Aid to Israel  -   $16 Billion   -    Aid to Hamas   $9 Billion 

The aid to Israel is strongly supported  by the House  - the aid to Gaza and the Palestinian west bank area is called humanitarian aid.   Aid to those two means dcirec aidx to Hamas and H Hezbollah  - as proven in the past iro Gaza aid will not be supported by the House.  Similar aid to Gazza was if delivered a food, medicine and other projects - Hamas confiscated the aid in the past and  controlled distribution as income means or to keep them in control of Gaza whie aid to the West Bank ends up similarly.    The USA  politicians know that and also know th reasons fo the $9 billion aid.    The Muslims in the USA are rioting and  US A Muslims have threatened the Demcorats that if any grants to  Israel is approved they would continue riots in the USA and threaten Jewish USA citizens  with deadly attacks on them. - a well as not voting for the Demcoratic Party in the November election - so the Democrats wants to buy Muslim support for the upcoming election.    Chances of approval of the $9 billion humanitarian aid package is  zero minus.

Aid to Taiwan    $4,7  Billion

This is a sham as well - if Taiwan get a cent in USA armaments it will b a miracle.   The Taiwanese Government ordered  $19 billion in military equipment and paid for it.   But DBiden must approve delivery of the arms to Taiwan and that has been approved yet.   Reason - the approval of President Xi was to be obtained for that and thus far Hunter Biden made no progress with negotiation of that one and ahs not given Biden permission for it.

The problem is that voters in the USA regard China as the biggest threat to the USA  in the present world and strongly support aid to Taiwan as a counter - the Biden WH cannot approve the aid at all without permission of President Xi  - who has the prove of USA corruption involving China.   So what is the $4,7 billion for?   Apparently the USA have signed agreements to keep Chinese influence at bay with a string of  countries on the Pacific Rim and Pacific islands countries.   The USA did not pay the promised aid to the recipients since Biden took over the presidency and the Republicans became aware of the problem.    So with the election in mind and Chinese permission not be required as to those payments  not including weaponry provision is not included the money is now to be paid  and hence the $4,7 billion - of which Taiwan will se near to nothing.

Only change is possible  with the permission of President Xi an Hunter has not finalized the  issue with the Chinese yet.    The republicans in the House will not interfere in the $4,7 billion scam and will likely increase total increase in Taiwan aid to $16 billion (equal the amount they would approve for Israel) with Biden being forced to sign the approval of export of the weaponry to Taiwan ordered two years ago with or without President Xi's approval. 

Biden and the Democrats - plus a n umber of  Republicans in the Senate - will get no more than $50 billion. approval - the bulk of which will go to Israel and Taiwan,    

See what happens when you have a dementia sufferer as President - everything goes to shit and worse.       

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Feb 2024, 12:13
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18 Feb 2024, 12:13#9

That's not funny...people dieing is horrible...Russians,  Ukrainians...doesn't matter.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2024, 13:11
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18 Feb 2024, 13:11#10

SB

Your saualty figures are based on Ukraine and U S  propaganda and is countered by facts as well.   Lets name a few  of those not coming  out of the propaganda assault on the truth:-

*     St Zelenskyy is claiming they are no going men  in the age 17 to 20 to be called up for compulsory service in the army.    Weird - but why are people hiding their sons from up to 16 years from even foreign humanitarian bodies and especially the boys preventing  their abduction by th army and force into service.   from take.   That has happened to children before .and the children died whe given guns and sent into the front line where they died quickly. 

*      Times magazine claims the average age of  present  Ukraine army is 43 years and that wa confirmed by phto's of surendering soldiers using the Volga code to get to the Russians are ov er 40 years of age - their photos oved that as factual.proof.

*      There are over 10 million people who fled from Ukraine and si now in EU countries - among them are probably over 1,5 million men in the age group 14 to 50.    The refugees are now been told to return to Ukraine for the men and boys to be drafted in to the army - they flatly refuse to return - so St Zelenskyy has instructed  the EU Governments to to arrest them and send them by force  back to Ukraine.   That is against the protocols o the EU iro refugees and the petty dictator in Kiev has no chance to get them back.

The Ukraine has now got approximately 22 million people left in Ukraine itself and a whole generation of young man has ben wiped out by the war in Ukraine and the end is now near.  The House members will perhaps be bribed to provide aid to Ukraine - but it is an election year and the bribes  will have to be very high - since anybody voting with the Democrats  will be primaried and two Democrat Senators have already indicated that they would not stand for e-election - those being Manchin and Romney.    The rest are in trouble as well.- especially in Georgia, Montana and Ohio - who claimed they do not support aspects like  the open Border policy of Biden - but voted 100% for Biden and Schumer proposals in that regard.   

The sooner peace talks start - the sooner the nightmare in Ukraine will end - but tell that to the  USA Government and their subordinates they put in charge in Kiev.       .           .                 .   

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
18 Feb 2024, 15:14
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18 Feb 2024, 15:14#11

DumbMike, do you realise that the call-up age in Ukraine is 27? 
They are thinking of reducing it to 25. 

So most Ukrainians in the war are middle-aged .

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
18 Feb 2024, 15:16
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18 Feb 2024, 15:16#12
@Draad, to the Russians who do not want war with Ukraine, I do sympathize.Those who support the war and the attack of civilians' schools and hospitals are no loss to the world.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2024, 18:35
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18 Feb 2024, 18:35#13

SB

That 27 years of age story is BS .   St Zelenskyy recently announced that they are now going to call up people in the age group 17 to 21 - if he did know it was in act 27 years  age - why did he say 17 to 21 years of age in future.  The reason why parents try to hide their children is to prevent the Government from grabbing  them in the street - thrust them into uniforms and give them guns and send them to the front where their life expectancy is 4 hours.

Why do you think there are 10 million Ukrainians as refugees in the EU countries and even Belarus.    Easy they try to protect their children from being used by the Zelenskyy Government as cannon fodder.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Feb 2024, 19:17
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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
18 Feb 2024, 23:55
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18 Feb 2024, 23:55#16

Sources DumbMike, sources...
You can live in your own reality, but if you want to participate in humanity you need to explain how you reached your conclusion.

Otherwise, what separates you from say a cow that has its own reality without apparent reason

https://visitukraine.today/blog/2715/ukraine-wants-to-remove-age-limits-for-conscription-into-the-army-what-is-known-and-what-fakes-are-already-sowing-russians

The call-up age in Ukraine has been proposed to be lowered from 27 to 25 years. The purpose of this decision is to lower the age limit for citizens on the military register. According to the draft law, men aged 25 to 60 can be called up for military service, unless they have legal grounds for deferment or exclusion from the register 1 This proposal comes in the context of the ongoing conflict with Russia, with the Ukrainian military seeking to mobilize between 450,000 and 500,000 more soldiers 2 

The draft law is still under consideration and has not been formally approved at the time of the available information.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
19 Feb 2024, 00:27
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19 Feb 2024, 00:27#17
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Feb 2024, 01:01
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19 Feb 2024, 01:01#18

Sources DumbMike, sources...
You can live in your own reality, but if you want to participate in humanity you need to explain how you reached your conclusion.

Don't hold your breath.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Feb 2024, 05:03
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20 Feb 2024, 05:03#20

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Feb 2024, 05:04
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20 Feb 2024, 05:04#21

Soon there'll be nothing left.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Feb 2024, 05:17
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20 Feb 2024, 05:17#22

Putin is in his 70s...what happens if he dies?...massive vacuum in leadership...Russia is fooked.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Feb 2024, 06:48
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20 Feb 2024, 06:48#23
Everyone is Fooked the way the world is carrying on….I have not seen any Presidents or general politicians, that are honest and actually doing there Job Properly….being there for the people and not making it all about a power trip…at the moment there is no new candidates that can actually stand up and make a change….instead the world is run by a bunch of old senile War Monger Farts.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Feb 2024, 07:05
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20 Feb 2024, 07:05#24
Putin will get his way. We said this on here ages ago. Priority #1 should have been negotiations. But the Ukraine-supporting virtue signallers were all about "Ukraine to the last man!" The problem is...after the last man you now have less men and a far weaker position from which to negotiate. Eisenhower was right in his final warning. The MIC have risen, and the consequences have been disastrous. Humans are just meat sacks to these people.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Feb 2024, 07:36
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20 Feb 2024, 07:36#25
Not one suppoter of Ukraines right to self defense has ever spoken about fighting to the last Ukrainian. 
That's the refrain of the disingenuous Russian appeasers. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Feb 2024, 09:25
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20 Feb 2024, 09:25#26

It's a figure of speech, you silly man.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Feb 2024, 10:01
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20 Feb 2024, 10:01#27

My word I think I have heard it all from the braind dead sharktwit and then he tops it.

The idea that 27 is the call up age is absurd. Bwaahhahahahahahahahahahha as if the Zelensky Regime respects any laws. The facts on the ground are very different,

Ukraine as Mike ably pointed out is desperate for men. They are now calling up women as well.

Russian deaths are around 50,000. Their population is around 150,000,0000. Ukraine population is between 18 and 22 million. They have lost upwards of 500,000 men. And many mor severely injured.

This is not surprising give Russia has total air superiority and a10 to 1 artillery advantage and as much ammunition/armaments as they need.

Mozzietard refuses to recognise wo basic facts. First the Russians came in withdrew small expeditionary force and withdrew because of the peace talks.

THE AFU are withdrawing because they are losing on the battlefield. There are advances all along the frontline.

The cost in deaths, injuries, destruction are ALL the fault of these Globalist power hungry fools who instigated the war and kept poking the bear. 


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Feb 2024, 10:02
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20 Feb 2024, 10:02#28

Its also a Russian propaganda narrative.

But LOL, following up one disingenuous statement with another.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Feb 2024, 10:15
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Feb 2024, 10:15
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