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Ukranian impeachment hoax crashes and BURNS!!!!

Started by Beeno115 REPLIES534 VIEWS· 21 Nov 2019, 10:38
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2019, 10:38
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21 Nov 2019, 10:38#1

Watch clips where Ambassador Sondland end the hoax!  




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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Nov 2019, 10:59
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21 Nov 2019, 10:59#2

Beeno

Don't be too happy about this.

The obviousness of the farce should frighten you.

The worse the Democrats emerge and the bigger Trumps winning margin is in 2020, the more concerned I will be about what the next four years will hold.

Why do you think Talib and AOC were brought in?

In early 2021 the US populace will be primed for a new round of manufactured consent.

When CNN turn on the Dems, I'm building a bomb shelter.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2019, 11:33
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21 Nov 2019, 11:33#3

The worse the Democrats emerge and the bigger Trumps winning margin is in 2020, the more concerned I will be about what the next four years will hold.

Why do you think Talib and AOC were brought in?

Sorry Plum not followi ng you.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Nov 2019, 13:51
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21 Nov 2019, 13:51#4

Beeno

What has the sum total of Talib and AOC's involvement really been? Little more than irritation and embarrassment. They're the far left crazies, right? 

The Dems backed AOC and her greeN neW deaL just long enough for her to make a complete fool of herself. 

Talib hasn't done much better. They're both severely disliked by the majority of the population in the states.

My view is that they're there as props in the "How Evil Are The Democrats?" show. 

I don't think there was ever meant to be anything found about Russia, obstruction or this impeachment. 

It's just good cop bad cop. And both parties agree that they'll be the bad guy when necessary.

I believe that this cycle repeats itself through the manipulation of an evolutionary principle known as an ESS(Evolutionary Stable Strategy). In short, a good bluffer benefits in a society of fighters since bluff decisions still offer the possibility of a win, but both parties avoid the death potentiality. Shout to win instead of fight to possibly die. Once the society is comprised predominantly of bluffers, being a fighter is again of benefit. A back and forth.  

These types of patterns exist everywhere and it's my belief that our brain cycles are not immune to them. As a population, we can shift, or be persuaded between mindsets of consolidation and war respectively. 

It's obviously more subtle because we don't actually have to pick up a gun. All they need is our consent. They just need us to be really pissed off by AOC or Talib. They only need us to understand how evil the Dems are. The more of us they can shift onto one side, the louder our consent will be when it comes.

My view, partly because this stuff is so farcical, is that this entire game is about manufacturing consent.  

Hence, the sillier the Dems look, the more worried i become.  

 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
21 Nov 2019, 13:52
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21 Nov 2019, 13:52#5

#I'm not actually building a bomb shelter. 

Jus t saying,

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
21 Nov 2019, 18:26
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21 Nov 2019, 18:26#6

LMAO!


I think anyone with a smidgen of intelligence knows who is crashing and burning.


David Holmes and Fiona Hill, take a bow.


At one point my wife asked me if the guy asking the questions was a Republican or a Democrat (It was Daniel Goldman) so I said if he's asking questions pertinent to the case he's a Democrat. If he's snivelling and cry ing about the process, trying to discredit everyone or whining about all the naughty things the Democrats have done over the years, he's a Republican.


I think the score is Adam Schiff 12 Devin Nunes 0. 


Lock him up!

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AJHPro3,183 posts
21 Nov 2019, 18:52
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21 Nov 2019, 18:52#7

Yep COMMIE is back again spewing the same old story.

First his count is wrong, second Slime- ball Shifty is a lost cause for the Demos and finally the TV channel he is watching can only be CNN.

Shit and the prick is married hope he has no offspring.

One Commie is more than enough.

FOUR MORE YEARS.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2019, 19:02
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21 Nov 2019, 19:02#8

This whole thing is playing out like a poor scripted B-rate movie...and by Rooi's deductions it is clear why the world is going bonkers...deluded to the extreme or trolling like a boss.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Nov 2019, 07:50
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22 Nov 2019, 07:50#9

Trump had the guts to give the Ukraine javelin missiles....a hard stare down for Russia,


Look this Impeachment hearing was so favorable to Trump, the White House has asked the Republicans in the Senate to holdthe trial....not to dismiss it out of hand. That way the Republicans can call witnesses....and that should be a lot of fun.


A massive 3 days for Donald...I want Ukraine to  do the right thing....Trump.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Nov 2019, 09:00
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22 Nov 2019, 09:00#10

Mozart

What did Obama do to the FBI, the CIA, the State Department and the Justice Department?   Seems to be he captured the management of those four Departments and higher level appointees to ensure that nothing happened to deal with corruption and illegal activities by the Administration in the same way as Zuma did in SA.

The infiltrated bodies now provide the main "evidence" in the impeachment hearings in giving evidence mainly consisting of hearsay and some like Hill lied openly in making statements.  The other develop the hearing ability of wolves - they "hear" what a person said on a cell phone and then claim what was said in detail.

In a recent speech Barr referred to sabotaging of the Trump administration through the RESISTANCE obviously planned by the DP and their adherents/plants  in the Administration.  The fact is that the plants used the media to the full to undermine the administration.   Barr gave a long list of means used by the DP  and their adherents as part of  resistance against the Administration. 

To me it seems that the REGISTANCE in some respects boils down to high treason, especially in the institutions mentioned.    The report by he IG on the actions of the FBI and Justice Department officials will lay the basis for further action by Durham to charge a lot of them with criminality and one wonders whether some of the DP leadership would not be in the same boat together with the officials being charged.

Another issue that is of vital importance to my mind is to clear the air about bribery and corruption in the Obama administration - there are way too much information and written proof around involving many occurrences like -

*  like the Uranium 1 issue and the $142 million paid to the Clinton Foundation;

*   the Biden story with loads of info; 

*   the $1,5 billion Chinese investment issue (also involving the Bidens), 

*    the activities of Podesta in both Ukraine and Russia and the activities of Pelosi in both countries too - by the simple usage of their children to undertake the illegalities.

*    The relationship between the Russian Arms manufacturer in Ukraine and Schiff and the financial benefits Schiff gets  out of the relationship.,  

To my mind the way the USA and SA handles such situations is different - in SA we have the Zondo Commission of enquiry, in the USA matters are dealt with by a Special Council.  Why do Barr - who assigned Durham to deal with the 2016 election issue - not appoint a Special Council to deal with the often proven and well-documented allegations of bribery and corruption in the whole period of 2008 to 2017 - or is he afraid to do so because of the impact it could have on future administrations?  

There is obviously even a political angle to the situation - once bribed a politician or official stay bribed and fact is there is a leaked e-mail from Clinton in which she said she had direct  access to Putins' inner sanctum.   That in fact is even worse as a case of High Treason.  How many other cases are there as well?   It is clear that part of the major problems encountered by DP run cities in the USA possibly stem directly from potential bribery and corruption as well.      

One should think there is enough allegations to be thoroughly investigated - not only to get at real wrongdoing - but also to clear the name of innocent people accused of wrongdoing.   The  really strange issue is - even though the allegations are made publicly throughout the USA the politico's involved are not prepared to take the people making the allegations to Court claiming damages from them - WHY?                      

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Nov 2019, 10:24
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22 Nov 2019, 10:24#11

 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Nov 2019, 11:32
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22 Nov 2019, 11:32#12

When the Republicans actually want it to go the Senate.

That's when you know the thing has not just failed but truly backfired.

Will be funny watching Biden's son squirm when called him as a witness. Hunter becomes the hunted.

Talk about shortsightedness.

Are they gonna manage to keep the whistleblower's identity secret? There'll likely be a victimhood angle from the Dems. We'll hear how "This case creates a dangerous precedent and  clears the road for corrupt politicians to intimidate whistleblowers. It flies in the face of freedom and embodies the fascist nature of everything Orange Man." 

When that does happen, try to keep Ed Snowden in the back of your mind. The guy that exposed the US for not only violating US citizens' rights but indeed those of every internet-connected person in the world. As the man himself said, it was a human rights violation on an unimaginable scale, and how was he supposed to change the status-quo through the regular chain of command. He had to do what he did and how he did it. 

Here is fifteen-minute clip from a larger interview where he explains how/why he got the whistle. Surprise surprise, Chaney was ball-deep into its conception. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU-C0ImoIZc

The result - no pardon, no re-course to an actual fair trial. And he has to live in Moscow. Oh well, at least the hooker prices are good bang for one's buck

Yet this tit of a whistleblower, clearly involved in a political scheme to oust the nation's president... he has the right of anonymity too?

Give me a break!

The poll numbers may look very different come January. 

The Dems should have held off with this until February/April 2020.

What terrible timing. Worse because of Barr's investigation of the investigators - What's the definition of treason again?

Perhaps they were trying to pre-empt what they knew would be exposed by Barr. A hail Mary.

Well , this does fit the bill, since it's just as hopeless as what the majority of hail Marys usually are. 

Looks they'll be on the defensive for the first half of next year. 

And Trump will ride that wave until the moon goes home.

This puts CNN and most of its late-night pals on a sticky wicket too.

Looks like they'll have to make an example of the Biden's. All the while bleeding ratings.

Best TV i've seen in ages.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Nov 2019, 17:06
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22 Nov 2019, 17:06#13

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Nov 2019, 17:06
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22 Nov 2019, 17:06#14

 Oops!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Nov 2019, 18:03
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22 Nov 2019, 18:03#15

The Joke is that many people are saying Ciaraella is the Whistle bower but nobody says anything - I guess saying something would give the green light to Ciaraella being bumped off.

It can be because he has any protection under the law because he doesn't. 

Regardless if this goes to the Senate then Schiff could end up being hind for sedition. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Nov 2019, 13:17
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23 Nov 2019, 13:17#16

Beeno

I did a bit of research on Eric Ciaraella .   Among others there is a story about him being the bag man that carried the $1 billion in cash to Ukraine and that afterwards $132 million was taken back to the USA in the form of a loan to the company run by Hunter Biden.

In other words Ukrainian aid was linked to a personal enrichment scheme of the Bidens. Kerry, Clinton, Pelosi and Schiff  and a few other senior Democrats.   His life will be endangered because Comey and Brennan and other CIA and FBI officials were in on the deal.   The scam was behind the whistleblower story too - but it is too dangerous for the DP to call Ciaraella to give evidence, because that could lead to him being questioned about how the $1 billion assistance was disbursed and who benefitted from it. 

It was also alleged that in the Obama era Ukraine got $1,8 billion in aid from the US Government and that nobody knows how that money was used.   It ended up in a situation where the Ukraine people did not benefit from the assistance - so where did the money go to?

Was it a money laundering scheme used by the corrupt in the Obama Administration to get money out of the USA and is then returned in the form of "loans" to the politico's and their families?

A full investigation needs to be undertaken to expose what really happened to the $1,8 billion in foreign aid granted by the US Government  to Ukraine.  What was the money used for and to whom was payments made and when.

I won't be surprised at all that Giulani and Trump knows exactly what happened to the money and will use the Senate Impeachment Hearing to pry open the situation.   If  Ciaraella is questioned there may be some real fireworks and one of the names that will be plastered all over the show will be Boris Pasternak who is the owner of an armaments company in the Ukraine and a major funder of Schiff,   

It looks increasingly to me that Obama and Zuma was singing from the same hymn book when it comes to corruption and bribery,                                                            

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